Knicks · Years down the line we will see how this half of the season ruined us for years to come. (page 5)
fishmike wrote:Something like that in the backcourt. If D'Antoni is your coach you have to do better than that. But that team did go 18-6 to finish the season.CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I mean name me a single team that had talent like Melo/KP together that loses 90% of their games. It just doesn't happen. We are way too talented at the top to be that bad. It's part of the whole Melo conundrum. It's why Phil went after Rose and Noah/Lee. He saw a team that had enough talent on paper with KP/Melo to win 30 games. So add some vets who have won wherever they have played in the past (like Rose/Noah/Lee) and maybe you can push it to 45 and make a playoff run. It didn't work out.The year the Knicks added Tyson the Knicks winning percentage was almost identical to what it is now while D'Antoni was coaching. Amare, Tyson and Melo at that point was arguably the best front line in the nba at the time.Even if Phil had found takers for Rose and Lee, we would still be competitive so long as KP and Melo were on the team. The problem is just that. Melo and KP alone make this team 30 wins good (at minimum). Take away KP maybe we drop to 25. Take away Melo, we can drop to 20. Not a single tanking team has the Melo/KP combo of talent. So be realistic. Tell me how we tank, while also realizing Melo has a NTC and KP is a young star who you want to develop into a franchise player, who is giving you 18-20 points a night (and KP is super competitive).
with probably the worst back court... ever. Wasnt that the year of Tony Douglas and Mike Bibby? Either way the point is you are going to win some games.
KP4Life wrote:Ball, Fultz, and Frank will all become superstars. We will draft miles bridges and realize quickly he's a bust. No free agents will come here and Melo will keep us prisoner for another year. Then we will resign Rose and start the whole process another year failing to just make the playoffs again. Wasting KPs prime years with mediocre veterans obsessed with win now mode. Damn, we might even trade him. Phils reputation ruined by making us even worse than before."Remember the 2017 draft?" they will say "we had a chance at drafting the next jordan in Lonzo Ball/Fultz, but melo decided to push for a pointless sweep in the first round by the cavs to fulfill his selfish needs of living in nyc for his brand and being a pretend winner in the short term. Fuck KP" he will say.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.
At this point they better make the playoffs cuz the fan base will be livid if they only get close and ruin draft position for NOTHING!!! This team always had the talent to be better and now it looks like they're playing better and the schedule is so much lighter now. They're gonna win games! There's nothing that we can do but hope they get in at this point.
Right, and how would you even be able to evaluate anyone on the roster if they start jacking up wild shots, turning the ball over, missing FT's playing bad defense for.
If kp and willy play really bad on purpose for the sake of a draft picks, or Lee shoots 10% from DT, or Holiday plays lazy defense. wouldn't you then come to the conclusion that all these players suck and the entire roster should be revamp.
Or would you be interested in the players finally coming together down the stretch, rose and melo passing more, better team defense, and phil doing hhis homework and drafting a solid player anywhere in the draft , like picking up a willy type late in the draft..
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I mean name me a single team that had talent like Melo/KP together that loses 90% of their games. It just doesn't happen. We are way too talented at the top to be that bad. It's part of the whole Melo conundrum. It's why Phil went after Rose and Noah/Lee. He saw a team that had enough talent on paper with KP/Melo to win 30 games. So add some vets who have won wherever they have played in the past (like Rose/Noah/Lee) and maybe you can push it to 45 and make a playoff run. It didn't work out.Even if Phil had found takers for Rose and Lee, we would still be competitive so long as KP and Melo were on the team. The problem is just that. Melo and KP alone make this team 30 wins good (at minimum). Take away KP maybe we drop to 25. Take away Melo, we can drop to 20. Not a single tanking team has the Melo/KP combo of talent. So be realistic. Tell me how we tank, while also realizing Melo has a NTC and KP is a young star who you want to develop into a franchise player, who is giving you 18-20 points a night (and KP is super competitive).
I'm a big believer in KP but God test it. He's not one of the best nba players-- he takes bad shots and doesn't know what a pass is among other things. I like parts of his game his attitude and his potential but he is NOT one of the nabs best players
Come on dude. He's a 21 yr old kid with all kinds of talent but still trying to figure out what he is. Once he matures and gains more strength and confidence he's gonna be a MONSTER. Just watching him at times score so easily gives you the clear vision of what his potential is when he puts it all together. Doesn't matter what he is right now. Just use your eyes and pay attention to what he's able to do before he's even filled out his body.KP in a night when he clearly was winded and not in full game shape yet still put up 20/9/2 assists. He's just scratching the surface of what he can be. When KP matures and is getting 20+ shots a night he will be in a different place. We're fortunate to have him and even Willy gives us some real hope cuz he also has upside.
Yeah he has a long way to go. He takes a lot of bad shots--he doesnt know what a pass is--hes an underwhelming rebounder/defender for 7-3. Hes a GOOD young player but FAR from anointed anything yet. The other poster puts him in the category of star of which he is not.
Jmpasq wrote:Im with you my confidence in him has been shaken. I dont see a superstar at all. One of the worst rebounding 7 footers I have ever seen.Melo and Rose have rubbed off on him in a really bad way. He has no business shooting under 50%. I am sick every time I watch him play knowing we had Towns and we let him slip away. We ended up with the slightly better Andrea Bargnani, Porzingis is one of the most overrated players in the NBABRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I mean name me a single team that had talent like Melo/KP together that loses 90% of their games. It just doesn't happen. We are way too talented at the top to be that bad. It's part of the whole Melo conundrum. It's why Phil went after Rose and Noah/Lee. He saw a team that had enough talent on paper with KP/Melo to win 30 games. So add some vets who have won wherever they have played in the past (like Rose/Noah/Lee) and maybe you can push it to 45 and make a playoff run. It didn't work out.Even if Phil had found takers for Rose and Lee, we would still be competitive so long as KP and Melo were on the team. The problem is just that. Melo and KP alone make this team 30 wins good (at minimum). Take away KP maybe we drop to 25. Take away Melo, we can drop to 20. Not a single tanking team has the Melo/KP combo of talent. So be realistic. Tell me how we tank, while also realizing Melo has a NTC and KP is a young star who you want to develop into a franchise player, who is giving you 18-20 points a night (and KP is super competitive).
I'm a big believer in KP but God test it. He's not one of the best nba players-- he takes bad shots and doesn't know what a pass is among other things. I like parts of his game his attitude and his potential but he is NOT one of the nabs best players
Come on dude. He's a 21 yr old kid with all kinds of talent but still trying to figure out what he is. Once he matures and gains more strength and confidence he's gonna be a MONSTER. Just watching him at times score so easily gives you the clear vision of what his potential is when he puts it all together. Doesn't matter what he is right now. Just use your eyes and pay attention to what he's able to do before he's even filled out his body.KP in a night when he clearly was winded and not in full game shape yet still put up 20/9/2 assists. He's just scratching the surface of what he can be. When KP matures and is getting 20+ shots a night he will be in a different place. We're fortunate to have him and even Willy gives us some real hope cuz he also has upside.
Yeah he has a long way to go. He takes a lot of bad shots--he doesnt know what a pass is--hes an underwhelming rebounder/defender for 7-3. Hes a GOOD young player but FAR from anointed anything yet. The other poster puts him in the category of star of which he is not.
KP isn't close to what he's going to be. Right now he's still filling out his frame and also he's playing with Melo whereas KAT is getting more of the focus on his team. We have to allow KP time to fully develop before making a final judgment on just how good he can be. He's a slow developer physically which some guys are. That doesn't mean his upside is any less than KAT's. We're fortunate to have gotten KP. It could've been a miss but KP clearly has tons of talent.
nixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Im with you my confidence in him has been shaken. I dont see a superstar at all. One of the worst rebounding 7 footers I have ever seen.Melo and Rose have rubbed off on him in a really bad way. He has no business shooting under 50%. I am sick every time I watch him play knowing we had Towns and we let him slip away. We ended up with the slightly better Andrea Bargnani, Porzingis is one of the most overrated players in the NBABRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I mean name me a single team that had talent like Melo/KP together that loses 90% of their games. It just doesn't happen. We are way too talented at the top to be that bad. It's part of the whole Melo conundrum. It's why Phil went after Rose and Noah/Lee. He saw a team that had enough talent on paper with KP/Melo to win 30 games. So add some vets who have won wherever they have played in the past (like Rose/Noah/Lee) and maybe you can push it to 45 and make a playoff run. It didn't work out.Even if Phil had found takers for Rose and Lee, we would still be competitive so long as KP and Melo were on the team. The problem is just that. Melo and KP alone make this team 30 wins good (at minimum). Take away KP maybe we drop to 25. Take away Melo, we can drop to 20. Not a single tanking team has the Melo/KP combo of talent. So be realistic. Tell me how we tank, while also realizing Melo has a NTC and KP is a young star who you want to develop into a franchise player, who is giving you 18-20 points a night (and KP is super competitive).
I'm a big believer in KP but God test it. He's not one of the best nba players-- he takes bad shots and doesn't know what a pass is among other things. I like parts of his game his attitude and his potential but he is NOT one of the nabs best players
Come on dude. He's a 21 yr old kid with all kinds of talent but still trying to figure out what he is. Once he matures and gains more strength and confidence he's gonna be a MONSTER. Just watching him at times score so easily gives you the clear vision of what his potential is when he puts it all together. Doesn't matter what he is right now. Just use your eyes and pay attention to what he's able to do before he's even filled out his body.KP in a night when he clearly was winded and not in full game shape yet still put up 20/9/2 assists. He's just scratching the surface of what he can be. When KP matures and is getting 20+ shots a night he will be in a different place. We're fortunate to have him and even Willy gives us some real hope cuz he also has upside.
Yeah he has a long way to go. He takes a lot of bad shots--he doesnt know what a pass is--hes an underwhelming rebounder/defender for 7-3. Hes a GOOD young player but FAR from anointed anything yet. The other poster puts him in the category of star of which he is not.
KP isn't close to what he's going to be. Right now he's still filling out his frame and also he's playing with Melo whereas KAT is getting more of the focus on his team. We have to allow KP time to fully develop before making a final judgment on just how good he can be. He's a slow developer physically which some guys are. That doesn't mean his upside is any less than KAT's. We're fortunate to have gotten KP. It could've been a miss but KP clearly has tons of talent.
Jmpasq wrote:KP is a nice player but he isnt going to carry a team. Solid 20 and 8 player but inefficient for his sizenixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Im with you my confidence in him has been shaken. I dont see a superstar at all. One of the worst rebounding 7 footers I have ever seen.Melo and Rose have rubbed off on him in a really bad way. He has no business shooting under 50%. I am sick every time I watch him play knowing we had Towns and we let him slip away. We ended up with the slightly better Andrea Bargnani, Porzingis is one of the most overrated players in the NBABRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I mean name me a single team that had talent like Melo/KP together that loses 90% of their games. It just doesn't happen. We are way too talented at the top to be that bad. It's part of the whole Melo conundrum. It's why Phil went after Rose and Noah/Lee. He saw a team that had enough talent on paper with KP/Melo to win 30 games. So add some vets who have won wherever they have played in the past (like Rose/Noah/Lee) and maybe you can push it to 45 and make a playoff run. It didn't work out.Even if Phil had found takers for Rose and Lee, we would still be competitive so long as KP and Melo were on the team. The problem is just that. Melo and KP alone make this team 30 wins good (at minimum). Take away KP maybe we drop to 25. Take away Melo, we can drop to 20. Not a single tanking team has the Melo/KP combo of talent. So be realistic. Tell me how we tank, while also realizing Melo has a NTC and KP is a young star who you want to develop into a franchise player, who is giving you 18-20 points a night (and KP is super competitive).
I'm a big believer in KP but God test it. He's not one of the best nba players-- he takes bad shots and doesn't know what a pass is among other things. I like parts of his game his attitude and his potential but he is NOT one of the nabs best players
Come on dude. He's a 21 yr old kid with all kinds of talent but still trying to figure out what he is. Once he matures and gains more strength and confidence he's gonna be a MONSTER. Just watching him at times score so easily gives you the clear vision of what his potential is when he puts it all together. Doesn't matter what he is right now. Just use your eyes and pay attention to what he's able to do before he's even filled out his body.KP in a night when he clearly was winded and not in full game shape yet still put up 20/9/2 assists. He's just scratching the surface of what he can be. When KP matures and is getting 20+ shots a night he will be in a different place. We're fortunate to have him and even Willy gives us some real hope cuz he also has upside.
Yeah he has a long way to go. He takes a lot of bad shots--he doesnt know what a pass is--hes an underwhelming rebounder/defender for 7-3. Hes a GOOD young player but FAR from anointed anything yet. The other poster puts him in the category of star of which he is not.
KP isn't close to what he's going to be. Right now he's still filling out his frame and also he's playing with Melo whereas KAT is getting more of the focus on his team. We have to allow KP time to fully develop before making a final judgment on just how good he can be. He's a slow developer physically which some guys are. That doesn't mean his upside is any less than KAT's. We're fortunate to have gotten KP. It could've been a miss but KP clearly has tons of talent.
You're assessment may be premature. KP isn't even close to being physically mature yet. There's another level his game is going to get to when his body catches up! If you think KP is gonna stay where he is you're dead wrong. You would've been wrong about Dirk too!