nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
I'm anti losing all the damn Time, some of guys always think players that play bad on other teams will blossom as a knick and that's yet to happen with anyone we acquire, in fact they get worse..Calerone and afflalo quickly come to mind.
Then the fact your adding payroll, at least let it address all or most of the pg issues we have had. This is like trading Tyson(expiring) for Calderon (2 more yrs)who ended up making us far worse.
I'm not anti Phil, if the result were a success, I'm pro Phil..4 straight losing season, am I suppose to have my GO Phil PoM's POM's in full motion.
If you think that trade would makes better, that your opinion..I don't, think it addresses our need..just another flip of the roster
Rubio is a better fit. BJ kind of shows how much of a difference it can make when a PG is looking to pass and make plays. The ball and player movement improves. We've got to improve incrementally and build properly. This necessarily about quick fixes at this point. Rubio fits and depending on the new talent added in the draft you can see a better roster being built with Smarter, Team Oriented players. That's how we change the culture of this team.
i'm kind of in this camp. I am not a Rubio fan but moving Rose is addition by subtraction.
And why is everyone assuming Rubio? Sounds plausible for sure; but I haven't seen any names and am wondering if it perhaps involves other assets, such as a second round pick
Rookie wrote:I'm a little concerned KP looks rail thin again. Any weight he puts on in the off season he can't keep on through the course of an NBA regular season. I don't think he has the body type to fill in, it could already be filled in as filled as it is going to get.
I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.
Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
2) Not coming in with 2-5 really good new post-up moves. I've whined about this a great deal. He seemed to have worked more on his 20FT from the basket moves to get free for a J than some kind of McHale type pivot magic moves in the paint.
He does not have to be a banger down low, but needs to be able to punish smaller players who cover him, and to have some automatic moves in the post if he gets quick position down low (Beating his opponent down the court for position, or maybe using another teammate's pick.)
He did develop a bank shot, but seems to have used it inconsistently since earlier in the year.
I just believe that somebody has to talk to him. Maybe working out with Dirk can help him, but he has to do some thinking about his game.
CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Thought I heard Windhurst say this morning that the T-Wolves want picks back if they give up Rubio. Not sure this is a bargaining posture...but I don't make ANY trade for him if the Knicks are the ones giving up picks.
They reportedly contacted the Knicks about moving Rubio. No way they get picks. Should the Knicks just stand pat? I don't know that Reggie Jackson is a good move.
Jackson has not developed as expected.
And yup...no way I give up picks for Rubio.
WaltLongmire wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm a little concerned KP looks rail thin again. Any weight he puts on in the off season he can't keep on through the course of an NBA regular season. I don't think he has the body type to fill in, it could already be filled in as filled as it is going to get.
I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.
Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
2) Not coming in with 2-5 really good new post-up moves. I've whined about this a great deal. He seemed to have worked more on his 20FT from the basket moves to get free for a J than some kind of McHale type pivot magic moves in the paint.
He does not have to be a banger down low, but needs to be able to punish smaller players who cover him, and to have some automatic moves in the post if he gets quick position down low (Beating his opponent down the court for position, or maybe using another teammate's pick.)
He did develop a bank shot, but seems to have used it inconsistently since earlier in the year.
I just believe that somebody has to talk to him. Maybe working out with Dirk can help him, but he has to do some thinking about his game.
I actually think KP is one of those guys that isn't a fast developing guy. He doesn't have to be big. Just stronger like KG or Dirk. Neither of them was really thick at any point. KP should come back stronger next year.
KP does have Post moves but needs to refine and master a go to move. He's on his way from what I've seen but more work and maturing physically will help.
More than anything getting more QUALITY touches is the most important thing. Once we get rid of Rose and Melo the development process can get into full swing. Most important is better PG play to get him better looks. IMO there's really nothing wrong with KP that a good PG wouldn't solve.
Head coach Thibs know Rubio lack of defense effort is 65% of the Wolves losing record, and another season with Rubio will get Thibs FIRED. Trading Rubio to a losing Knicks club to receive a half season of ISO-Rose gives coach Thibs a 70% chance of having a winning 2017-18 season.
Rubio has never been NBA material .. the Knicks trading for Rubio will be the same as the Knicks 2013 trade for Andrea Bargnani.
nixluva wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm a little concerned KP looks rail thin again. Any weight he puts on in the off season he can't keep on through the course of an NBA regular season. I don't think he has the body type to fill in, it could already be filled in as filled as it is going to get.
I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.
Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
2) Not coming in with 2-5 really good new post-up moves. I've whined about this a great deal. He seemed to have worked more on his 20FT from the basket moves to get free for a J than some kind of McHale type pivot magic moves in the paint.
He does not have to be a banger down low, but needs to be able to punish smaller players who cover him, and to have some automatic moves in the post if he gets quick position down low (Beating his opponent down the court for position, or maybe using another teammate's pick.)
He did develop a bank shot, but seems to have used it inconsistently since earlier in the year.
I just believe that somebody has to talk to him. Maybe working out with Dirk can help him, but he has to do some thinking about his game.
I actually think KP is one of those guys that isn't a fast developing guy. He doesn't have to be big. Just stronger like KG or Dirk. Neither of them was really thick at any point. KP should come back stronger next year.
KP does have Post moves but needs to refine and master a go to move. He's on his way from what I've seen but more work and maturing physically will help.
More than anything getting more QUALITY touches is the most important thing. Once we get rid of Rose and Melo the development process can get into full swing. Most important is better PG play to get him better looks. IMO there's really nothing wrong with KP that a good PG wouldn't solve.
KP is clueless of the low post plus KP need a scoring big-man coach to tutor his timing in the low post.
Rambis has not did anything to help KP learn how to defend the paint or box-out the paint
Kemet wrote:Head coach Thibs know Rubio lack of defense effort is 65% of the Wolves losing record, and another season with Rubio will get Thibs FIRED. Trading Rubio to a losing Knicks club to receive a half season of ISO-Rose gives coach Thibs a 70% chance of having a winning 2017-18 season.
Rubio has never been NBA material .. the Knicks trading for Rubio will be the same as the Knicks 2013 trade for Andrea Bargnani.
We traded picks for Bargnani
If we trade for Rubio Im assuming it's just Rose (an expiring contract we don't intend to pay at seasons end)
Kemet wrote:Head coach Thibs know Rubio lack of defense effort is 65% of the Wolves losing record, and another season with Rubio will get Thibs FIRED. Trading Rubio to a losing Knicks club to receive a half season of ISO-Rose gives coach Thibs a 70% chance of having a winning 2017-18 season.
Rubio has never been NBA material .. the Knicks trading for Rubio will be the same as the Knicks 2013 trade for Andrea Bargnani.
Your comment makes no sense
Maybe we can get LeVine from the wolves if we include Courtney Lee & Kyle O'quinn
WaltLongmire wrote:I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
To be fair, that kind of development takes more than one off-season for many guys unless 1) he just got fat or 2) he's using some other form of assistance. There is a reason many scouts considered him a project. Give him a couple of seasons before you judge his physical development. I'm sure he's hired quality trainers to help him along the way. Look at Pay Gasoline as an example.
BigDaddyG wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
To be fair, that kind of development takes more than one off-season for many guys unless 1) he just got fat or 2) he's using some other form of assistance. There is a reason many scouts considered him a project. Give him a couple of seasons before you judge his physical development. I'm sure he's hired quality trainers to help him along the way. Look at Pay Gasoline as an example.
Putting on muscle doesn't mean he had to gain 20 pounds.... that extra weight takes a toll on the body too. Especially to put it on in one off season. He would lose his athleticism. That's one of his biggest traits. He's still a kid. His muscles will mature in time. Besides he's playing basketball not trying to win the Olympia.
EnySpree wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
To be fair, that kind of development takes more than one off-season for many guys unless 1) he just got fat or 2) he's using some other form of assistance. There is a reason many scouts considered him a project. Give him a couple of seasons before you judge his physical development. I'm sure he's hired quality trainers to help him along the way. Look at Pay Gasoline as an example.
Putting on muscle doesn't mean he had to gain 20 pounds.... that extra weight takes a toll on the body too. Especially to put it on in one off season. He would lose his athleticism. That's one of his biggest traits. He's still a kid. His muscles will mature in time. Besides he's playing basketball not trying to win the Olympia.
That's only like 10 lbs since he started the season at 240lbs. I think people are hoping for a Anthony Davis or Giannis type growth but that's not going to happen with KP. His will probably be slower since he has stopped growing but he needs to probably start the year heavier because it seems like he loses a lot of weight and strength as the season goes on.
I was curious about all of the Rubio love so I'm watching a Timberwolves game on NBA TV. A couple of observations:
They are really boring to watch.
Not a lot of passing. Rubio doesn't get his teammates easy shots.
He is slow footed, just dribbles to spots and dumps the ball off to his playmakers.
They have some very talented kids who get the ball and attack one on one, ala Melo, except their kids can beat defenders off of the dribble.
He can't shoot and never looks for his shot.
he is over rated on defense. He gets a lot of help and sucks defending P-n-R. Benefits from good team defense.
I would pass on Rubio. Rubio has 2 more years on his deal. Not going to be a difference maker here. We can draft a PG if we can stay in the lottery. Brandon Jennings is probably a better fit than Rubio and he is already on the team
BigDaddyG wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
To be fair, that kind of development takes more than one off-season for many guys unless 1) he just got fat or 2) he's using some other form of assistance. There is a reason many scouts considered him a project. Give him a couple of seasons before you judge his physical development. I'm sure he's hired quality trainers to help him along the way. Look at Pay Gasoline as an example.
Does take time, agree, but he did put on weight and muscle leading up to his rookie season. For this season I saw nothing.
He does not have the kind of frame that Willy has...he is never going to be muscular, but either he and/or the Knicks decided he did not have to put on weight and muscle, and either he and/or the Knicks decided that he should work more on his SF game than his big man game.
Just wanted to see him address his greatest weaknesses, and though he's improved overall, he still seems clueless and off-balance down low at times.
CrushAlot wrote:
Does this mean Phil was asking for Dunn, or is there a 3 way being discussed where someone else asked about Dunn?
EnySpree wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I don't think he added weight...said he was working on his lower body, core, or something like that.Two big mistakes made by him.
1) Not putting on some added muscle and getting up to at least 250lbs.
To be fair, that kind of development takes more than one off-season for many guys unless 1) he just got fat or 2) he's using some other form of assistance. There is a reason many scouts considered him a project. Give him a couple of seasons before you judge his physical development. I'm sure he's hired quality trainers to help him along the way. Look at Pay Gasoline as an example.
Putting on muscle doesn't mean he had to gain 20 pounds.... that extra weight takes a toll on the body too. Especially to put it on in one off season. He would lose his athleticism. That's one of his biggest traits. He's still a kid. His muscles will mature in time. Besides he's playing basketball not trying to win the Olympia.
Of course you don't want him bulking up too much, but I'll say it one more time- it looks like he did little or no work on his body, and his interior game is affected by this fact.
As per Rotoworld
Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.
WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Does this mean Phil was asking for Dunn, or is there a 3 way being discussed where someone else asked about Dunn?
I think the point was that despite trading for Rose if it happens. They have not given up on Dunn.
If you trade for a PG like Rose, Dunn may believe Wolves no longer believe in him.
WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Does this mean Phil was asking for Dunn, or is there a 3 way being discussed where someone else asked about Dunn?
Would be a brilliant Phil move to ask for Dunn, then say 'well ok, if it has to be Rubio then a pick is coming back with him'. Go Zen Master!
