The Hawks were losing late in the 4th to the red hot Rockets on the road, and Hardaway Jr. channeled his inner Jordan (or even his dad) and scored 23 of his career high 33 points in the 4th single-handedly leading the Hawks to the victory and stunning the crowd on national television. His performance was nothing short of majestic. We traded him for Jerian Grant, whom we traded for Rose, who will not be on our team after this year. He's having a good year as a starter with the Hawks. He may have been the SG of the future we need. Phil maybe done messed up with this trade.
Strangely, even the Hawks were trying to trade him for second rounders this year, only months ago.
Most NBA teams have no patience. There should be a rule that once a NBA rookie plays a minute on your team during their rookie season, you can't trade them during their rookie contract.
martin wrote:Strangely, even the Hawks were trying to trade him for second rounders this year, only months ago.
Hardaway could score... he just can't do anything else. That's his problem. He's growing in other areas. He averaged 11pts per game in 2 seasons with the knicks... he's averaging 11pts now. Just saying
He's finally learned how to aye defense. He now understands rotations and help side defense
He's improved from AWFUL to INADEQUATE
Knicks always not treasure their rookies. I hope they do good for KP this time.
Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.
When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
He was a 5th year senior coming off a huge ncaa tourney.... he was a beast. He came to the nba scared as fuck. He's still playing that way in Chicago
Remember, folks- only the good games count when talking about traded Knicks!
he's a shooting guard who shoots 34% from 3 and 43% overall. That is not impressive. At the time everyone said we could only get a 2nd rounder for him. We got a first. He then stunk it up the first year with the Hawks (after stinking it up with us the previous season). But because he had a good game against the Rockets then we shouldn't have traded him. Right!
I never liked his game and he would have been an awful fit with Melo and Rose.
WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
Thank you. That is how trades should be evaluated. Based on what was known at the time and projected. His defense was abysmal and his scoring mediocre.
Crawford. Zach Randolph. Frye. Felton.
We've wanted to get rid of them at some point, and yet they have talent and they are performing.
I'm not saying it was a mistake to trade Hardaway Jr.
But, at some point you keep the players you have because, warts on your player are no different than the warts on another player.
Would Hardaway Jr be THAT MUCH worse for us right now as a SG than Courtney Lee is? Yes, Hardway Jr.'s stats would probably be less impressive on this team this year than what he has on Atlanta - and I just looked, they're pretty comparable to what Lee is doing.
But at some point, you keep your guys - especially rookies because they are cheaper and you can invest in teaching them organizational/system stuff like the Triange if that is what you want to do.
I do agree, though, at some point Phil owns some accountability on his moves not moving this franchise forward.
WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
+1
THJ's 2nd year was his big audition. We had a team stripped of talent and he never impressed. He lost out to Galloway, and later Shved.
I still think we got good value for him at the time, despite the regression. Wish him well in Atlanta though - thought for a while he might not make it in the league.
We definitely got good value for him. We got 1st round pick for him for heavens sake.
MaTT4281 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
+1
THJ's 2nd year was his big audition. We had a team stripped of talent and he never impressed. He lost out to Galloway, and later Shved.
I still think we got good value for him at the time, despite the regression. Wish him well in Atlanta though - thought for a while he might not make it in the league.
How could the second year of a player be a "big audition"?..He is arguably better than anyone on our bench and still making 2.3 mil per...
smackeddog wrote:Remember, folks- only the good games count when talking about traded Knicks!he's a shooting guard who shoots 34% from 3 and 43% overall. That is not impressive. At the time everyone said we could only get a 2nd rounder for him. We got a first. He then stunk it up the first year with the Hawks (after stinking it up with us the previous season). But because he had a good game against the Rockets then we shouldn't have traded him. Right!
I never liked his game and he would have been an awful fit with Melo and Rose.
About half his shots are 3s. So his FG% is a little misleading. He's at 35% from 3 and 53% from 2 point range. Melo in comparison is at 36% and 47% and KP is 38% and 49%. If you look at true shooting percentage, he's slightly ahead of Melo and slightly behind KP. He's not that versatile but he's a good bargainn at just $2 mil.
holfresh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
+1
THJ's 2nd year was his big audition. We had a team stripped of talent and he never impressed. He lost out to Galloway, and later Shved.
I still think we got good value for him at the time, despite the regression. Wish him well in Atlanta though - thought for a while he might not make it in the league.
How could the second year of a player be a "big audition"?..He is arguably better than anyone on our bench and still making 2.3 mil per...
He started off the year with very little competition for playing time, something most second year players don't have the luxury of. He didn't perform and eventually lost his minutes to guys on 10 day contracts like Galloway and Ledo. Semantics if you want to fight over it, but that kind of opportunity I consider an audition, especially with how shitty the team was that year. Shots were there for him.
THJ is a throwback player. He does one thing, which really isn't en vogue anymore. But I mean if you're going to be a SG, and are only going to do one thing well, you'd probably want it to be shooting the ball. We'll see how it pans out but I do think it's smarter to have your five guys be able to do a lot of things individually in today's NBA
MaTT4281 wrote:holfresh wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough...his 3pt shooting has been below average this year- under 35%.When he's played us I've noticed that he seems better cutting to the basket, and it not always camped out on the 3pt line.
He's played better than at the beginning of the year, but he hasn't had a "special" year so far, IMO.
Have to remember that Grant was highly touted...some calling him a lottery talent at certain times.
Not sure why he has not panned out. I was not that familiar with him, other than a few clips or moments in a college game, but many saw Grant as the pickup which made the KP pick acceptable, if I remember correctly.
I just don't see the trade to get Grant as being a terrible one, given what we knew at the time.
+1
THJ's 2nd year was his big audition. We had a team stripped of talent and he never impressed. He lost out to Galloway, and later Shved.
I still think we got good value for him at the time, despite the regression. Wish him well in Atlanta though - thought for a while he might not make it in the league.
How could the second year of a player be a "big audition"?..He is arguably better than anyone on our bench and still making 2.3 mil per...
He started off the year with very little competition for playing time, something most second year players don't have the luxury of. He didn't perform and eventually lost his minutes to guys on 10 day contracts like Galloway and Ledo. Semantics if you want to fight over it, but that kind of opportunity I consider an audition, especially with how shitty the team was that year. Shots were there for him.
He started off the year behind JR and Shump...
SupremeCommander wrote:THJ is a throwback player. He does one thing, which really isn't en vogue anymore. But I mean if you're going to be a SG, and are only going to do one thing well, you'd probably want it to be shooting the ball. We'll see how it pans out but I do think it's smarter to have your five guys be able to do a lot of things individually in today's NBA
Everyone one don't have to be an all star to be on your team..We are very happy now with one dimensional players on the bench now aren't we...
gotta love the revisionist history in this thread. thjr didn't play well here, so phil flipped him for a 1st rounder, which was a great get. as of less than a month ago, the hawks were trying to trade thjr for 2nd round picks. he had a good game, good for him.
nyk4ever wrote:gotta love the revisionist history in this thread. thjr didn't play well here, so phil flipped him for a 1st rounder, which was a great guy. as of less than a month ago, the hawks were trying to trade thjr for 2nd round picks. he had a good game, good for him.
There is no revisionist history...Different folks have different opinions..No one here speaks of one mind...
