martin wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Noah did, Lee did. Sometimes you just never know.
Noah and Lee got paid twice their worth .. plus Noah been chillin on vacation the majority of the first season of his 4 year $72M contract ..
Hayward would probably want Melo type of pay to play in NY
callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Hayward has clearly better options. Hill, sadly, might end up a Knick in a massive overpay.
The Warriors got some nice walk years out of Carl Landry and Jarrett Jack a couple of years before they won a championship. There was a A LOT of pressure for them to resign both players, who were productive that year for them. Despite criticism when the GSW let the walk, it was the right decision. Long term, it was a push year for both, in good situations, specific to that roster. Neither player did very much after that season.
Hill is not a difference making player, not for the contract it would take to sign him. He's in a good situation in Utah, on a specific team, with specific needs that he fills for them. He can defend his own weight at least, but before this year, he was in steady decline and was on his way to shading just a bit under league average.
If the Knicks massively overpay, they can get him. And that back end Year 3 and 4 will look right horrible. I'd argue he wouldn't be as effective on this roster compared to the current Jazz ( fit matters)
Why are Bill Belichick and Billy Beane so successful? They exploit and maximize a young players cost controlled years.
Grabbing a guy on his way up is value. Paying a guy for past performance is a bad way to chase ghosts and ruin your team.
Remember when the Yanks signed Carl Pavano. Signing Hill to a max deal is like the Knicks getting their own version of Carl Pavano.
TripleThreat wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Hayward has clearly better options. Hill, sadly, might end up a Knick in a massive overpay.
The Warriors got some nice walk years out of Carl Landry and Jarrett Jack a couple of years before they won a championship. There was a A LOT of pressure for them to resign both players, who were productive that year for them. Despite criticism when the GSW let the walk, it was the right decision. Long term, it was a push year for both, in good situations, specific to that roster. Neither player did very much after that season.
Hill is not a difference making player, not for the contract it would take to sign him. He's in a good situation in Utah, on a specific team, with specific needs that he fills for them. He can defend his own weight at least, but before this year, he was in steady decline and was on his way to shading just a bit under league average.
If the Knicks massively overpay, they can get him. And that back end Year 3 and 4 will look right horrible. I'd argue he wouldn't be as effective on this roster compared to the current Jazz ( fit matters)
Why are Bill Belichick and Billy Beane so successful? They exploit and maximize a young players cost controlled years.
Grabbing a guy on his way up is value. Paying a guy for past performance is a bad way to chase ghosts and ruin your team.
Remember when the Yanks signed Carl Pavano. Signing Hill to a max deal is like the Knicks getting their own version of Carl Pavano.
Hill was not on a decline last season .. u had to have missed the first round playoff of Pacers vs Raptors series .. Hill put a hurtin on Lowry/Derozan for 7 strong games.
The Pacers would be a 2nd seed team in the East right now if Hill was in Indiana .. Hill play to well of a team-ball game to ruin his future by coming to a stagnated Knicks environment.
Hill is a year younger than Courtney Lee and a similiar player. If he agrees for the same amount that Lee signed for then he's worth it. While having a young point guard waiting in the wings behind him.
Actually bc of the increase in $, slightly more than Lee.
Watch the game he played against us early in the season on YouTube.
Just watched these guys against the Nets. Not even a discussion that Hayward is a max player but I wanted to mention Hill. That dude is literally the prototypical triangle point guard. Has all the tools, didn't see any weakness in his game. Will gladly take him over Jrue Holiday.
He & Lee would provide a stabilizing influence to our young front court players.
TLover wrote:Just watched these guys against the Nets. Not even a discussion that Hayward is a max player but I wanted to mention Hill. That dude is literally the prototypical triangle point guard. Has all the tools, didn't see any weakness in his game. Will gladly take him over Jrue Holiday.
He & Lee would provide a stabilizing influence to our young front court players.
They are perfect but they aren't coming. Hill is in Utah or with the Spurs. Hayward resigns with the jazz for a lot more than any other team can sign him for or he signs with his college coach in Boston.
