Knicks · Game Thread: "New York Knicks Vs Orlando Magic" 7pm (Really wanting 4th pick vs wanting 11th pick) (page 9)

4Q - 1:33
ORL 101 NYK 111

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:So Melo couldn't lead this team to the playoffs?
-4.9 sticks out like a sore thumb right now

Uh... they beat this same Magic team last week with Melo, while Vucevic was playing, and led comfortably the whole game.

Thanks for making my point
Melo adds little value to the team
Like I've been saying for a while
He's a great a scorer
But his net impact is neither here or there
This team wins 25-30 games without Melo

Now trade Melo for a 3nD wing and some bench depth for the 25 million he takes up the team makes the payoffs IMO

How does Melo's supposed non impact account for Vucevic being out?

You want to talk about impact? This game turned when KP/Willy went out and KOQ came in to end the third. Or does not that fit your narrative?

4Q - 0:53
ORL 102 NYK 111

SocraticBallin22 wrote:I would not have brought KP back in. He's been playing like crap all game.

Really? I thought he was playing pretty well, especially on offense.

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:So Melo couldn't lead this team to the playoffs?
-4.9 sticks out like a sore thumb right now

Uh... they beat this same Magic team last week with Melo, while Vucevic was playing, and led comfortably the whole game.

Thanks for making my point
Melo adds little value to the team
Like I've been saying for a while
He's a great a scorer
But his net impact is neither here or there
This team wins 25-30 games without Melo

Now trade Melo for a 3nD wing and some bench depth for the 25 million he takes up the team makes the payoffs IMO

How does Melo's supposed non impact account for Vucevic being out?

You want to talk about impact? This game turned when KP/Willy went out and KOQ came in to end the third. Or does not that fit your narrative?

To be fair magic went ice cold. Is that becAuse of koq? I acknowledge his contribution but I thought it was good team D. Not great just good w no glaring holes for a change

Rose -23 in 27min

Randle +29 in 25min

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Randle in anti-Tank. He is hurting our top 6 pick right now proving he should have made this team out of training camp (something I've been bellyaching about all season).

Only thing I don't understand is why the Sixers cut him...they can use a PG, but did not resign him.

He has looked good, though. Come from a good college program and had a good year overseas...Sasha should have been let go at some point, even though he is a good citizen, and triangle guy.

No idea about the Sixers, but Randle has Triangle experience at Westchester.

He's also +29 tonight in 22min.

I don't care why Philly waived him after their trade; they are terribly run franchise (like we have been). All I know is we are really lucky to have had the opportunity to bring him back after making the mistake of letting him go. And now that he's given a chance to play, he's showing he is 1st round talent.

4Q - 0:20
ORL 102 NYK 111

PS we were 27 of 28 from the line tonight.

Knixkik wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:I would not have brought KP back in. He's been playing like crap all game.

Really? I thought he was playing pretty well, especially on offense.

His defense was abysmal and that bench unit had it going on both ends of court.

Knixkik wrote:

magicTs wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:fuck tanking i want to make the playoffs Go Knicks!!!! real fans dont tank

Lmao. We definitely won't make the play offs and yet we won't tank. And so we will continue to be complete also rans for years to come. Just great. Whole franchise has rocks for brains.

Again, what do you expect the knicks to do? How do they tank this game?

Play Rose for 48 minutes. He's -23 pts in 27 mins.

Randle was +27 in 26 mins.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Randle in anti-Tank. He is hurting our top 6 pick right now proving he should have made this team out of training camp (something I've been bellyaching about all season).

Only thing I don't understand is why the Sixers cut him...they can use a PG, but did not resign him.

He has looked good, though. Come from a good college program and had a good year overseas...Sasha should have been let go at some point, even though he is a good citizen, and triangle guy.

No idea about the Sixers, but Randle has Triangle experience at Westchester.

He's also +29 tonight in 22min.

I don't care why Philly waived him after their trade; they are terribly run franchise (like we have been). All I know is we are really lucky to have had the opportunity to bring him back after making the mistake of letting him go. And now that he's given a chance to play, he's showing he is 1st round talent.

Yeah, I hope he plays at least 20min a night the rest of the season. I think he has a lot more potential than Baker to be a real rotation player.

FINAL
ORL 105 NYK 113

magicTs wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

magicTs wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:fuck tanking i want to make the playoffs Go Knicks!!!! real fans dont tank

Lmao. We definitely won't make the play offs and yet we won't tank. And so we will continue to be complete also rans for years to come. Just great. Whole franchise has rocks for brains.

Again, what do you expect the knicks to do? How do they tank this game?

Play Rose for 48 minutes. He's -23 pts in 27 mins.

Randle was +27 in 26 mins.

The goal is to see what young guys do too. It goes hand and hand with tanking. Orlando is simply tank proof.

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:So Melo couldn't lead this team to the playoffs?
-4.9 sticks out like a sore thumb right now

Uh... they beat this same Magic team last week with Melo, while Vucevic was playing, and led comfortably the whole game.

Thanks for making my point
Melo adds little value to the team
Like I've been saying for a while
He's a great a scorer
But his net impact is neither here or there
This team wins 25-30 games without Melo

Now trade Melo for a 3nD wing and some bench depth for the 25 million he takes up the team makes the payoffs IMO

How does Melo's supposed non impact account for Vucevic being out?

You want to talk about impact? This game turned when KP/Willy went out and KOQ came in to end the third. Or does not that fit your narrative?

KP was important in the 2nd quarter and Willy is a rookie
I never have said Willy and KP lead the Knicks to the playoffs
I've said Melo has enough talent in NY to get to the playoffs
This team with KP, Rose, role players like Lance. holiday, OQuinn, Lee could win 30 games as is.

So you want to ignore the -4.9 rating Melo has or that he's the fifth worst shooter in the league in the clutch.

A real star or franchise player easily takes this team to the playoffs in the East. No doubt about it. But it's actually a blessing Melo is who he is.

Knixkik wrote:

magicTs wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

magicTs wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:fuck tanking i want to make the playoffs Go Knicks!!!! real fans dont tank

Lmao. We definitely won't make the play offs and yet we won't tank. And so we will continue to be complete also rans for years to come. Just great. Whole franchise has rocks for brains.

Again, what do you expect the knicks to do? How do they tank this game?

Play Rose for 48 minutes. He's -23 pts in 27 mins.

Randle was +27 in 26 mins.

The goal is to see what young guys do too. It goes hand and hand with tanking. Orlando is simply tank proof.

They have zero outside shooting and all they did in the 4th quarter was pull up to take contested threes.

I wonder if Orlando was trying to lose on purpose? It seemed like they just stopped even attempting offense in the 4th.

Anyway, I'm happy about Randle's play tonight and I hope he earns more. KOQ played well. Holiday, too.