Knicks · I think we need an athletic 4 man (page 1)

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

Agree. But the top of the draft I really want a point guard. Hardest position to get a difference maker and this lottery is loaded with PGs.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

Agree. But the top of the draft I really want a point guard. Hardest position to get a difference maker and this lottery is loaded with PGs.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

Agree. But the top of the draft I really want a point guard. Hardest position to get a difference maker and this lottery is loaded with PGs.

This article talks about how the triangle de-emphasizes the point guard position and that Phil might trade back out of the lottery. I hope Moke is wrong but he points out that getting an attacking point like Rose didn't work in the triangle so Phil might not go there with the pick.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-su...

Yeah, I've been worried about this, too. I will jump off the bridge when we come to it, I guess.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

Agree. But the top of the draft I really want a point guard. Hardest position to get a difference maker and this lottery is loaded with PGs.

Knicks desperately need help on the wing. If the draft is deep in PGs, then the Knicks can wait to see who falls and try to grab one with one of their 2nds.

PF and PG are both low positional value areas within the league marketplace. You can win and even contend without an elite PG and/or elite PF.

You cannot win in the modern NBA without effective wing play. Guys with length who can defend the perimeter and hit a three point shot consistently. Plenty of good wings also can distribute the ball, though it's not always operational the other way around ( i.e a point guard who can be a combo guard and operate as a true wing)

Knicks should really just draft the best player they feel they can get, without regard to position. Seeking specific positional help is what you do when you are a team in a more advanced phase of rebuilding or contending. The Warriors specifically targeting a big man when they know they can't keep Bogut and David Lee is a much different type of situation.

Don Nelson said it best, but others have parroted it over the years, get the best talent you can on your roster and figure the rest out later.

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

I agree but who? Are we drafting or signing this player? Via trade?

nixluva wrote:OP should've created thread saying the Knicks need an Athletic 2 Way SMALL FORWARD!!! IMO that's the key position of need. Of course we also need a SG and PG. Hopefully we can get them this summer. I'm not worried about PF. For me it's ALL IN on SF, SG and PG.

You're spot on about the SF and PG.

We need a SF that can defend the ball, and shoot from outside on offense. A more athletic smaller, quicker Lance Thomas.
At PG we need a PG that can switch from PG to SG effortlessly, someone who takes pride in setting the table up, as well as shooting from outside. I liked Rubio but his lack of shot from outside longterm would have been a problem.

I do like KP, Thomas and Lee as starters next year. I think all 3 should for now be penned in as starters for next year. Hopefully we can draft a player who can start with KP/Thomas/Lee. And then we find someone with the free agency money. After that, I also look to get starter level player with a Melo trade. If Melo wants to stay, I make it clear to him. His role next year is to be the best 6th man in the league, which he would be easily. If Melo stays despite knowing he's going to come off the bench. more power to him. He'll be lethal in that role and we'd win more games that way.

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't think SG is a weak point for this team.

Every MLB team needs more starting pitching. Even when the Yankees were flush, and had Roger Clemens running the table for them, and had no place for David Wells in the rotation, they needed more starting pitching.

NFL teams need starting cornerbacks, can't get enough of them. Even when the Jets and Patriots had Darrelle Revis, they were always looking for more. Seattle had a historic level secondary, and still were always looking for more corners.

NBA teams need a bottomless supply of effective wings. You can never have enough. Injuries happen, trades happen, regression happens. Esp with Hornacek coaching, who needs combo guards that run 4 deep depthwise.

Melo would never accept coming off the bench. The Knicks don't have the depth to do that and he has no desire to help the team at all or play team basketball. Also, from a financial standpoint, season ticket holders and people in those expensive courtside seats and luxury suites pay to see an "event" they want to see a star player, they want to see something worth the price of admission. From a marketing standpoint, it's hard to bench Melo. I'm not saying it's the wrong decision from a purely basketball standpoint, but lots of things happen in the NBA don't factor in the basketball standpoint first.

TripleThreat wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't think SG is a weak point for this team.

Every MLB team needs more starting pitching. Even when the Yankees were flush, and had Roger Clemens running the table for them, and had no place for David Wells in the rotation, they needed more starting pitching.

NFL teams need starting cornerbacks, can't get enough of them. Even when the Jets and Patriots had Darrelle Revis, they were always looking for more. Seattle had a historic level secondary, and still were always looking for more corners.

NBA teams need a bottomless supply of effective wings. You can never have enough. Injuries happen, trades happen, regression happens. Esp with Hornacek coaching, who needs combo guards that run 4 deep depthwise.

Melo would never accept coming off the bench. The Knicks don't have the depth to do that and he has no desire to help the team at all or play team basketball. Also, from a financial standpoint, season ticket holders and people in those expensive courtside seats and luxury suites pay to see an "event" they want to see a star player, they want to see something worth the price of admission. From a marketing standpoint, it's hard to bench Melo. I'm not saying it's the wrong decision from a purely basketball standpoint, but lots of things happen in the NBA don't factor in the basketball standpoint first.

I agree! Gotta keep upgrading the talent PERIOD. Can't get satisfied with a player unless we finally have a legit star talent at the position. GS didn't stop upgrading just cuz they had a lot of frontline talent.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:well among other needs.

Well let KP go at 5 but the Willy G KP starting unit is not fast enough.

Agree. But the top of the draft I really want a point guard. Hardest position to get a difference maker and this lottery is loaded with PGs.

This article talks about how the triangle de-emphasizes the point guard position and that Phil might trade back out of the lottery. I hope Moke is wrong but he points out that getting an attacking point like Rose didn't work in the triangle so Phil might not go there with the pick.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-su...

Yeah, I've been worried about this, too. I will jump off the bridge when we come to it, I guess.

Is that your way of letting us know we'll draft Miles bridges?

I do fear Phil will go for best triangle fit rather than best player available

Paris907 wrote:Tatum is a robe Ted to 5 and pro ably out of reach. He's your 3. The Triangle won't be around past Phil but Willy, KP and Randle and our lottery pick will.

what is a 'robe Ted to 5'? Some sort of complex analytics term, no doubt!

We need at least 1 more star player to go with KP. Maybe 2.

We do need a new owner. We probably need a new president/GM, because by the time we're even close to being a competitive team, this one will be 80 years old, and I'm not convinced Mills is anything more than a Dolan Yes Man Hack!

fishmike wrote:these daily threads are silly. Knicks need to develop their talent base. KP and Willy are a good start. This kind or that kind doesnt matter. We just need to continue to add and build.

You can't develop in a losing atmosphere, because losing brings drastic changes. The knicks said there taking the last 22 games to evaluate who fits and wh doesn't. There are 2 things I know for sure, KP needs to play the 5, and should never be on the floor together with willy, because they are atrocious defensively. They can't defend the perimeter in a perimeter oriented league

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:these daily threads are silly. Knicks need to develop their talent base. KP and Willy are a good start. This kind or that kind doesnt matter. We just need to continue to add and build.

You can't develop in a losing atmosphere, because losing brings drastic changes. The knicks said there taking the last 22 games to evaluate who fits and wh doesn't. There are 2 things I know for sure, KP needs to play the 5, and should never be on the floor together with willy, because they are atrocious defensively. They can't defend the perimeter in a perimeter oriented league

TripleThreat wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't think SG is a weak point for this team.

Every MLB team needs more starting pitching. Even when the Yankees were flush, and had Roger Clemens running the table for them, and had no place for David Wells in the rotation, they needed more starting pitching.

NFL teams need starting cornerbacks, can't get enough of them. Even when the Jets and Patriots had Darrelle Revis, they were always looking for more. Seattle had a historic level secondary, and still were always looking for more corners.

NBA teams need a bottomless supply of effective wings. You can never have enough. Injuries happen, trades happen, regression happens. Esp with Hornacek coaching, who needs combo guards that run 4 deep depthwise.

Melo would never accept coming off the bench. The Knicks don't have the depth to do that and he has no desire to help the team at all or play team basketball. Also, from a financial standpoint, season ticket holders and people in those expensive courtside seats and luxury suites pay to see an "event" they want to see a star player, they want to see something worth the price of admission. From a marketing standpoint, it's hard to bench Melo. I'm not saying it's the wrong decision from a purely basketball standpoint, but lots of things happen in the NBA don't factor in the basketball standpoint first.

Yeah, we lack so much that we should basically take the 1, 2, 3 that best fits what we do. If Melo is here, it allows us to go small if we get another solid 2 or 3.

It's really too early to tell what the lottery order will be. I bet someone we don't expect locks up a top 5 pick during March Madness and some other dark horses jump in the top ten. There's three and a half months to go and tons will change.

Best thing Knicks can do now is keep losing and have the best pick possible. I think there's a chance we "catch" Sacramento and Orlando in the sad sack standings and lock up a top five pick. We shall see, of course.

But, yeah, I'm interested to take a closer look at Tatum. Josh Jackson is very intriguing, though he seems to be a top three lock. I do think slots 4 thru 10 in the lotto will change a ton in the coming weeks and months. I'm seeing Fox slated anywhere from 7 to 13 right now. It's fluctuating.

fishmike wrote:these daily threads are silly. Knicks need to develop their talent base. KP and Willy are a good start. This kind or that kind doesnt matter. We just need to continue to add and build.

Agree... but we've been burned quite recently for winning meaningless games. The year before Westbrook and Love went directly ahead of the Knicks taking Gallinari (who was a nice piece... but...)

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crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:these daily threads are silly. Knicks need to develop their talent base. KP and Willy are a good start. This kind or that kind doesnt matter. We just need to continue to add and build.

Agree... but we've been burned quite recently for winning meaningless games. The year before Westbrook and Love went directly ahead of the Knicks taking Gallinari (who was a nice piece... but...)

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And the Timberwolves took both Rubio and Flynn before Curry.

Easy to identify what is needed.
Easy to look in hindsight.
Not so easy to actually do it.

We lose to nets and a few articles written about how we suck. Duh.
If we won, we'd be blowing the Tank.
Nets lauded for their "togetherness". Nice story. 12 wins. Good for them.
Knicks are a mess. Thats obvious.

Tatum at Duke had a very nice weekend. Is he the one?? Knicks need an athletic 4 man.
Ok? Who? How?

I need 2 million to retire.