Knicks · I wrote a post about keeping Melo(like we have much choice?) (page 1)

Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

One of Melo, KP and Willy probably needs to come off the bench for the good of the team and to balance the line up. It isn't an outrageous suggestion to bring Melo off the bench. But I don't see how you do it for an undrafted free agent like the guys mentioned. Maybe Lance, but then you need to look at what is the best line up for the team. I think the offseason will be really interesting. I think either Melo or Phil leaves. I do worry that Phil's needling has increased Melo's resolve to stay. Hopefully if both end up back next year Phil backs off on his twitter and ghost writer campaign against Melo.

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

Without any question, this is 100% what we must do if we can't trade Melo. I like him as a person and player, but his game doesn't mesh with the Knicks current roster or future plans. He got what he wanted (i.e., $$$ and NYC) so he will either live with it, or make a smart decision to waive the NTC if we can work something out to a destination he can stomach.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

One of Melo, KP and Willy probably needs to come off the bench for the good of the team and to balance the line up. It isn't an outrageous suggestion to bring Melo off the bench. But I don't see how you do it for an undrafted free agent like the guys mentioned. Maybe Lance, but then you need to look at what is the best line up for the team. I think the offseason will be really interesting. I think either Melo or Phil leaves. I do worry that Phil's needling has increased Melo's resolve to stay. Hopefully if both end up back next year Phil backs off on his twitter and ghost writer campaign against Melo.

Either we rebuild or we don't. We get young players we slot them in. If we do a good job--we can have salary cap balance and an influx of higher end talent. This is NOT changing in one year.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

One of Melo, KP and Willy probably needs to come off the bench for the good of the team and to balance the line up. It isn't an outrageous suggestion to bring Melo off the bench. But I don't see how you do it for an undrafted free agent like the guys mentioned. Maybe Lance, but then you need to look at what is the best line up for the team. I think the offseason will be really interesting. I think either Melo or Phil leaves. I do worry that Phil's needling has increased Melo's resolve to stay. Hopefully if both end up back next year Phil backs off on his twitter and ghost writer campaign against Melo.

Either we rebuild or we don't. We get young players we slot them in. If we do a good job--we can have salary cap balance and an influx of higher end talent. This is NOT changing in one year.

whether he starts or comes off the bench, doesn't matter unless we can give him a role he can accept.

Not sure that exists in the triangle.

Does Phil have the balls to tall him to stay home?

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

One of Melo, KP and Willy probably needs to come off the bench for the good of the team and to balance the line up. It isn't an outrageous suggestion to bring Melo off the bench. But I don't see how you do it for an undrafted free agent like the guys mentioned. Maybe Lance, but then you need to look at what is the best line up for the team. I think the offseason will be really interesting. I think either Melo or Phil leaves. I do worry that Phil's needling has increased Melo's resolve to stay. Hopefully if both end up back next year Phil backs off on his twitter and ghost writer campaign against Melo.

Either we rebuild or we don't. We get young players we slot them in. If we do a good job--we can have salary cap balance and an influx of higher end talent. This is NOT changing in one year.

I am not disagreeing with you but I don't see N'dour, Plumlee or Baker being starters in the nba during their careers. I don't know if Ndour is even an nba player at this point. Melo in a Joe Johnson like role could be awesome.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.

One of Melo, KP and Willy probably needs to come off the bench for the good of the team and to balance the line up. It isn't an outrageous suggestion to bring Melo off the bench. But I don't see how you do it for an undrafted free agent like the guys mentioned. Maybe Lance, but then you need to look at what is the best line up for the team. I think the offseason will be really interesting. I think either Melo or Phil leaves. I do worry that Phil's needling has increased Melo's resolve to stay. Hopefully if both end up back next year Phil backs off on his twitter and ghost writer campaign against Melo.

Either we rebuild or we don't. We get young players we slot them in. If we do a good job--we can have salary cap balance and an influx of higher end talent. This is NOT changing in one year.

I am not disagreeing with you but I don't see N'dour, Plumlee or Baker being starters in the nba during their careers. I don't know if Ndour is even an nba player at this point. Melo in a Joe Johnson like role could be awesome.

No Im talking next season--guys we draft especially rd 1 should be slotted in. Ndour--I agree with you but who cares--give him a chance over the last 15.

If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

fishmike wrote:If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

Nah--we cant just say trade him because of the NTC. I know hes Dolans wet dream--but he has not worked out here. Either Melo ACCEPTS a trade to what is MOST beneficial to the KNicks OR he will be slotted as 6th or 7th man--which is what is MOST beneficial to the franchise going 4 ward. Its NOT Melos KNicks anymore--it has to be whats BEST for the team. If he strong arms the Knicks--than he plays 20 minutes. If he doesnt like that--he can either accept a trade or stay home and collect 0.

Melo has to go, keeping around here isn't fair to his championship aspirations. It isn't fair to the team either. They are going away from one man dependency to a team oriented approach. This is fair for both the team and Melo.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

Nah--we cant just say trade him because of the NTC. I know hes Dolans wet dream--but he has not worked out here. Either Melo ACCEPTS a trade to what is MOST beneficial to the KNicks OR he will be slotted as 6th or 7th man--which is what is MOST beneficial to the franchise going 4 ward. Its NOT Melos KNicks anymore--it has to be whats BEST for the team. If he strong arms the Knicks--than he plays 20 minutes. If he doesnt like that--he can either accept a trade or stay home and collect 0.

The deal Phil gave him is almost impossible to trade. He has a huge trade kicker in addition to his ntc. He does have the right to choose where he will accept a trade. Phil gave him that. I don't think he has to come off the bench if he chooses to stay. I do agree with limiting his minutes. Where he plays next year is up to Melo. Phil negotiated that in his deal. I think it is 50:50 as to who stays Phil or Melo.

Melo is here and not going anywhere...the only thing that Jeff can do is marginalize him.

Why would a coach sit the best player on a team??? Like his jobs doesn't depend on wins?? Why are they still playing Melo max minutes at this point?? You think in the back of Jeff's mind, he doesn't think his record will affect his future job search???

Time has come........Melo is a good guy who tried. Things change.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

Nah--we cant just say trade him because of the NTC. I know hes Dolans wet dream--but he has not worked out here. Either Melo ACCEPTS a trade to what is MOST beneficial to the KNicks OR he will be slotted as 6th or 7th man--which is what is MOST beneficial to the franchise going 4 ward. Its NOT Melos KNicks anymore--it has to be whats BEST for the team. If he strong arms the Knicks--than he plays 20 minutes. If he doesnt like that--he can either accept a trade or stay home and collect 0.

Well kinda yea. We need to move him. He's got a NTC clause. The Knicks will fail if they try those strong arm tactics and Melo is a respected vet. What an epic fail for the org that would be. Its just not feasible. We need to move him. The question is do you take pennies on the dollar like Austin Rivers or do you risk having this guy around while you work on a good deal? I mean you just have to talk to the Lakers, Clippers, maybe the Bulls and Celtics... be transparent. Tell Melo your draft focused, will prob trade vets for picks and are in a full rebuild mode. If he wants to stay its under the condition he will expected to be facilitator and defer to KP. Prob best you can do.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

Nah--we cant just say trade him because of the NTC. I know hes Dolans wet dream--but he has not worked out here. Either Melo ACCEPTS a trade to what is MOST beneficial to the KNicks OR he will be slotted as 6th or 7th man--which is what is MOST beneficial to the franchise going 4 ward. Its NOT Melos KNicks anymore--it has to be whats BEST for the team. If he strong arms the Knicks--than he plays 20 minutes. If he doesnt like that--he can either accept a trade or stay home and collect 0.

Well kinda yea. We need to move him. He's got a NTC clause. The Knicks will fail if they try those strong arm tactics and Melo is a respected vet. What an epic fail for the org that would be. Its just not feasible. We need to move him. The question is do you take pennies on the dollar like Austin Rivers or do you risk having this guy around while you work on a good deal? I mean you just have to talk to the Lakers, Clippers, maybe the Bulls and Celtics... be transparent. Tell Melo your draft focused, will prob trade vets for picks and are in a full rebuild mode. If he wants to stay its under the condition he will expected to be facilitator and defer to KP. Prob best you can do.

The Lakers could be interesting if Melo is intrigued by the changes there. Moz and one of their young players or this years pick would get it done. Melo would need a commitment from Jeanie that Phil isn't allowed to come back.

Cartman718 wrote:Melo is here and not going anywhere...the only thing that Jeff can do is marginalize him.

Melo n Horn has been doing a great job at tanking this season!

Melo is probably already planning his escape from NY. I think he can see the writing on the wall and where this is headed. Although Melo has the power to stay I think he realizes Phil isn't going to be doing what he did last summer again. Phil is likely DONE with trying to do something with Melo and adding Vets for Melo.

Phil doesn't have to do any heavy lifting this summer and he's gonna add more young talent to this roster. Phil has 2 first rd quality young players in KP and Willy already and the chance to add at least one more this summer maybe more if we're lucky. How do you NOT go in that direction as a Prez/GM???

Melo has to see this already.

A really good podcast with Chris Mannix and Bobby Marks. They cover a lot but the last third is on the Knicks and Phil Jackson. I think it is worth a listen. Knicks stuff starts at the 29 minute mark.
https://art19.com/shows/vertical-chris-m...

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:If Melo's here with a NTC its his locker room. If you want to set up a different culture than what we had last year you need to move him. He's a future HOF chasing all time milestones. He's not coming off the bench for Willy Hernangomez. You have it half right.. if you want to change this you need to move him. IF you think you can put him where you want and every little thing is going to be ok you just dont follow pro sports.

Nah--we cant just say trade him because of the NTC. I know hes Dolans wet dream--but he has not worked out here. Either Melo ACCEPTS a trade to what is MOST beneficial to the KNicks OR he will be slotted as 6th or 7th man--which is what is MOST beneficial to the franchise going 4 ward. Its NOT Melos KNicks anymore--it has to be whats BEST for the team. If he strong arms the Knicks--than he plays 20 minutes. If he doesnt like that--he can either accept a trade or stay home and collect 0.

I think we either trade him or we tell him to stay home. Melo in the lockerroom = team cancer
Look at this season, badketball was clear third in importance to Melo and Phil taking shots at each other thru the media and then to trade Melo talks. This is what is wrong with career losers whether they are HOF or not. Get his ass outta here.

Chances of this happening, very slim. So I am prepared for another coach, more bad signings, more "win now", more sulking 23 games into the season, more blaming everybody and their mother to deflect lame from Melo, more 30 win seasons. Its the life of a Knicks fan.

I agree with you but it would destroy the little ability we have to sign FA's. For some reason Melo has a ton of respect around the league and another players would look at it as a power play to force him out not about basketball

BRIGGS wrote:Right now the team is a dysfunctional disaster. Thats ok because in the situation we are in--the more we lose--the more we win--I cannot imagine anyone dissenting from that opinion as of today? If you are--you're not a Knicks fan or you're blatantly stupid about the nBA.

OK back to Melo--we CANNOT go into next year with this same sht. I DO NOT blame Carmelo or Rose. They can be put into roles that can give a team a nice boost. For this team--we CANNOT keep both--so Rose has to be jettisoned. Really for the good of the team we should do what Pheonix does and sit Carmelo and Rose for Ndour Randle Plumlee and Baker.

To Carmelo--IF he will NOT accept a trade to any destination--someone HAS to say Carmelo--you will be 6th or 7th man and you're role will be down to 20-24 minutes next year of the bench and its not changing. We have to change the culture of this team and if he will not accept a trade--we can mandate a reduced role. He may not like that--and of course it will HURT his chances in the next contract round. But we cannot be prisoner to this anymore. Hes out of the starting line up.