Knicks · In Randle We Trust... (page 2)

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

nixluva wrote:Randle is one of those guys that fell thru the draft cracks cuz he was older and they saw no upside. None of that matters in terms of how much he can help this team. Randle LITERALLY boosts his team when he steps on the floor and he showed this in Summer League.

He's proof that knowing what you're doing supersedes pure physical talent. Rose has all the physical talent even after all the surgery but no understanding of how to play the position!!!

You have established a legacy now just on one game? Temper it down, enjoy the moment. He has a partical guarantee for next year with us. Hopefully he sticks.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:Randle is one of those guys that fell thru the draft cracks cuz he was older and they saw no upside. None of that matters in terms of how much he can help this team. Randle LITERALLY boosts his team when he steps on the floor and he showed this in Summer League.

He's proof that knowing what you're doing supersedes pure physical talent. Rose has all the physical talent even after all the surgery but no understanding of how to play the position!!!

You have established a legacy now just on one game? Temper it down, enjoy the moment. He has a partical guarantee for next year with us. Hopefully he sticks.

I just wrote how Randle has shown positive impact before! He's a smarter player than BJ or Rose! He didn't even have a strong offensive game and STILL had a positive impact!!! I'm not gonna temper down my comments because it's not really about one game. Having watched Randle do the little things that our other guards don't do, THAT is a key indicator of his BB IQ and understanding of what needs to be done.

No one is suggesting he's a Star!!! This happens every time positive things are said about one of our players. The accusation that we're overrating or being premature in praising the player. That's not what this is about. If you're unfamiliar with Randle then perhaps you have more doubt or hesitation about him. There's a reason many of us wanted to see him make the roster.

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

I guess that depends on who you consider to be the Steph Curry we might miss out on. I worry about dropping too far down the Lottery myself but if that happens it's because we have 2 Nets games coming up. Kind of hard to play worse than a team like that. I've come to accept that the Knicks will win more of these games than we may want. SO SAD

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

I guess that depends on who you consider to be the Steph Curry we might miss out on. I worry about dropping too far down the Lottery myself but if that happens it's because we have 2 Nets games coming up. Kind of hard to play worse than a team like that. I've come to accept that the Knicks will win more of these games than we may want. SO SAD

I want either of the Kentucky guards, preference to Fox but would be ecstatic with Monk, (assuming we don't get a top 2 pick). I think both of those guys would be viewed as much better prospects if they weren't sharing the back court together. I have a feeling we're going to just miss out on the last available between the two...

nixluva wrote:Randle is one of those guys that fell thru the draft cracks cuz he was older and they saw no upside. None of that matters in terms of how much he can help this team. Randle LITERALLY boosts his team when he steps on the floor and he showed this in Summer League.

He's proof that knowing what you're doing supersedes pure physical talent. Rose has all the physical talent even after all the surgery but no understanding of how to play the position!!!

Yes... our summer league was terrible. He came in and the whole team changed. He took over and uplifted everyone else. Much like what he did last night. The kid has an aura about him.... I don't want to over state things but I have a great feeling about the guy.

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:Randle is one of those guys that fell thru the draft cracks cuz he was older and they saw no upside. None of that matters in terms of how much he can help this team. Randle LITERALLY boosts his team when he steps on the floor and he showed this in Summer League.

He's proof that knowing what you're doing supersedes pure physical talent. Rose has all the physical talent even after all the surgery but no understanding of how to play the position!!!

Yes... our summer league was terrible. He came in and the whole team changed. He took over and uplifted everyone else. Much like what he did last night. The kid has an aura about him.... I don't want to over state things but I have a great feeling about the guy.

I believe in "aura" rubbing off on players. Randle should have been with the team from the beginning. He is to good a shooter watch him play and see how easily he shoots threes. I'm not talking stand still three either these are degree of difficulty type theees. Step backs, two three feet beyond the arc.

Good job by Phil of recovering his blunder.

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

I guess that depends on who you consider to be the Steph Curry we might miss out on. I worry about dropping too far down the Lottery myself but if that happens it's because we have 2 Nets games coming up. Kind of hard to play worse than a team like that. I've come to accept that the Knicks will win more of these games than we may want. SO SAD

I want either of the Kentucky guards, preference to Fox but would be ecstatic with Monk, (assuming we don't get a top 2 pick). I think both of those guys would be viewed as much better prospects if they weren't sharing the back court together. I have a feeling we're going to just miss out on the last available between the two...

Draft Express

First Round
 1	Markelle Fultz  PG
18 yrs; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Washington, Fr
 2	Lonzo Ball  PG
19 yrs; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
UCLA, Fr
 3	Josh Jackson  SF
20 yrs; 6'8"; 203 lbs.
Kansas, Fr
 4	Jayson Tatum  SF
19 yrs; 6'8"; 204 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 5	Dennis Smith  PG
19 yrs; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
N.C. State, Fr
 6	Jonathan Isaac  SF
19 yrs; 6'11"; 205 lbs.
Florida St, Fr
 7	Lauri Markkanen  PF
19 yrs; 7'0"; 225 lbs.
Arizona, Fr
 8	De'Aaron Fox  PG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 171 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 9	Malik Monk  PG/SG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 185 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 10	Robert Williams  PF/C
19 yrs; 6'9"; 237 lbs.
Texas A&M, Fr
 11	Frank Ntilikina  PG
18 yrs; 6'5"; 170 lbs.
Strasbourg, Intl
 12	Miles Bridges  SF/PF
18 yrs; 6'6"; 226 lbs.
Michigan St, Fr
 13	Justin Jackson  SF
21 yrs; 6'8"; 193 lbs.
North Carolina, Jr
 14	Terrance Ferguson  SG
18 yrs; 6'7"; 186 lbs.
Adelaide, Fr

EnySpree wrote:He looked like a threat every time he touched the ball. If he can keep getting minutes I can see him having a huge offensive game before the season is out. Man we are lucky to get him back... the best thing is he said "glad to do it in this jersey".... he wants to be here. I love it man.... go Knicks.

It was fun watching him last night but i really wanted to see him shoot some 3's last night. I really liked his defense and passing though.

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

This is such a ridiculous statement because you can end up with OK4 instead of KP, greg Oden, instead of KD. It's really never about where you pick, it's who you pick that fits.

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

This is such a ridiculous statement because you can end up with OK4 instead of KP, greg Oden, instead of KD. It's really never about where you pick, it's who you pick that fits.

It's not a ridiculous statement. It's just a different point of view. At the time Jordan Hill did not project to be a star power fwd. Once we got him you realized he wasn't going to be a starter in this league. Steph Curry had his faults but he looked like a stud asst a position we needed. Comparing ok4 and KP? I would have been fine with ok4. He had a decent career. Ode had bad luck but he was worth being picked where he was.... anyway we could go into the draft with no picks and still come up with rookie of the year with as undrafted rookie if the basketball gods say so. So shoo fly shoo.

Cartman718 wrote:Granted the defense was not ball hawking from the Magic, but from the highlights (i didn't watch the game), he looked like he fit really well and more importantly unlike Rose, KEPT HIS HEAD UP THROUGHOUT A PLAY! He actually reminds me of JRue. Doesn't do anything thats fantastic, but does a lot of things that's really good.

I was telling my co workers that. Rose bulls his way into the lane without any intention to pass. Randle never does that. He's always square to the basket ready to goo all the way, pass, shot or float it. He was really good at that all game. That's his best trait always being in control

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

This is such a ridiculous statement because you can end up with OK4 instead of KP, greg Oden, instead of KD. It's really never about where you pick, it's who you pick that fits.

This is basic nonsense- the higher your pick, the more players you can chose from, the few teams can pick the player you want. Do you honestly think if we had had the number 1 pick in every draft for the past 4 years we would be no better than if we'd had the number 9 pick in every draft for the past 4 years? Can you honestly not see the difference in probability?

meloshouldgo wrote:I couldn't watch yesterday, anyone care to comment on his defense?

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

I guess that depends on who you consider to be the Steph Curry we might miss out on. I worry about dropping too far down the Lottery myself but if that happens it's because we have 2 Nets games coming up. Kind of hard to play worse than a team like that. I've come to accept that the Knicks will win more of these games than we may want. SO SAD

I want either of the Kentucky guards, preference to Fox but would be ecstatic with Monk, (assuming we don't get a top 2 pick). I think both of those guys would be viewed as much better prospects if they weren't sharing the back court together. I have a feeling we're going to just miss out on the last available between the two...

I think we have to stay in the 7, 8, 9 range in order to be sure to get one of the guys we need, but even out to 12 you can still grab a good player! Just can't fall out of the Lottery.

Draft Express

First Round
 1	Markelle Fultz  PG
18 yrs; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Washington, Fr
 2	Lonzo Ball  PG
19 yrs; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
UCLA, Fr
 3	Josh Jackson  SF
20 yrs; 6'8"; 203 lbs.
Kansas, Fr
 4	Jayson Tatum  SF
19 yrs; 6'8"; 204 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 5	Dennis Smith  PG
19 yrs; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
N.C. State, Fr
 6	Jonathan Isaac  SF
19 yrs; 6'11"; 205 lbs.
Florida St, Fr
 7	Lauri Markkanen  PF
19 yrs; 7'0"; 225 lbs.
Arizona, Fr
 8	De'Aaron Fox  PG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 171 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 9	Malik Monk  PG/SG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 185 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 10	Robert Williams  PF/C
19 yrs; 6'9"; 237 lbs.
Texas A&M, Fr
 11	Frank Ntilikina  PG
18 yrs; 6'5"; 170 lbs.
Strasbourg, Intl
 12	Miles Bridges  SF/PF
18 yrs; 6'6"; 226 lbs.
Michigan St, Fr
 13	Justin Jackson  SF
21 yrs; 6'8"; 193 lbs.
North Carolina, Jr
 14	Terrance Ferguson  SG
18 yrs; 6'7"; 186 lbs.
Adelaide, Fr

My assumption is pouty Melo will still try to play at SF, and that Noah will be the starting center next year until the heavens part and dictate otherwise. The list shrinks if you do that.

If you don't want to do that, I don't like any of the Duke players, history tells you not to draft anyone from Arizona, Dennis Smith scares me because NC St is as disappointing as the Knicks are, Robert Williams is not what we need, and I am a big NO on Miles Bridges as history demonstrates that tweeners at SF/PF don't pan at well at all in the NBA. So that's five guys off that list and it could be more, as I really have no idea about the international players

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm happy to see that he took advantage of his opportunity... but I'm more irritated that the Knicks play better with $45 million on the bench

I'd say don't be irritated but rejoice 😜 At least you can see the brighter future is possible as we get rid of the older guys. It's unfortunate that Melo and Noah will be on the books but at least the bulk of the team will be young guys that make a difference going forward.

I really want to rejoice... and I don't disagree with you... but I really don't want to end up with Jordan Hill instead of Steph Curry

I guess that depends on who you consider to be the Steph Curry we might miss out on. I worry about dropping too far down the Lottery myself but if that happens it's because we have 2 Nets games coming up. Kind of hard to play worse than a team like that. I've come to accept that the Knicks will win more of these games than we may want. SO SAD

I want either of the Kentucky guards, preference to Fox but would be ecstatic with Monk, (assuming we don't get a top 2 pick). I think both of those guys would be viewed as much better prospects if they weren't sharing the back court together. I have a feeling we're going to just miss out on the last available between the two...

I think we have to stay in the 7, 8, 9 range in order to be sure to get one of the guys we need, but even out to 12 you can still grab a good player! Just can't fall out of the Lottery.

Draft Express

First Round
 1	Markelle Fultz  PG
18 yrs; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Washington, Fr
 2	Lonzo Ball  PG
19 yrs; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
UCLA, Fr
 3	Josh Jackson  SF
20 yrs; 6'8"; 203 lbs.
Kansas, Fr
 4	Jayson Tatum  SF
19 yrs; 6'8"; 204 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 5	Dennis Smith  PG
19 yrs; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
N.C. State, Fr
 6	Jonathan Isaac  SF
19 yrs; 6'11"; 205 lbs.
Florida St, Fr
 7	Lauri Markkanen  PF
19 yrs; 7'0"; 225 lbs.
Arizona, Fr
 8	De'Aaron Fox  PG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 171 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 9	Malik Monk  PG/SG
19 yrs; 6'4"; 185 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 10	Robert Williams  PF/C
19 yrs; 6'9"; 237 lbs.
Texas A&M, Fr
 11	Frank Ntilikina  PG
18 yrs; 6'5"; 170 lbs.
Strasbourg, Intl
 12	Miles Bridges  SF/PF
18 yrs; 6'6"; 226 lbs.
Michigan St, Fr
 13	Justin Jackson  SF
21 yrs; 6'8"; 193 lbs.
North Carolina, Jr
 14	Terrance Ferguson  SG
18 yrs; 6'7"; 186 lbs.
Adelaide, Fr

My assumption is pouty Melo will still try to play at SF, and that Noah will be the starting center next year until the heavens part and dictate otherwise. The list shrinks if you do that.

If you don't want to do that, I don't like any of the Duke players, history tells you not to draft anyone from Arizona, Dennis Smith scares me because NC St is as disappointing as the Knicks are, Robert Williams is not what we need, and I am a big NO on Miles Bridges as history demonstrates that tweeners at SF/PF don't pan at well at all in the NBA. So that's five guys off that list and it could be more, as I really have no idea about the international players

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I couldn't watch yesterday, anyone care to comment on his defense?

Dude was like PLUS 20 million! LOL. No really he was good. Randle was +27 for the game!!!

Yeah I saw that. But how was his individual defence?