Knicks · Draymond Green: Knicks owner James Dolan using 'slave master mentality'... (page 1)

This is spinning way out of control now...Draymond Green is flatly wrong about this...I can say lots of awful things about Dolan but this is way out of bounds...Dolan gives minorities a shot..Just another dumb statement without having the entire back drop of a situation or story...Dolan is more thin skinned than anything else and doesn't like Oak bad mouthing him or the Knicks..

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18692...

Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green said New York Knicks owner James Dolan operates with a "slave master mentality" by taking issue with Charles Oakley's criticisms after the organization benefited from his contributions as a player.

"You doing it for me, it's all good," Green said on his "Dray Day" podcast on Uninterrupted. "You doing it against me -- you speaking out against my organization -- it's not good anymore? That's a slave mentality. A slave master mentality. That's ridiculous.

"It was all fine and dandy when he was laying people out, taking fines and all this stuff for your organization. But now, all of a sudden, when he says something that he feels, it's a problem."

Oakley was ejected from Madison Square Garden and arrested after an altercation with arena security on Feb. 8. The Knicks say Oakley was ejected after being verbally abusive to security; Oakley, who was charged with three counts of misdemeanor assault for his physical confrontation with security, denies the Knicks' version of events.

Dolan banned Oakley indefinitely from the arena two days after the incident, but he lifted the ban earlier on Tuesday after meeting with Oakley and commissioner Adam Silver, with Michael Jordan joining by conference call.

Oakley told ESPN later Tuesday that he's still upset over Dolan's public claim that he has a drinking problem and that he wouldn't accept the Knicks' invitation to a future home game.

Green and others have criticized Dolan, who took over as owner of the Knicks after Oakley was traded from New York, for suggesting that Oakley has a drinking problem.

"That's not something that you say to the world. That's not classy at all," Green said on his podcast. "It's not OK for you to go say to the world as a multibillion-dollar organization. How can you even pin that on someone? Just throw that out there. That's grimy. I think that

But only goes to show the view of the Garden from afar..Right or wrong..

I don't think Draymond is too far off base. I definitely think that Dolan has a "slave masters mentality" but I don't think it is exclusive to any one race, religion, etc. Most of Dolan's social interactions from birth involve people who work for him, so why would anyone expect anything less?

Draymond is way off base here.
It's was an employee and employer relationship.
Dolan paid him millions of dollars and employed him, and Oakley played for his team while getting paid millions of dollars.
Dolan doesn't owe him anything.
Just because you were a hard-working, highly paid former employee, doesn't give you the right to do/say anything you want.
Why does everything have to be about slavery, race, etc?

Doesn't Draymond have too many other things to do rather than comment on the state of the Knicks.......for instance like kick players in the balls.

You knew this was coming. Anyways I'm gonna try cursing out my former boss and then have him hire me. Man Oakley is one funny dude.

lj02knicks wrote:Draymond is way off base here.
It's was an employee and employer relationship.
Dolan paid him millions of dollars and employed him, and Oakley played for his team while getting paid millions of dollars.
Dolan doesn't owe him anything.
Just because you were a hard-working, highly paid former employee, doesn't give you the right to do/say anything you want.
Why does everything have to be about slavery, race, etc?

All these guys are out of touch with reality.... with all the things going on in society, this is the fight you want to stand up for? It's really ignorant. Dolan is alot of things and everything people say about him is true. This is just ignorant. Sane with the Phil Jackson posse comment being racist. There is a bigger agenda here. All these players have something to say about our team. I dunno how get get away with it without fines. Nobodies civil rights are broken here. Mind your fucking business Draymond

foosballnick wrote:Doesn't Draymond have too many other things to do rather than comment on the state of the Knicks.......for instance like kick players in the balls.

And posting dick pics to Internet hoes on instagram.... Fuck this corny mofo

NardDogNation wrote:I don't think Draymond is too far off base. I definitely think that Dolan has a "slave masters mentality" but I don't think it is exclusive to any one race, religion, etc. Most of Dolan's social interactions from birth involve people who work for him, so why would anyone expect anything less?

It's odd how people are so hellbent on taking everything literally. To your point if he had used the word "totalitarian" instead of "slave master mentality" he wouldn't be off base - he would be completely accurate. You use the word slave master and people immediately start thinking racism is being implied. This rigid keyword driven interpretation of the language leaves me annoyed every time. People who use power as the first line of defense are by definition totalitarians - Dolan is a classic example, slave owners weren't that different. But once you use the word "slave" in a sentence it has to be about "racism" - pathetic. People have no appreciation for nuances anymore

What a kick in the nuts! But we are talking Draymond Green, he is very good at that.

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I don't think Draymond is too far off base. I definitely think that Dolan has a "slave masters mentality" but I don't think it is exclusive to any one race, religion, etc. Most of Dolan's social interactions from birth involve people who work for him, so why would anyone expect anything less?

It's odd how people are so hellbent on taking everything literally. To your point if he had used the word "totalitarian" instead of "slave master mentality" he wouldn't be off base - he would be completely accurate. You use the word slave master and people immediately start thinking racism is being implied. This rigid keyword driven interpretation of the language leaves me annoyed every time. People who use power as the first line of defense are by definition totalitarians - Dolan is a classic example, slave owners weren't that different. But once you use the word "slave" in a sentence it has to be about "racism" - pathetic. People have no appreciation for nuances anymore

Dolan is white rich ignorant owner, Oak is black big mouth rebel... taken to jail by guards.
Perfect setup for slave/muster analogy.
"totalitarian" is too much for Green, who do you think he is - liberal college professor?

I hate dolan with a passion but I don't think s what he did was racist. I think he is an equal opportunity asshole.

Marv Albert was black?

Nalod wrote:Marv Albert was black?

In his previous life and before this he was a humanoid from Alfa Centaurs...

I hate Dolan, but Draymond Green is an asshole, too. Though he might be the closest thing to Oakley in the league right now.

crzymdups wrote:I hate Dolan, but Draymond Green is an asshole, too. Though he might be the closest thing to Oakley in the league right now.

Good comparison, Draymond is a modern evolved tough glue type of player for this era. More athletic but still rough around the edges.
Dray saying that players should not come to Knicks as free agent is rough for me to take.

As a white man, I can't digest Draymonds comment. Culturally I celebrate Passover, the jewish celebration of freedom from slavery. I was raised with the awareness, but only as an adult and in a more permissive society have we begun to depict with some accuracy the true horrors that was slavery on this continent.

I find Draymonds comment uncomfortable for me for many reasons. He is missing a few things. First and foremost that Dolan is a dick and his arsewholeness is beyond racial lines. I don't know of many issues regarding him having promoted racial agendas.

Draymond has anger issues on the court, has had some problems off. Nothing terrible. He is a pro player who makes a nice wage and with that comes scrutiny when that wage is earned as an entertainer/Athlete. If he finds that unacceptable I might suggest he find another way to earn a living.

These type of things I hate. Look I despise Dolan I have made no bones about that. But calling him a "slave master" is just flat out wrong. I hate when people like Draymond or Spike Lee use the "race" card.

This is all so far out of hand it's ridiculous. The only one that was throwing around racial slurs in that whole incident was C.Oakley so why isn't that talked about??

I'm as far away from being a Dolan fan as any of you and as much of a fan of what Oakley did for us when he was playing as any of you but the way this thing has gone totally against the Knicks and Dolan and Oakley is probably sitting back smiling is just crazy to me. Dolan has NEVER EVER shown anything at all to say he has a lick of racism in him.

StarksEwing1 wrote:These type of things I hate. Look I despise Dolan I have made no bones about that. But calling him a "slave master" is just flat out wrong. I hate when people like Draymond or Spike Lee use the "race" card.

If there is a conflict between some white man and black man in America and it resulted in some kind of trouble for black man this is automatically perceived as racism case regardless of who is right or wrong to begin with. The reason for this psychological phenomena is in the history of white man dominating society enslaving and segregating black minority for a long time. The combination of guilt and anger by association with the social group is one of the basic instincts of human spaces inherited from our tribal roots.
As every individual getting more educated and mentally refined this tendency is slowly reduced. But it still has long way to go.

I think the words that were used were incorrectly chosen, that said, I agree with Dray's overall point.

Oak was an enforcer for the Knicks and was celebrated by everyone within the organization for doing so. He was aggressive then. But now that's not okay.

Similarly, Dolan may or may not be racist - who cares - but clearly everything he did had racial overtones to it. He was scared of the angry, aggressive black man and relied on that stereotype to paint him with the substance abusing black guy stereotype. Dolan used stereotypes in the media. Then he surrounds himself with black former players to show off all his black friends.

meloshouldgo wrote:To your point if he had used the word "totalitarian" instead of "slave master mentality" he wouldn't be off base - he would be completely accurate. You use the word slave master and people immediately start thinking racism is being implied. This rigid keyword driven interpretation of the language leaves me annoyed every time. People who use power as the first line of defense are by definition totalitarians - Dolan is a classic example, slave owners weren't that different. But once you use the word "slave" in a sentence it has to be about "racism" - pathetic. People have no appreciation for nuances anymore

i agree with these thoughts 100%. as a black man i was a little offended by green's comments. i GET what he was saying but lets not go THERE