What a crappy way to handle things. Phil continues to disappoint. I heard on the Fan this morning that Al Ianzzone and some other reporters walked by Phil at the Garden the other day and stopped to ask him a question. Phil responded by saying, "Why are you stopping." How do you do this if you are trying to trade him? Phil owes Melo an apology for all of his missteps while he has been trying to learn how to run a team.
This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
holfresh wrote:smackeddog wrote:holfresh wrote:LivingLegend wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691601-phil-jackson-knicks-stymied-by-wanting-carmelo-to-be-something-he-is-notEven more fascinating? Jackson’s public response:
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Bleacher's Ding almost rings the bell, but I learned you don't change the spot on a leopard with Michael Graham in my CBA daze.
1:22 PM - 7 Feb 2017
Wow..Jackson has nothing to say publicly about the team but takes a show at Melo in a tweet..He wants to get fired and pocket the 24 mil left on his deal...Not surprising...
More likely he's trying to get melo to agree to a trade- good tactic if it works, but a big gamble. let's see what happens
Phil is hurting the franchise with this..This only confirms what people think of New York..It's juvenile..
One Tweet stating what every writer, commentator and fan has been saying his whole nba career... and you interpret it to Phil being to get fired so he can cash in? Calling a 70 year old man Juvenile? Give me a break fam.
We're losing because Melo refuses to change period. He's better suited to be a hired gun at this point. Phil gave him his money and a no trade clause because he genuinely wants to be here.... he's proven now that he doesn't want to win. He wants to hold the ball and shoot. He doesn't want to play a team game. That's why Phil is forcing the triangle. He wants Melo to realize that he had to pass the ball to win. He refused to adapt. He breaks plays left and right and holds the ball 5-7 seconds almost every time.
Bottom line I'm not going to be a sucker and attack Dolan, Phil, Steve Mills, Hornacek and Rambis. Fire all those guys and Whoever replaces them will have to figure out who they can trade to make the team win around Melo. Enough.... it's time to kill that noise.
knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
Now that's funny.
But if he is trying to sell a car that everyone know something is wrong with it, the key scratches don't make a difference
knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
In general yes. When trying to trade a player, you don't want to piss him off or piss off the situation so that you look desperate. This is a little more unique. The car in this instance doesn't want to be sold. The owner wants to sell it, but the car doesn't want to. It may be the only way Phil is going to get Melo to step up and say "I'm done, I want out".
Melo's doing things in a way where he has the team by the balls a bit. He neither allows them to really rebuild and take a longterm approach, nor does he help them be competitive enough to be a playoff team every year. So the Knicks are stuck. Phil has to get Melo to accept he needs to move on. I don't know for certain if Melo is really realistic about a trade. Ok,Melo we will trade you. Where? Clippers with my friend Paul. Or Cavs with my friend LBJ. Ok, so Phil goes to them and asks them what he can get. Nothing much. Cavs won't give up Love. Clippers won't give up Blake. So Melo's value is already crap. Any deal Phil makes now would be the same deal he could have made a week ago. Or two weeks ago. Or before the pot shots began.
There could be a couple things here. Phil is trying to break Melo into going to more than just Cle/LAC. Now it comes to a few more teams, a few more cities. More chances at landing talent. Phil is being an A$$HOLE and trying to get his way as well.
Ofcourse he should have never given Melo the NTC to begin with. Big mistake. However I don't think Melo stays with NY unlesss that NTC is in place. It gives Melo that job security he has no where else. It's why he stayed. Now would anyone have been happy had Phil just let Melo an all-star at the time walk for nothing? Isn't it better we will wind up getting some trade assets (little as they are now) vs getting nothing at all?
EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
Now that's funny.
But if he is trying to sell a car that everyone know something is wrong with it, the key scratches don't make a difference
True but scratches further drive down value. This is poor management regardless of how anybody feels about Melo. Continuing to drive down value and trade from a position of weakness is foolish.
So much for "change the culture." The optics of this look very poor for the future regardless of outcome.
I said this last season after Phil drafted KP, Grant, and Willy and then refused to trade away a future draft pick in deadline deals (such as for a PG like Teague). Years from now people will appreciate the job Phil did in this tenure. Right now it looks like chaos. It looks bad. But only if you judge the situation based on present value. The short term moves he's made suck. Longterm? The Knicks will reap the benefits of the team not spending max dollars on stars who can not carry a team to anywhere good and the investment in draft picks.
nyknickzingis wrote:I said this last season after Phil drafted KP, Grant, and Willy and then refused to trade away a future draft pick in deadline deals (such as for a PG like Teague). Years from now people will appreciate the job Phil did in this tenure. Right now it looks like chaos. It looks bad. But only if you judge the situation based on present value. The short term moves he's made suck. Longterm? The Knicks will reap the benefits of the team not spending max dollars on stars who can not carry a team to anywhere good and the investment in draft picks.
Keeping the picks has been the saving grace. I respect that. It's the only way out of this mess.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
Now that's funny.
But if he is trying to sell a car that everyone know something is wrong with it, the key scratches don't make a difference
True but scratches further drive down value. This is poor management regardless of how anybody feels about Melo. Continuing to drive down value and trade from a position of weakness is foolish.
So much for "change the culture." The optics of this look very poor for the future regardless of outcome.
Its not poor management. Everyone knows what Melo is. You can't drive down his value. Only person that's going to lose is Melo. Melo might find himself coming off the bench or treated like Marbury. Regardless, we are rebuilding. Winning this year was on him. The future is bright no matter what happens with him
EnySpree wrote:holfresh wrote:smackeddog wrote:holfresh wrote:LivingLegend wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691601-phil-jackson-knicks-stymied-by-wanting-carmelo-to-be-something-he-is-notEven more fascinating? Jackson’s public response:
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Phil Jackson ✔ @PhilJackson11
Bleacher's Ding almost rings the bell, but I learned you don't change the spot on a leopard with Michael Graham in my CBA daze.
1:22 PM - 7 Feb 2017
Wow..Jackson has nothing to say publicly about the team but takes a show at Melo in a tweet..He wants to get fired and pocket the 24 mil left on his deal...Not surprising...
More likely he's trying to get melo to agree to a trade- good tactic if it works, but a big gamble. let's see what happens
Phil is hurting the franchise with this..This only confirms what people think of New York..It's juvenile..
One Tweet stating what every writer, commentator and fan has been saying his whole nba career... and you interpret it to Phil being to get fired so he can cash in? Calling a 70 year old man Juvenile? Give me a break fam.
We're losing because Melo refuses to change period. He's better suited to be a hired gun at this point. Phil gave him his money and a no trade clause because he genuinely wants to be here.... he's proven now that he doesn't want to win. He wants to hold the ball and shoot. He doesn't want to play a team game. That's why Phil is forcing the triangle. He wants Melo to realize that he had to pass the ball to win. He refused to adapt. He breaks plays left and right and holds the ball 5-7 seconds almost every time.
Bottom line I'm not going to be a sucker and attack Dolan, Phil, Steve Mills, Hornacek and Rambis. Fire all those guys and Whoever replaces them will have to figure out who they can trade to make the team win around Melo. Enough.... it's time to kill that noise.
He was a hired gun to begin with, it's just that phil wanted the gun to do more than it was brought in to do.
Post up melo, put a bunch of shooters on the perimeter make sure they play defense big time.. and you get 54 wins.
Why doesn't phil tweet about the horrible defense the entire team plays, kp leading the league in fouls, and not able to stay on the floor, or about how badly noah as lost a step, or rose inability to pass to anyone other than himself.
When you start picking on one guy when there is so many other issues, it does seem childish and juvenile, and vindictive
EnySpree wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
Now that's funny.
But if he is trying to sell a car that everyone know something is wrong with it, the key scratches don't make a difference
True but scratches further drive down value. This is poor management regardless of how anybody feels about Melo. Continuing to drive down value and trade from a position of weakness is foolish.
So much for "change the culture." The optics of this look very poor for the future regardless of outcome.
Its not poor management. Everyone knows what Melo is. You can't drive down his value. Only person that's going to lose is Melo. Melo might find himself coming off the bench or treated like Marbury. Regardless, we are rebuilding. Winning this year was on him. The future is bright no matter what happens with him
Pretty much any book or opinion on management in any field would disagree with you. Impressive pivot to Melo. The future isn't that bright when you have that kind of tone at the top. Perhaps another full house clean this offseason will help but if your purely talking about Jackson, it's petty vindictive, and poor management.
EnySpree wrote:holfresh wrote:smackeddog wrote:holfresh wrote:LivingLegend wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691601-phil-jackson-knicks-stymied-by-wanting-carmelo-to-be-something-he-is-notEven more fascinating? Jackson’s public response:
Follow
Phil Jackson ✔ @PhilJackson11
Bleacher's Ding almost rings the bell, but I learned you don't change the spot on a leopard with Michael Graham in my CBA daze.
1:22 PM - 7 Feb 2017
Wow..Jackson has nothing to say publicly about the team but takes a show at Melo in a tweet..He wants to get fired and pocket the 24 mil left on his deal...Not surprising...
More likely he's trying to get melo to agree to a trade- good tactic if it works, but a big gamble. let's see what happens
Phil is hurting the franchise with this..This only confirms what people think of New York..It's juvenile..
One Tweet stating what every writer, commentator and fan has been saying his whole nba career... and you interpret it to Phil being to get fired so he can cash in? Calling a 70 year old man Juvenile? Give me a break fam.
We're losing because Melo refuses to change period. He's better suited to be a hired gun at this point. Phil gave him his money and a no trade clause because he genuinely wants to be here.... he's proven now that he doesn't want to win. He wants to hold the ball and shoot. He doesn't want to play a team game. That's why Phil is forcing the triangle. He wants Melo to realize that he had to pass the ball to win. He refused to adapt. He breaks plays left and right and holds the ball 5-7 seconds almost every time.
Bottom line I'm not going to be a sucker and attack Dolan, Phil, Steve Mills, Hornacek and Rambis. Fire all those guys and Whoever replaces them will have to figure out who they can trade to make the team win around Melo. Enough.... it's time to kill that noise.
Phil poisoned the well when he pushed the triangle..He completely screwed the trust between the players and coaches..Doesn't matter now..This will end ugly with a new guy promising "culture change"..
I've wanted to trade Melo for years now and I was pissed when Phil gave him an NTC but I've never thought he was a bad person. Phil on the other hand, is a vain, lazy, egomaniacal asshole. He's the one who built this team, he's the one who has handed out ridiculous contracts to terrible players, and he's the one who refuses to take responsibility or answer any questions. Let's assume that Melo completely bought in and was playing as well as can be reasonably expected; how good is this team that Phil Jackson built around him? Is it on a 40-win pace? 45-win pace? Would we even be competing for the 2nd round?
For me the analogy of scratching a car you want sell is a poor one. Melo's game does not change because of articles written or tweets made, that's just silly talk. Melo is who Melo is and every player and GM knows this; dude has been in the league for 13 years.
Would Melo's trade value go UP if Phil started saying nice things? No. Rosen article comes out and it's all roses about Melo? Nada.
What I love about this: Melo becomes more frustrated, team is losing. That's a win-win for the long term of the Knicks; better draft position while trying to move Melo.
martin wrote:For me the analogy of scratching a car you want sell is a poor one. Melo's game does not change because of articles written or tweets made, that's just silly talk. Melo is who Melo is and every player and GM knows this; dude has been in the league for 13 years.Would Melo's trade value go UP if Phil started saying nice things? No. Rosen article comes out and it's all roses about Melo? Nada.
What I love about this: Melo becomes more frustrated, team is losing. That's a win-win for the long term of the Knicks; better draft position while trying to move Melo.
Agree 100%
Phil's been quiet.... he makes one tweet and everyone loses their shit. That's why he's been quiet.
I just don't see what his comment does to Melo that everyone already has been saying for 14 years. Phil gave him one last chance to try and win. Pushing the triangle is a good thing. The ping was to try and teach team basketball. All winning teams have a system. Melo doesn't want to be a winner. He wants to do his thing while everyone else does the rest. Not going to work. For 15 years everyone has been saying the Knicks need to rebuild. Through all the garbage distractions... we are rebuilding
meloshouldgo wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This so bad for business, it's like he's putting key scratches in the car he is trying to sell.
It's missing a steering wheel and the brakes don't work, but yeah let's focus on the key scratches. 
Bruh that's all I'm saying
meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:For me the analogy of scratching a car you want sell is a poor one. Melo's game does not change because of articles written or tweets made, that's just silly talk. Melo is who Melo is and every player and GM knows this; dude has been in the league for 13 years.Would Melo's trade value go UP if Phil started saying nice things? No. Rosen article comes out and it's all roses about Melo? Nada.
What I love about this: Melo becomes more frustrated, team is losing. That's a win-win for the long term of the Knicks; better draft position while trying to move Melo.
Agree 100%
It was reported that the Tweet was posted following the scrappy Knicks practice this afternoon that both Jackson and Mills attended, although Phil did not address the team. There was another report that Melo, who attended practice, was not available following the game to the media when he usually is. It was reported yesterday after the embarrassing loss to the Lakers that Melo was the first one to leave the arena.
Something is going on here.
Has Melo privately advised Phil that he has no intention on waiving his No Trade Clause, which prompted Phil's tweet. Did Phil propose a trade to Melo with a team not on his preferred list and was rebuffed thus spurring on the tweet?
This is Phil's passive aggressive way of letting Melo know that he does not want him on the team any longer--in an attempt to anger him into waiving his no trade clause prior to the deadline. Interesting to see if it actually works.
Melo is owner Dolan Golden-Egg to keep MSG sold-out and the abundance of season tickets sold
