Must get back a number one pick. Rubio and a number one taking on 2 years of Rubio who isn't that good. Essentially Rubio is the fodder in the trade. The number one pick is what the deal is about and Rose.
BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
Yeah, we've seen what a detriment it is to have a point guard who can't shoot in today's game. Plus, he can't finish. Pick and rolls become less effective because teams can ignore him and his defense is just so,so. My problem with the trade is that he still isn't the answer, we'd still probably need to add a guard in the draft and we're adding salary. I'd rather let Rose expire. They have to take Noah for me to consider this.
BRIGGS wrote:NYKBocker wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
I agree with BRIGGS that you have to get more due to the decline in Rubio's play. However, I don't think you can get a lottery pick out of this. It might have to be a 2 year lottery protected 1st rounder.
No Rose and a 2017 pick top 3 restricted or 0. Im not interested in Ricky Rubio--hes a back up
As much as I want that to happen I don't think that is happening. You are not getting a lottery pick for Rose. Not this version of Rose.
Rookie wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500
But were you prophetic about it now working then? at the 4th seed, there was a buzz about the team, and of course the trajectory was the team was still coming together?
I started bringing up Boston as our best trade partner in a Carmelo Antony trade back in 2014. While I admit to posting many wack trade scenarios, they all included Bradley, Crowder and Boston's surplus of picks. Even if the Clips are the catalyst for a Melo trade and we get Bradley, Crowder and a 1st with Melo going to LA....I still claim my mantle as UK resident prophetic Melo trade genius. If you don't believe me, just check it out with the search function
Jae Crowder got traded to Boston on december 18th, 2014, or 25 games into the season. So basically any wack trade with Boston in 2014 you had 13 days to work it then.
is there a rule that you can claim that mantle piece if the Clippers are involved? If you have the room on the mantle, go for it!!!
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt this ends well for the knicks. I just do not believe in Phil's ability to make good trades.
Exactly
Phil versus Layden. Should be interesting.
This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)
Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt this ends well for the knicks. I just do not believe in Phil's ability to make good trades.
Exactly
Phil versus Layden. Should be interesting.
This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)
Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
There is no situation that you would find palatable?
Reggie Jackson's name is resurfacing in this deal in twitter speculation. I don't know that he is a good fit or worth making the move for.
Nalod wrote:Rookie wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Nalod wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.
And where were you at 14-10?
ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500
But were you prophetic about it now working then? at the 4th seed, there was a buzz about the team, and of course the trajectory was the team was still coming together?
I started bringing up Boston as our best trade partner in a Carmelo Antony trade back in 2014. While I admit to posting many wack trade scenarios, they all included Bradley, Crowder and Boston's surplus of picks. Even if the Clips are the catalyst for a Melo trade and we get Bradley, Crowder and a 1st with Melo going to LA....I still claim my mantle as UK resident prophetic Melo trade genius. If you don't believe me, just check it out with the search function
Jae Crowder got traded to Boston on december 18th, 2014, or 25 games into the season. So basically any wack trade with Boston in 2014 you had 13 days to work it then.
is there a rule that you can claim that mantle piece if the Clippers are involved? If you have the room on the mantle, go for it!!!
It was pretty obvious to many here that Boston had the assets and the need to get a deal done. There have been many plug and play pieces over the years. Boston is VERY patient. It's hard to believe that there is a universe where the Knicks can get any decent deal when trading with a stable franchise.
knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
Thought I heard Windhurst say this morning that the T-Wolves want picks back if they give up Rubio. Not sure this is a bargaining posture...but I don't make ANY trade for him if the Knicks are the ones giving up picks.
Reggie Jackson is a cancer, stay away.
Let's face it this team is fucked. NO one is coming here after what they did to Oakley and Phil is now useless with all his media mind games and speaking out against players. Combined with the NY media, no one in their right mind is coming here and getting drilled with taxes. There is just no upside.
Rubio is the best this team is going to do.
stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
yea.. Rubio is a stop gap player and would be a much better fit here with more shooters on the floor. This would be a nice short term move for us.
MS wrote:Reggie Jackson is a cancer, stay away. Let's face it this team is fucked. NO one is coming here after what they did to Oakley and Phil is now useless with all his media mind games and speaking out against players. Combined with the NY media, no one in their right mind is coming here and getting drilled with taxes. There is just no upside.
Rubio is the best this team is going to do.
I'm not looking for a Free Agent Savior anymore!!! Just make smart moves for team oriented players and look to the Draft for your top tier talent. Rubio isn't expected to answer all our problems but he can run an offense and Pass the Hell out of the ball.
Jason Kidd had NOTHING LEFT but still helped this team with his high BB IQ! We don't need Rubio to provide penetration. We can get that from another player and with better ball n players movement.
I'm a little concerned KP looks rail thin again. Any weight he puts on in the off season he can't keep on through the course of an NBA regular season. I don't think he has the body type to fill in, it could already be filled in as filled as it is going to get.
WaltLongmire wrote:Thought I heard Windhurst say this morning that the T-Wolves want picks back if they give up Rubio. Not sure this is a bargaining posture...but I don't make ANY trade for him if the Knicks are the ones giving up picks.
They reportedly contacted the Knicks about moving Rubio. No way they get picks. Should the Knicks just stand pat? I don't know that Reggie Jackson is a good move.
stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
I'm anti losing all the damn Time, some of guys always think players that play bad on other teams will blossom as a knick and that's yet to happen with anyone we acquire, in fact they get worse..Calerone and afflalo quickly come to mind.
Then the fact your adding payroll, at least let it address all or most of the pg issues we have had. This is like trading Tyson(expiring) for Calderon (2 more yrs)who ended up making us far worse.
I'm not anti Phil, if the result were a success, I'm pro Phil..4 straight losing season, am I suppose to have my GO Phil PoM's POM's in full motion.
If you think that trade would makes better, that your opinion..I don't, think it addresses our need..just another flip of the roster
knicks1248 wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
I'm anti losing all the damn Time, some of guys always think players that play bad on other teams will blossom as a knick and that's yet to happen with anyone we acquire, in fact they get worse..Calerone and afflalo quickly come to mind.
Then the fact your adding payroll, at least let it address all or most of the pg issues we have had. This is like trading Tyson(expiring) for Calderon (2 more yrs)who ended up making us far worse.
I'm not anti Phil, if the result were a success, I'm pro Phil..4 straight losing season, am I suppose to have my GO Phil PoM's POM's in full motion.
If you think that trade would makes better, that your opinion..I don't, think it addresses our need..just another flip of the roster
Knicks should do nothing except keep their draft picks until Phil's contract runs out. No more FA signings, firing hiring coaches, 82 different players is a sign we are just throwing darts.
Only good is that we have our 1st rd draft picks and we are under the luxury tax even if we do have really bad contract. No more FA fixes. No more trades. We keep sresetting the doomsday clock to one minute till midnight. I see very little in terms if positive progress.
fishmike wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.
Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?
He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink
He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.
exactly... he's a very nice stop gap. Much better than maxing out Holiday while we develop our own guard(s)
Yep, we will struggle to develop our young talent without a PG- we can't sign one in the offseason, so we need Rubio- extends our options in the draft. Can anyone suggest a better PG that we can realistically add for the next 2 seasons?
knicks1248 wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
I'm anti losing all the damn Time, some of guys always think players that play bad on other teams will blossom as a knick and that's yet to happen with anyone we acquire, in fact they get worse..Calerone and afflalo quickly come to mind.
Then the fact your adding payroll, at least let it address all or most of the pg issues we have had. This is like trading Tyson(expiring) for Calderon (2 more yrs)who ended up making us far worse.
I'm not anti Phil, if the result were a success, I'm pro Phil..4 straight losing season, am I suppose to have my GO Phil PoM's POM's in full motion.
If you think that trade would makes better, that your opinion..I don't, think it addresses our need..just another flip of the roster
Rubio is a better fit. BJ kind of shows how much of a difference it can make when a PG is looking to pass and make plays. The ball and player movement improves. We've got to improve incrementally and build properly. This necessarily about quick fixes at this point. Rubio fits and depending on the new talent added in the draft you can see a better roster being built with Smarter, Team Oriented players. That's how we change the culture of this team.
Welpee wrote:You guys realize Rubio has played in exactly zero playoff games in five years. He has moved from over hyped teenage phenom or overrated bust.Stop gap is a very good description of Rubio. He's basically Calderon without a jump shot, but with available PGs rapidly jumping off the table (not to mention signing free agents will be more challenging as a result of the Oakley situation/Melo treatment) and the likelihood we'll probably draft PG who will need time to develop, I think he's competent enough to get us by for a year or two.
He's nothing like Calderon- what, because they're both spanish they must be the same?
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:knicks1248 wrote:This would be a Isaiah lateral move that addresses 2 problems (ball movement, defense) but goes back to ignoring another 2 problems(penetration, perimeter scoring)Plus adds salary..Go Phil
Rubio has never played on a winning team, and has never made anyone better, you saw LOVE demand a trade, and TOWNS doesn't really benenfit form rubios passes. he's good on his own
The improvement in ball movement will open up the floor and help KP, Willy, Lee, etc. get better looks - so our perimeter scoring will go up. Your anti-Phil agenda is really getting old, are you married to Mike Lupica per chance?
I'm anti losing all the damn Time, some of guys always think players that play bad on other teams will blossom as a knick and that's yet to happen with anyone we acquire, in fact they get worse..Calerone and afflalo quickly come to mind.
Then the fact your adding payroll, at least let it address all or most of the pg issues we have had. This is like trading Tyson(expiring) for Calderon (2 more yrs)who ended up making us far worse.
I'm not anti Phil, if the result were a success, I'm pro Phil..4 straight losing season, am I suppose to have my GO Phil PoM's POM's in full motion.
If you think that trade would makes better, that your opinion..I don't, think it addresses our need..just another flip of the roster
Rubio is a better fit. BJ kind of shows how much of a difference it can make when a PG is looking to pass and make plays. The ball and player movement improves. We've got to improve incrementally and build properly. This necessarily about quick fixes at this point. Rubio fits and depending on the new talent added in the draft you can see a better roster being built with Smarter, Team Oriented players. That's how we change the culture of this team.
i'm kind of in this camp. I am not a Rubio fan but moving Rose is addition by subtraction.
And why is everyone assuming Rubio? Sounds plausible for sure; but I haven't seen any names and am wondering if it perhaps involves other assets, such as a second round pick
