Knicks · Why doesn't phil speak (page 1)

The New York Knicks intend to keep Phil Jackson as president but his intentions for the direction of the franchise are unclear and he hasn't addressed the media in weeks.

Jackson also doesn't like speaking to opposing executives.

One NBA general manager told the New York Daily News last week in New Orleans that his team "can't get a hold of Phil. It's crazy."

On the front office level, relationships are a critical component of doing business. Relationships between teams allow mutually beneficial trades to happen. The one major trade Jackson has made, acquiring Derrick Rose from the Bulls, can be linked to his former player John Paxson.

Jackson reportedly has few friends around the NBA outside of those he's worked with directly in the past. There is a notion that some executives of teams Jackson has openly ridiculed in the past aren't interested in doing business with him.

There are also several veterans unhappy with the direction of the team and don't like having to run the triangle offense.

So Gains picks the drafts, Mills contacts other GMS.

What does phil do for 12 million $ a yr aside from tweeting and bullying coaches and players to run his beloved triangle or GTFO. no relationship with other presidents and Gms, Labron already made it known..Phils is pretty much a jerk.

I like the guys and his philosophies ..if he where coaching

Results speak louder then words. Or, he could just be bitter and getting senile. Things haven't really gone his way the last three years. 12M a year yes, but money can't buy happiness. Both the Lakers and his fiance kicked him to the curb and they both know him better then anybody. Knicks specialize in overpaying for talent past its prime, Phil is no exception.

Look - I've been of the opinion that anyone but Dolan was better - and that is still the case.

But at this point- 3 years in, the numbers speak for themselves.

We have KP and very little else in terms of what we're building this franchise with.

And even here, KP is still a ways away from being what he will be - which we hope will be great - but based on his ups and downs this season, hardly clear.

He doesn't speak because everything he says will get twisted by the NY media. But i wish he did. I think it would help.

franco12 wrote:Look - I've been of the opinion that anyone but Dolan was better - and that is still the case.

But at this point- 3 years in, the numbers speak for themselves.

We have KP and very little else in terms of what we're building this franchise with.

And even here, KP is still a ways away from being what he will be - which we hope will be great - but based on his ups and downs this season, hardly clear.

His ups and downs are all a result of his minor injuries and ailments he has had since Christmas. It definitely doesn't change his long-term outlook at all. He's going to be very good when he figures it all out. People forget how much better he has actually gotten this season in many areas.

I'm trying to figure out why the Bucks president won't speak. I'm really interested in what he had to say... whoever he is

Can we cut the BS??? Phil is the PRESIDENT of the Knicks and when he came in it was clear that Mills was going to be doing the GM work and Gaines has been the main guy on drafts. Phil is at the top PRESIDING over the major decisions. He's done some bad and some good. Really the task is as we all know a very difficult one.
Trying to put something around Melo by all the while still really having a process of building up the youth on the roster.

KP is not a small thing and he's shown a LOT already at a young age as has Willy. The 2 best young prospects are the youngest on the team and that is a very good thing. We will be looking to add more young talent this summer.

TEAM ROSTER
NO.	NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT	COLLEGE	         2016-2017 SALARY
6	Kristaps Porzingis	PF	21	7-3	240	 	         $4,317,720
14	Willy Hernangomez	C	22	6-11	240	 	         $1,350,000
31	Ron Baker	        SG	23	6-4	220	Wichita State	 $543,471
2	Maurice Ndour	        SF	24	6-9	200	Ohio	         $543,471
40	Marshall Plumlee	C	24	7-0	250	Duke	         $543,471
4	Chasson Randle	        PG	24	6-2	185	Stanford	 $143,860
9	Kyle O'Quinn	        C	26	6-10	250	Norfolk State	 $3,918,750
8	Justin Holiday	        SG	27	6-6	185	Washington	 $1,015,696
91	Mindaugas Kuzminskas	SF	27	6-9	215	 	         $2,898,000
25	Derrick Rose	        PG	28	6-3	190	Memphis	         $21,323,252
42	Lance Thomas	        SF	28	6-8	235	Duke	         $6,191,000
5	Courtney Lee	        SG	31	6-5	200	Western Kentucky $11,242,000
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	32	6-8	240	Syracuse	 $24,559,380
13	Joakim Noah	        C	32	6-11	230	Florida	         $17,000,000
18	Sasha Vujacic	        SG	32	6-7	195	 	         $980,431

If Phil chooses he can move away from the Melo plan and commit completely to the KP plan. It's not a bad place to start from. He's got picks every year and cap space. We've got to start looking at this from a long term point of view.

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:Look - I've been of the opinion that anyone but Dolan was better - and that is still the case.

But at this point- 3 years in, the numbers speak for themselves.

We have KP and very little else in terms of what we're building this franchise with.

And even here, KP is still a ways away from being what he will be - which we hope will be great - but based on his ups and downs this season, hardly clear.

His ups and downs are all a result of his minor injuries and ailments he has had since Christmas. It definitely doesn't change his long-term outlook at all. He's going to be very good when he figures it all out. People forget how much better he has actually gotten this season in many areas.

I keep looking at this article and these stats (as of Jan 2017) when guaging KP, and obviously these are cherry-picked some but they are still spectacular.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/knicks...

Porzingis has played a total of 108 games in his NBA career thus far. He has blocked 207 shots and knocked down 157 3-pointers. No only is he the first player in NBA history with more than 200 rejections and 150 treys this early in his career, but putting those stats in context helps to highlight their absurdity.

Porzingis has hit the same exact number of 3-pointers in his first 108 career games as Ray Allen did in Allen’s first 108 career contests. KP has more made treys than all-time great shooters such as James Harden, Michael Redd and Chauncey Billups to this point in their careers. In addition, he has blocked more shots in his first 108 games than Yao Ming (201) and Dwight Howard (175) did in their first 108 games.

Knicks fans want instant results and crave so badly for a savior we put unrealistic expectations on KP.

Look at DeRozan, a beast these days; he is now just 27 (28 in Aug) and it was only about 2-3 seasons ago where he really started to shine (at 25?). Dude is shooting 28% 3pts this year and topped out last year at 34%, which is just about what KP did from 3pt land in his rookie season.

Or Steph Curry, didn't find his mojo until about his 4th year and there were rumors GS didn't want to sign him long term cause of his ankle injuries. James Harden? Needed to get out of the shadow of Westbrook and Durant.

The list goes on. EVERYONE knew that KP needed at least 3 seasons to figure out his body (which is why I find it utterly confounding when folks say he needs to be an instant post up player). He is not LeBron, Magic, Jordan, Shaq, Durant, whomever and will need time. He is ahead of Dirk at a similar age. All he needs to do is keep progressing; as soon as he has an offseason where nothing has really changed, then we need to start worrying.

Phil absolutely doesn't need to talk with the media. I also wish he wouldn't tweet or communicate through his ghost writers either. But being reachable and having open communications with other teams is a part of his job. It isn't a good thing when you are grouped with Vlade as the most unreachable club pres. This a deficit that he could easily correct. It also is a criticism that has been out there for awhile.

knicks1248 wrote:

The New York Knicks intend to keep Phil Jackson as president but his intentions for the direction of the franchise are unclear and he hasn't addressed the media in weeks.

Jackson also doesn't like speaking to opposing executives.

One NBA general manager told the New York Daily News last week in New Orleans that his team "can't get a hold of Phil. It's crazy."

On the front office level, relationships are a critical component of doing business. Relationships between teams allow mutually beneficial trades to happen. The one major trade Jackson has made, acquiring Derrick Rose from the Bulls, can be linked to his former player John Paxson.

Jackson reportedly has few friends around the NBA outside of those he's worked with directly in the past. There is a notion that some executives of teams Jackson has openly ridiculed in the past aren't interested in doing business with him.

There are also several veterans unhappy with the direction of the team and don't like having to run the triangle offense.

So Gains picks the drafts, Mills contacts other GMS.

What does phil do for 12 million $ a yr aside from tweeting and bullying coaches and players to run his beloved triangle or GTFO. no relationship with other presidents and Gms, Labron already made it known..Phils is pretty much a jerk.

I like the guys and his philosophies ..if he where coaching

Fake new. Lets see Phil made deals, signed FAs made draft day deals. I don't know man just seems like a Daily News agenda driven article.

Phil doesn't speak becuase:
1. The media will twist what he says to make new out of nothing
2. It's less effort; the dude is just lazy
3. He really doesn't give a crap about communicating with the fans. His role with the Knicks has always been about him.

Talk is chip.
Phil has enough $$$ not to be chip.
And enough rings to not give a f..ck about NY fans instant gratification addiction.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:Look - I've been of the opinion that anyone but Dolan was better - and that is still the case.

But at this point- 3 years in, the numbers speak for themselves.

We have KP and very little else in terms of what we're building this franchise with.

And even here, KP is still a ways away from being what he will be - which we hope will be great - but based on his ups and downs this season, hardly clear.

His ups and downs are all a result of his minor injuries and ailments he has had since Christmas. It definitely doesn't change his long-term outlook at all. He's going to be very good when he figures it all out. People forget how much better he has actually gotten this season in many areas.

I keep looking at this article and these stats (as of Jan 2017) when guaging KP, and obviously these are cherry-picked some but they are still spectacular.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/knicks...

Porzingis has played a total of 108 games in his NBA career thus far. He has blocked 207 shots and knocked down 157 3-pointers. No only is he the first player in NBA history with more than 200 rejections and 150 treys this early in his career, but putting those stats in context helps to highlight their absurdity.

Porzingis has hit the same exact number of 3-pointers in his first 108 career games as Ray Allen did in Allen’s first 108 career contests. KP has more made treys than all-time great shooters such as James Harden, Michael Redd and Chauncey Billups to this point in their careers. In addition, he has blocked more shots in his first 108 games than Yao Ming (201) and Dwight Howard (175) did in their first 108 games.

Knicks fans want instant results and crave so badly for a savior we put unrealistic expectations on KP.

Look at DeRozan, a beast these days; he is now just 27 (28 in Aug) and it was only about 2-3 seasons ago where he really started to shine (at 25?). Dude is shooting 28% 3pts this year and topped out last year at 34%, which is just about what KP did from 3pt land in his rookie season.

Or Steph Curry, didn't find his mojo until about his 4th year and there were rumors GS didn't want to sign him long term cause of his ankle injuries. James Harden? Needed to get out of the shadow of Westbrook and Durant.

The list goes on. EVERYONE knew that KP needed at least 3 seasons to figure out his body (which is why I find it utterly confounding when folks say he needs to be an instant post up player). He is not LeBron, Magic, Jordan, Shaq, Durant, whomever and will need time. He is ahead of Dirk at a similar age. All he needs to do is keep progressing; as soon as he has an offseason where nothing has really changed, then we need to start worrying.

Absolutely right on everything.

When the Knicks hit the 37 win mark down the road Phil will speak. If they win at a rate greater than 33% during his tenure he might speak. Until then, the peacock should not show his feathers.

The team as no direction, basically in a flux, and the media is in kill mode about the multitude of questionable moves that has the team where it's at now.. Phil promise to be more media friendly when he took this job, and clearly that has not been the case to say the least.

The only other president that had a tight lip was Isaiah (upon Dolans request) That's why I compare the two. Under their watch the knicks have been brutally bad.

Isaiah may have ruin any chance of us being a factor in FA in the years to come by signing and inheriting bad contract. Phil has made this an undesirable destination for FA just by his actions. He act's like a "GOD FATHER" but show's zero loyalty to anyone not name RAMBIS, ROSEN, or GAINES

It's a shame we have to go back and forth on this board with each other because none of us honestly knows whats really going on, some of it is obvious and some of it is head scratching BS.

Seems like the coach speaks for the team every nite. What do other team presidents say during the season that we lack?
What about Mills, the defacto GM?
Phil is not just the team president, he is also "PHIL JAX" and he came with baggage and a strong history.
Naturally because the teams lack of success Isola and SAS make good ratings hating on him.
Fans hate the big money guys when they don't succeed. Melo gets some, and with Phil he gets plenty.

Nalod wrote:Seems like the coach speaks for the team every nite. What do other team presidents say during the season that we lack?
What about Mills, the defacto GM?
Phil is not just the team president, he is also "PHIL JAX" and he came with baggage and a strong history.
Naturally because the teams lack of success Isola and SAS make good ratings hating on him.
Fans hate the big money guys when they don't succeed. Melo gets some, and with Phil he gets plenty.

He doesn't have to speak to the media. It would be nice if he didn't leak things to his ghost writers or tweet things that create drama. But he does need to communicate with his peers that run other teams.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seems like the coach speaks for the team every nite. What do other team presidents say during the season that we lack?
What about Mills, the defacto GM?
Phil is not just the team president, he is also "PHIL JAX" and he came with baggage and a strong history.
Naturally because the teams lack of success Isola and SAS make good ratings hating on him.
Fans hate the big money guys when they don't succeed. Melo gets some, and with Phil he gets plenty.

He doesn't have to speak to the media. It would be nice if he didn't leak things to his ghost writers or tweet things that create drama. But he does need to communicate with his peers that run other teams.

Crush, there are enough articles and quotes of Phil himself saying that Mills is the Knicks day to day guy who handles all communication and interaction with other teams, so much so that I know this. 1 anonymous quoted person saying they can't reach Phil directly is a lonely newspaper looking for clicks and looking to rile up fans with pointless drivel.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seems like the coach speaks for the team every nite. What do other team presidents say during the season that we lack?
What about Mills, the defacto GM?
Phil is not just the team president, he is also "PHIL JAX" and he came with baggage and a strong history.
Naturally because the teams lack of success Isola and SAS make good ratings hating on him.
Fans hate the big money guys when they don't succeed. Melo gets some, and with Phil he gets plenty.

He doesn't have to speak to the media. It would be nice if he didn't leak things to his ghost writers or tweet things that create drama. But he does need to communicate with his peers that run other teams.

Crush, there are enough articles and quotes of Phil himself saying that Mills is the Knicks day to day guy who handles all communication and interaction with other teams, so much so that I know this. 1 anonymous quoted person saying they can't reach Phil directly is a lonely newspaper looking for clicks and looking to rile up fans with pointless drivel.

It isn't one anonymous quoted person. I listen to a lot of podcasts and guys that were in the league or are in the league say this about Phil. It isn't something new because the Post or Daily News printed it.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seems like the coach speaks for the team every nite. What do other team presidents say during the season that we lack?
What about Mills, the defacto GM?
Phil is not just the team president, he is also "PHIL JAX" and he came with baggage and a strong history.
Naturally because the teams lack of success Isola and SAS make good ratings hating on him.
Fans hate the big money guys when they don't succeed. Melo gets some, and with Phil he gets plenty.

He doesn't have to speak to the media. It would be nice if he didn't leak things to his ghost writers or tweet things that create drama. But he does need to communicate with his peers that run other teams.

Crush, there are enough articles and quotes of Phil himself saying that Mills is the Knicks day to day guy who handles all communication and interaction with other teams, so much so that I know this. 1 anonymous quoted person saying they can't reach Phil directly is a lonely newspaper looking for clicks and looking to rile up fans with pointless drivel.

It isn't one anonymous quoted person. I listen to a lot of podcasts and guys that were in the league or are in the league say this about Phil. It isn't something new because the Post or Daily News printed it.

And? Mills does the day to day.