This is maybe the only forum where Phil is considered a God.
holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, I thought Jennings was a good singing, too bad we couldn't keep him, whatever the reason I don't know. Noah and Rose were gambles that did not pan out. Rose will come off the books and free up a lot of cap space and Lopez is not needed with all the big men we have. We could have gotten more for him than cap relief tho. Maybe even a first rounder? The only real mess up is Noah. I like Phil but he really screwed this up badly.
Noah was part of a package deal to manage Rose. And Noah was a legitimate rotation version the kinds of rotation players Phil values. Enthusiasm is contagious especially coming from respected vets. You have to stop counting money. It ain't about that.
Nonsense..You don't give a 32 year old player coming off two years worth of injuries 17 mil per over 4 years to manage a guy on a one year contract..
With logic like that, I can pretty much guarantee fwk00 works in the front office.
Phil is now realizing that you can't build around Carmelo Anthony. I hope melo waives his ntc this and stop being frontin and being delusional about winning. Right now he's trying to sabotage the tank.
Here's an article from last summer
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
So Phil Jackson reached the correct conclusion after a recent meeting with an increasingly impatient Carmelo Anthony: As long as Anthony is here and All-Star capable, the 31-year-old’s career timeline should be placated. If not, what’s the point of paying him $124 million with a no-trade clause?“One of my questions to Carmelo was, you know, we haven’t made the playoffs and now this is three years, two years, since I’ve been here — are we moving quickly enough for you and your anticipation of trying to be into a competitive playoff situation?” Jackson said. “I think that was our conversation and established the fact of his desire, the idea that he is getting into an age where things have to happen for him. So we decided to activate ourselves.
This is Anthony’s responsibility now. His burden to win games. No more excuses or demands through the media. That was the implication Friday from Jackson, who reversed the roles after a year of Anthony publicly pleading that the team president be better at his job.
Jackson revealed Anthony asked for a point guard in their meeting, and how he, Jackson, quickly turned that request into Derrick Rose. Once the deal was completed, the Knicks were “activated,” to steal Jackson’s buzzword, into their win-now plan that aligns more with Anthony’s desires. Aside from the presence of Kristaps Porzingis — which should never be underestimated — it’s like the first two years under Jackson don’t exist. A waste of time and triangle seminars.”
JamesKPolk wrote:This is maybe the only forum where Phil is considered a God.
By who? This reminds me of how the Melo haters would accuse you of saying he's in the Lebron zone when all you were trying to say is he's a good player. Who thinks Phil is a god?
I am constantly accused of defending Phil when all I am really saying is "he's mostly phucked up, but those phuck ups are short term pains and we are keeping the picks and drafting well so I remain patient and optimistic."
I can only speak for myself but that is the sentiment I continue to echo. People hear what they need to hear.
Like others have said, the only thing Phil did wrong was the Noah signing. Everything else was a decent calculated risk that just did not happen to work out, but getting Rose, signing Jennings and Lee, getting Holiday, Cuz, Baker, and Randle were all solid moves. If KOQ had played this well last year, I think Phil might have passed on Noah or not felt as big a need to sign him to a 4 year deal. The Noah contract is a killer, but we can recover. Trade KOQ for a first round pick, and then start Billy with Noah as the backup and Plumlee as the third stringer. KP is probably going to get some minutes there too. It is not the end of the world, but we definitely need to tank the rest of the season and try to get to the 6th pick, which will give us plenty of options for a potential star player.
fishmike wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:This is maybe the only forum where Phil is considered a God.
By who? This reminds me of how the Melo haters would accuse you of saying he's in the Lebron zone when all you were trying to say is he's a good player. Who thinks Phil is a god?I am constantly accused of defending Phil when all I am really saying is "he's mostly phucked up, but those phuck ups are short term pains and we are keeping the picks and drafting well so I remain patient and optimistic."
I can only speak for myself but that is the sentiment I continue to echo. People hear what they need to hear.
well said, fish. it always seems around here, as soon as you say one single positive thing about someone or a situation, you're immediately giving that person or situation the full thumbs up. phil has definitely had his fuck ups, but he's also had his good moves too and like you said, he's limited his fuck ups to being short-term things. we still have all of our draft picks and, most importantly, we have our draft pick this year in a solid draft.
EnySpree wrote:He messed up trying to satisfy Melo with a win now approach....... but he didn't mortgage the future by doing so. Noah is the only bad contact, but to his defense he wanted him regardless for his leadership. Rose and Jennings are of the books after this year. Lee and Lance are on cap friendly deals. We have plenty of promising young players. We have all our future picks. We have cap space....Man up and see what's really going on
Agreed. The issue is that they tried to get pieces that would help them win this year. They did not work but they are not hurting the team long term either.
Noah will be an expensive but valuable piece next year off the bench.
crzymdups wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:This is maybe the only forum where Phil is considered a God.
Kinda crazy isn't it?
NO ONE has been talking about Phil like he's a God. The losing has been tough and i'm sure for Phil it's been excruciating. Still there's a 2 tier process going on. The win now stuff with Melo and the Future stuff with KP and the kids. We're at the point now where the Future aspects are becoming ascendant. Another draft where we have our 1st rd pick could be huge. No guarantees but it's a legit shot at trying to add another young STUD to the roster and hopefully more. There's still Cap Space as well.
So we clean out the guys that don't work and keep the ones that do. The team will progress.
