I enjoy people whos not afraid to speak their mind (right or wrong). Working in a political environment where everybody is managing their perception, nobody tells it like it is. But leave it up to Metta World Peace. He basically repeated what I've said when I first signed on. The fans are part of the blame.
“I'm from New York. Until the fans change and support, like how they do in San Antonio, there is going to be a bunch of chaos. They need to stop blaming the players, and stop blaming the ownership, and the fans as a whole need to blame themselves." Artest
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Metta, one of the few who went to beat up fans!!!!
Hey, if someone threw a beer on me I might have done the same.
I like Chris Rocks old rant about "Blaming the media"..........
I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Absolutely its on the fans. Booing Ewing, booing Melo, and some already treating KP like he's no longer a great prospect. It's horrible.
HofstraBBall wrote:I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Max players on Losing teams are object to fans ire. Is this not true in other cities?
Down here in Georgia the fans are more passionate about football than the Hawks. The team gets a LOT more slack from the fans and Media than the Knicks. NY is just a different place and fans are more invested.
Knixkik wrote:Absolutely its on the fans. Booing Ewing, booing Melo, and some already treating KP like he's no longer a great prospect. It's horrible.
Management has also been inept before Phil.
Trading young players and draft picks.
Even the Melo trade was crap.
Traded Mos, Galli, another pick, Felton, all for a player that would have likely signed as a free agent.
Phil has been average at best, suspect at worst, but he at least has gone with a rebuild in mind. Hopefully we finally get some young long term pieces in place that we want to stick. And we stick to a style of play with one coach for 4-5 years.
nyknickzingis wrote:Knixkik wrote:Absolutely its on the fans. Booing Ewing, booing Melo, and some already treating KP like he's no longer a great prospect. It's horrible.
Management has also been inept before Phil.
Trading young players and draft picks.
Even the Melo trade was crap.
Traded Mos, Galli, another pick, Felton, all for a player that would have likely signed as a free agent.Phil has been average at best, suspect at worst, but he at least has gone with a rebuild in mind. Hopefully we finally get some young long term pieces in place that we want to stick. And we stick to a style of play with one coach for 4-5 years.
This is not true. Melo was going to BK if we didn't make the trade. The lockout was inevitable and he did not want to go into the lockout without a team or a contract. No one should blame him for that. We did not give up a ton for him. No future stars, no top picks. The guy was a star entering his prime at age 26, and in the grand scheme of things, we did not give up a lot for this level of player.
If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.
Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
blkexec wrote:I enjoy people whos not afraid to speak their mind (right or wrong). Working in a political environment where everybody is managing their perception, nobody tells it like it is. But leave it up to Metta World Peace. He basically repeated what I've said when I first signed on. The fans are part of the blame.“I'm from New York. Until the fans change and support, like how they do in San Antonio, there is going to be a bunch of chaos. They need to stop blaming the players, and stop blaming the ownership, and the fans as a whole need to blame themselves." Artest
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
He's absolutely right
I am Ranger fan. We get on the team when they do not perform in the game and they just take it as motivation.
Rangers managed to make the club to be more that about Hockey but about things that much more important that sports.
And they managed to make The Team much more that any individual player (even more that superstar in Hank they have - one of the best golies in the history of NHL). So why to boo the individual player? One player is not so important to get all worked out about.
The great team in NBA are Teams... not collection of names. And fans have a big part in making this happened in San Antonio, in Cleveland, in LA, in Oakland... We did have it in NY but we lost it as a fans. Even UK is all about Melo, KP, not the team. Time to build it back.
nyknickzingis wrote:If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
Paired with Amare, Melo was supposed to change the direction of the franchise. That was the exact perception of the deal.
Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
Paired with Amare, Melo was supposed to change the direction of the franchise. That was the exact perception of the deal.
Direction of the franchise is not defined by one or 2 players.
This is exactly why Knicks have no direction already for almost 20 years.
Scratching the lottery tickets is not team building but just gambling.
And result is always the same - need in therapist.
arkrud wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
Paired with Amare, Melo was supposed to change the direction of the franchise. That was the exact perception of the deal.
Direction of the franchise is not defined by one or 2 players.
This is exactly why Knicks have no direction already for almost 20 years.
Scratching the lottery tickets is not team building but just gambling.
And result is always the same - need in therapist.
In a star-driven league, having 2 star players in their primes was what most teams probably consider a direction, but i agree.
Knixkik wrote:arkrud wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
Paired with Amare, Melo was supposed to change the direction of the franchise. That was the exact perception of the deal.
Direction of the franchise is not defined by one or 2 players.
This is exactly why Knicks have no direction already for almost 20 years.
Scratching the lottery tickets is not team building but just gambling.
And result is always the same - need in therapist.
In a star-driven league, having 2 star players in their primes was what most teams probably consider a direction, but i agree.
I think it was multiple unfortunate examples when this strategy failed miserably and even most modern big-3 approach required very well selected support cast to make it successful. Also this strategy is only good for "final push" when team is already contending and is one peace away from the run to the title. Knick never was in this position since 70th.
The starpunching not only became failed strategy but also became most boring experience for the fans.
As a result we have fragmented fan base with some fans are just Melo fans, or KP fans, or Lin fans.
There is no more enjoyable experience to see your favorite team grow together and make strides regardless of single player fortunes.
Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Max players on Losing teams are object to fans ire. Is this not true in other cities?
Don't know. Have not lived in other cities. But you can't argue that NY is seen as a tough place to play. And if you have been to Yankee, Knicks games,the seats are filled with miserable sore losers that think it's normal to curse players out. Just low class fans that give us normal fans a bad name.
nyknickzingis wrote:If thats true about Melo it says a lot about him. We should have passed.
You don't give up young staters for players that won't change your direction as a franchise
I feel we had too many Melo will bring in CP3 or others dreams going on.
Nevermind what a bad fit Melo was for a coach like MDA.Then the Bargnani trade. Yuck.
How many times have the Knicks made the playoffs in the last 17 years?
How many with Melo?
How many times have Felton and Mosgov been traded?
How many playoffs have Chandler and Gallo been in?
Yeah keep going.
Knew you were either a Lin lover or Denver trade hater. Yawn
HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Max players on Losing teams are object to fans ire. Is this not true in other cities?
Don't know. Have not lived in other cities. But you can't argue that NY is seen as a tough place to play. And if you have been to Yankee, Knicks games,the seats are filled with miserable sore losers that think it's normal to curse players out. Just low class fans that give us normal fans a bad name.
Interesting from where "miserable sore losers" will emerge in San Antonio or LA?
You really need to have multi-decade train-wreck teams to put so many fans in this state.
arkrud wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Max players on Losing teams are object to fans ire. Is this not true in other cities?
Don't know. Have not lived in other cities. But you can't argue that NY is seen as a tough place to play. And if you have been to Yankee, Knicks games,the seats are filled with miserable sore losers that think it's normal to curse players out. Just low class fans that give us normal fans a bad name.
Interesting from where "miserable sore losers" will emerge in San Antonio or LA?
You really need to have multi-decade train-wreck teams to put so many fans in this state.
Nah. Loud mouthed wannabe sore losers are all over the 5 boroughs. I see them every day.
HofstraBBall wrote:arkrud wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:I remember going to Knick games and fans booing Ewing. Going to Met games and fans booing Piazza. Lots of NY fans want perfection and also jealous of guys getting paid that much money. In their eyes, if your going to make that kind of money you better be perfect. Funny, I once asked this guy yelling at Ewing if he ever played ball (guy was bout 350 and double fishing hot dogs) Ofcourse he said no and said but I know zero talent when I see it. Profound.
Max players on Losing teams are object to fans ire. Is this not true in other cities?
Don't know. Have not lived in other cities. But you can't argue that NY is seen as a tough place to play. And if you have been to Yankee, Knicks games,the seats are filled with miserable sore losers that think it's normal to curse players out. Just low class fans that give us normal fans a bad name.
Interesting from where "miserable sore losers" will emerge in San Antonio or LA?
You really need to have multi-decade train-wreck teams to put so many fans in this state.
Nah. Loud mouthed wannabe sore losers are all over the 5 boroughs. I see them every day.
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