You have 2 unselfish guys (both from Indianapolis) that can take their talents to NYC and join forces with KP, Willy & Lee to form a nice starting 5.
Whether Melo waives his no-trade clause or not, those are the 2 guys we should target. Since they're already teammates & from the same hometown we could get a package deal.
Starting 5 would fit perfectly in the triangle.
Most likely, I can see Hayward going to Boston reuniting with Brad Stevens or staying in Utah.
Hayward is a smart dude who doesn't seem so enamored in enhancing his own brand. But he & Hill could really do something special in NYC.
That starting 5 would be great, with a young point guard we draft learning from Hill.
Why would Hayward leave? He is the face of the franchise and they are building something there in Utah. I hate to say it but you guys are full of NY it's not the destination that you guys think it is. Most people don't even like NY they want to visit it but don't want to live there.
It's a dream scenerio... imagine subbing out Melo and Rose for these guys 🤔 fuck it throw Gobert in for Noah lol...
It's just not going to happen. The Knicks don't have enough money or assets to trade for hill and hayward. That hard on is pulsating though
Both Hayward & Hill will be free agents.. so hopefully we at least get a meeting with them.
Despite all our disfunction this season, we might be able to sell them on the triangle and playing with KP. We also have an Indianapolis guy on our team in Courtney Lee who can help in the recruitment process.
Heck keep Melo and play him at the 4.
No way the Knicks could sign both unless they salary dump Melo.
Even then, I can't see Hayward pick us over Boston or staying in Utah for more money.
Hill seems to be having some issues with money with Utah and may leave.
I would sign Hill over Rose, because I think both will be priced quite high. Hill is looking for the max from what I've read. He's going to likely get a 4 year deal in the $100 million range.
I'm thinking Chris Paul signs for super max and convinces Melo & Wade to come to LA. Just a hunch.
You bring in 2 high IQ players like Hayward & Hill to go with the rest of our crew that's a high powered team.
Watching the ball move around the court is beautiful to watch and championship style basketball.
Hayward is the #1 target. But the Knicks have nothing to offer.
Boston has a max slot, a top three pick, jaylen brown, smart, crowder, Thomas, Horford, Bradley to go along with a top 4 coach, a gm that's delivered a championship and rebuilt a team after winning a chip.
We have a the worst owner in the sport, a smug gm that insists on running an offense no one can understand and an unproven coach, Lee, Willy and KP.
Why take a meeting?
Hill is getting 70+MM. He was a spur a pacer and jazz guy. NYC not for him.
The Knicks aren't getting any meetings unless we land a top 3 pick.
MS wrote:Hayward is the #1 target. But the Knicks have nothing to offer.Boston has a max slot, a top three pick, jaylen brown, smart, crowder, Thomas, Horford, Bradley to go along with a top 4 coach, a gm that's delivered a championship and rebuilt a team after winning a chip.
We have a the worst owner in the sport, a smug gm that insists on running an offense no one can understand and an unproven coach, Lee, Willy and KP.
Why take a meeting?
Hill is getting 70+MM. He was a spur a pacer and jazz guy. NYC not for him.
The Knicks aren't getting any meetings unless we land a top 3 pick.
Also Stevens coached Hayward. He stays in Utah or goes to Boston. The Celtics just out gutted the Cavs tonight. I think Hill stays in Utah or goes to the Spurs. I don't think either of these guys would consider the Knicks in a normal off season. Taxes, media, chance to win etc. always put the Knicks at a disadvantage. With how Phil has handled things and the Dolan/Oak incident, there is no way the Knicks bring in one of these guys.
TLover wrote:Both Hayward & Hill will be free agents.. so hopefully we at least get a meeting with them.
Despite all our disfunction this season, we might be able to sell them on the triangle and playing with KP. We also have an Indianapolis guy on our team in Courtney Lee who can help in the recruitment process. Heck keep Melo and play him at the 4.
George Hill will turn 31 in a couple of months here. He's likely to get a 4 year deal simply because of the big cap infusion the past few years, and that's a function of the NBA current marketplace and not his actual value.
You'd be paying big dollars/max money for a players decline phase, and Hill has been in a steady decline except for this year with the Jazz, which is a circumstance issue more than anything.
If anything, the LESSON from George Hill is that he was a late first round draft pick by the Spurs. The Knicks can find PG help, without having to unload max dollars to do it. The Knicks need to stop looking at the "name brand" guys like Rubio, Jrue Holiday, Chri Paul, Hill, etc, and look the Aaron Brooks type ( from the past) , or the Ish Smith type. There are useful PGs out there who can help and don't require a massive overpay to do it.
Failure to find an effective PG, without breaking the bank, is a sign of front office ineptitude.
The Knicks just need to trade everyone not named Hernangomez and then tank hard.
Why? Why Hayward would leave Utah and come to the Knicks? It is not convincing for him at all.
MS wrote:Hayward is the #1 target. But the Knicks have nothing to offer.Boston has a max slot, a top three pick, jaylen brown, smart, crowder, Thomas, Horford, Bradley to go along with a top 4 coach, a gm that's delivered a championship and rebuilt a team after winning a chip.
We have a the worst owner in the sport, a smug gm that insists on running an offense no one can understand and an unproven coach, Lee, Willy and KP.
Why take a meeting?
Hill is getting 70+MM. He was a spur a pacer and jazz guy. NYC not for him.
The Knicks aren't getting any meetings unless we land a top 3 pick.
Boston is the clear choice for him and if Boston wants to they can try to get another star player on top of that via trade.
We can't stress ourselves over free agents. It's not our time yet. We have to be patient
i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
That would be rare. Amare Stoudamire was the last one to do that that i can remember. Amare was on a mission to build his brand and become great. As noted plenty of times by just about all of us... nobody cares about ny. Winning one in ny holds no extra weight to players anymore.
EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
That would be rare. Amare Stoudamire was the last one to do that that i can remember. Amare was on a mission to build his brand and become great. As noted plenty of times by just about all of us... nobody cares about ny. Winning one in ny holds no extra weight to players anymore.
Amare also left because Suns weren't offering a full max contract and no one else was either just the Knicks because they struck out with all their plans. Amare was like plan D.
Vmart wrote:EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
That would be rare. Amare Stoudamire was the last one to do that that i can remember. Amare was on a mission to build his brand and become great. As noted plenty of times by just about all of us... nobody cares about ny. Winning one in ny holds no extra weight to players anymore.
Amare also left because Suns weren't offering a full max contract and no one else was either just the Knicks because they struck out with all their plans. Amare was like plan D.
Dude Stoudamire changed religions when he got to ny lol... He was more about branding than anything. All hinders aside he was a legit star regardless of injury concerns.
EnySpree wrote:Vmart wrote:EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
That would be rare. Amare Stoudamire was the last one to do that that i can remember. Amare was on a mission to build his brand and become great. As noted plenty of times by just about all of us... nobody cares about ny. Winning one in ny holds no extra weight to players anymore.
Amare also left because Suns weren't offering a full max contract and no one else was either just the Knicks because they struck out with all their plans. Amare was like plan D.
Dude Stoudamire changed religions when he got to ny lol... He was more about branding than anything. All hinders aside he was a legit star regardless of injury concerns.
If Amare knew the Knicks had intention on bringing Iso-Melo on the team Amare would have resign with the Suns .. Melo has always been a problem that coach Karl couldnt get pass the first round, plus Phil Jackson has problems getting Ego-Melo into the playoffs.
George Hill will ask to be waive like Jennings/Udrih because Melo always slow down the tempo of the game.
Gordon Hayward would take all of KP playing-time
callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Noah did, Lee did. Sometimes you just never know.
martin wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Noah did, Lee did. Sometimes you just never know.
sure you never know.i could become an astronaut and fly to the moon.
Noah and Lee were old and overpaid. G.Hayward and Hill are on good teams in their prime. i doubt theyd leave to a lottery team.
sorry. im not trying to be a "negative ned" again. i vote for rebuilding thru the draft
martin wrote:callmened wrote:i agree but why would they leave a good situation in utah to join the knicks?
Noah did, Lee did. Sometimes you just never know.
Noah and Lee got paid twice their worth .. plus Noah been chillin on vacation the majority of the first season of his 4 year $72M contract ..
Hayward would probably want Melo type of pay to play in NY
