Knicks · Years down the line we will see how this half of the season ruined us for years to come. (page 1)

Ball, Fultz, and Frank will all become superstars. We will draft miles bridges and realize quickly he's a bust. No free agents will come here and Melo will keep us prisoner for another year. Then we will resign Rose and start the whole process another year failing to just make the playoffs again. Wasting KPs prime years with mediocre veterans obsessed with win now mode. Damn, we might even trade him. Phils reputation ruined by making us even worse than before.

"Remember the 2017 draft?" they will say "we had a chance at drafting the next jordan in Lonzo Ball/Fultz, but melo decided to push for a pointless sweep in the first round by the cavs to fulfill his selfish needs of living in nyc for his brand and being a pretend winner in the short term. Fuck KP" he will say.

Let's just see how this plays out. There is no Jordan in this draft. No obvious franchise player. A top 10-12 pick should land a good player. No need to assume the worse case scenario years in advance. It's unhealthy. We weren't going to lose every game the rest of the season. We will still beat the really bad teams.

Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

While I'm seriously disappointed in how one win pushes the Knicks several spots back in the draft, I must say this is something that is hard to control. We all know this team can play better than it has and they could easily go on a mini win streak.

The only way to prevent this is to artificially shut down Melo, which I don't see them doing. This draft has a LOT of talent that is about on the same level. No Lebron or KD type at the top. Some really good players will be available in this draft just about everywhere. It's just gonna make it harder on the scouts to hit a home run on that 1st pick if we fall further back.

Right now the mocks keep moving around but Tankathon has Miles Bridges and De'aaron Fox still on the board at 10. Let's hope the Knicks luck out.

crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.

This brought tears to my eyes.....

Alot of fans that troll social media don't seem to get this.... but they will 5 years from now cry that the Knicks could have gotten x,v,z just like they keep talking about Steph Curry.

We must have patience. Melo might be retired in 5 years.... nobody is going to care about him.... The fact is these rookies coming in now, will own the league in 5 years.

We gotta get our heads right. Alot is at stake here. Fuck how Melo feels

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.

At this point they better make the playoffs cuz the fan base will be livid if they only get close and ruin draft position for NOTHING!!! This team always had the talent to be better and now it looks like they're playing better and the schedule is so much lighter now. They're gonna win games! There's nothing that we can do but hope they get in at this point.

EnySpree wrote:This brought tears to my eyes.....

Alot of fans that troll social media don't seem to get this.... but they will 5 years from now cry that the Knicks could have gotten x,v,z just like they keep talking about Steph Curry.

We must have patience. Melo might be retired in 5 years.... nobody is going to care about him.... The fact is these rookies coming in now, will own the league in 5 years.

We gotta get our heads right. Alot is at stake here. Fuck how Melo feels

Deep down in your heart you know the Knicks are gonna start winning games now. It's inevitable IMO.
Once Phil didn't move Rose you could kind of see this happening. LT getting healthy and Baker getting minutes are all coming together with a weak schedule!!!

Totally on point. These are the reasons to regret being a Knicks fan. We did this when Curry came out did this when LeBron came out. Repeating the same mistakes again and again. Make the damn effort to tank.

if this truly happens I might be done with this franchise for good

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This brought tears to my eyes.....

Alot of fans that troll social media don't seem to get this.... but they will 5 years from now cry that the Knicks could have gotten x,v,z just like they keep talking about Steph Curry.

We must have patience. Melo might be retired in 5 years.... nobody is going to care about him.... The fact is these rookies coming in now, will own the league in 5 years.

We gotta get our heads right. Alot is at stake here. Fuck how Melo feels

Deep down in your heart you know the Knicks are gonna start winning games now. It's inevitable IMO.
Once Phil didn't move Rose you could kind of see this happening. LT getting healthy and Baker getting minutes are all coming together with a weak schedule!!!

I'm just at a loss for words...😧

KP4Life wrote:Ball, Fultz, and Frank will all become superstars. We will draft miles bridges and realize quickly he's a bust. No free agents will come here and Melo will keep us prisoner for another year. Then we will resign Rose and start the whole process another year failing to just make the playoffs again. Wasting KPs prime years with mediocre veterans obsessed with win now mode. Damn, we might even trade him. Phils reputation ruined by making us even worse than before.

"Remember the 2017 draft?" they will say "we had a chance at drafting the next jordan in Lonzo Ball/Fultz, but melo decided to push for a pointless sweep in the first round by the cavs to fulfill his selfish needs of living in nyc for his brand and being a pretend winner in the short term. Fuck KP" he will say.

Yup, depressing and annoying.

Despite all the losing of extremely close games we all knew this team had the ABILITY to play better. The decision not to move or waive Rose left just enough talent on this team to make a run possible. Melo and Rose are still very capable and now with KP, Willy, CLee, LT, Baker, Holiday and KOQ this is still a talented roster.

They seem to be defending at a higher level now! If they continue to gain chemistry on D then IMO they can go on a run to close out the year and get back in the Playoffs. I couldn't take it if they only got close and didn't make it. That would be such a cruel result for the fan base. So now we have to hope this is not in vain.

One thing to note is a ton of teams in the west are still playing for that 8th spot. New Orleans and Portland should go on a little bit of a run. But i don't see us finishing better than 8 or 9. We will likely draft between 8-11.

this thread doesnt get made if Knicks lose to Orl

There is no reality here

fishmike wrote:this thread doesnt get made if Knicks lose to Orl

There is no reality here

The problem is the Knicks are playing better! It's not a fluke that they won. This team always had the ability to win games if they simply defended better and lately the D has improved. LT being healthy makes a MASSIVE difference and now that Baker is taking BJ's minutes that's even more defense!

The schedule is not tough enough to prevent this team from winning enough games to get back into the playoffs. Nothing is guaranteed but they have a legit shot to get back in. THIS IS VERY REAL.

Nuff said... So close so close

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.

At this point they better make the playoffs cuz the fan base will be livid if they only get close and ruin draft position for NOTHING!!! This team always had the talent to be better and now it looks like they're playing better and the schedule is so much lighter now. They're gonna win games! There's nothing that we can do but hope they get in at this point.

Right, and how would you even be able to evaluate anyone on the roster if they start jacking up wild shots, turning the ball over, missing FT's playing bad defense for.

If kp and willy play really bad on purpose for the sake of a draft picks, or Lee shoots 10% from DT, or Holiday plays lazy defense. wouldn't you then come to the conclusion that all these players suck and the entire roster should be revamp.

Or would you be interested in the players finally coming together down the stretch, rose and melo passing more, better team defense, and phil doing hhis homework and drafting a solid player anywhere in the draft , like picking up a willy type late in the draft..

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.

At this point they better make the playoffs cuz the fan base will be livid if they only get close and ruin draft position for NOTHING!!! This team always had the talent to be better and now it looks like they're playing better and the schedule is so much lighter now. They're gonna win games! There's nothing that we can do but hope they get in at this point.

Right, and how would you even be able to evaluate anyone on the roster if they start jacking up wild shots, turning the ball over, missing FT's playing bad defense for.

If kp and willy play really bad on purpose for the sake of a draft picks, or Lee shoots 10% from DT, or Holiday plays lazy defense. wouldn't you then come to the conclusion that all these players suck and the entire roster should be revamp.

Or would you be interested in the players finally coming together down the stretch, rose and melo passing more, better team defense, and phil doing hhis homework and drafting a solid player anywhere in the draft , like picking up a willy type late in the draft..

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Agree completely. Trying to win right now is the height of idiocy. We will regret this as soon as the season is over. Another Phil special.

But how do you lose against a team that bad? Baker is playing more minutes, so there is a push towards development for the future. Melo, Rose, and KP are still here, so it's tough to be so bad that you lose every game.

At this point they better make the playoffs cuz the fan base will be livid if they only get close and ruin draft position for NOTHING!!! This team always had the talent to be better and now it looks like they're playing better and the schedule is so much lighter now. They're gonna win games! There's nothing that we can do but hope they get in at this point.

Right, and how would you even be able to evaluate anyone on the roster if they start jacking up wild shots, turning the ball over, missing FT's playing bad defense for.

If kp and willy play really bad on purpose for the sake of a draft picks, or Lee shoots 10% from DT, or Holiday plays lazy defense. wouldn't you then come to the conclusion that all these players suck and the entire roster should be revamp.

Or would you be interested in the players finally coming together down the stretch, rose and melo passing more, better team defense, and phil doing hhis homework and drafting a solid player anywhere in the draft , like picking up a willy type late in the draft..

It was never about the players tanking. That doesn't happen. The front Office makes moves that create a weakened team so that the team loses. Phil didn't do that so the team is organically either going to WIN or LOSE legitimately. My guess is they will win more games because they always had the talent to win more.

The issue was the DEFENSE. What we see now is the Defense is tightening up and the defensive effort and chemistry is coming together. The other Lotto teams aren't doing that and those teams don't have a Melo or Rose who can raise their level of play. We've all seen Melo get hot for a month!

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Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...