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blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

For what it's worth, I'm sure Phil had very little to do with $125M being shippped to Melo. Feels like a Dolan meddle, which from an owner filling the stands standpoint makes sense.

Zebo13 wrote:For what it's worth, I'm sure Phil had very little to do with $125M being shippped to Melo. Feels like a Dolan meddle, which from an owner filling the stands standpoint makes sense.

Ive always felt the same way. Look im not defending phil because he has made some bonehead decisions but that seemed like a dolan move. I mean we already know he went over donnie walsh's head and did the original trade

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Zebo13 wrote:For what it's worth, I'm sure Phil had very little to do with $125M being shippped to Melo. Feels like a Dolan meddle, which from an owner filling the stands standpoint makes sense.

Ive always felt the same way. Look im not defending phil because he has made some bonehead decisions but that seemed like a dolan move. I mean we already know he went over donnie walsh's head and did the original trade

Whether it was Phil or Dolan it doesn't matter. It was a move that a team with few options is gonna do. Locking in the face of the franchise isn't an illogical thing to do. Phil coming in knew he only had ONE PICK! I think he didn't want to mess around and tick Melo off leaving him with very few assets. They gave Melo too much but I can somewhat understand the thinkin. They wanted to guarantee Melo came back with no real room left for another team to even be close.

Phil may also have overestimated his chances for success in putting talent around Melo. Now he's paying for that overconfidence. He probably figured he wouldn't have to ever worry about trading Melo.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Zebo13 wrote:For what it's worth, I'm sure Phil had very little to do with $125M being shippped to Melo. Feels like a Dolan meddle, which from an owner filling the stands standpoint makes sense.

Ive always felt the same way. Look im not defending phil because he has made some bonehead decisions but that seemed like a dolan move. I mean we already know he went over donnie walsh's head and did the original trade

Whether it was Phil or Dolan it doesn't matter. It was a move that a team with few options is gonna do. Locking in the face of the franchise isn't an illogical thing to do. Phil coming in knew he only had ONE PICK! I think he didn't want to mess around and tick Melo off leaving him with very few assets. They gave Melo too much but I can somewhat understand the thinkin. They wanted to guarantee Melo came back with no real room left for another team to even be close.

Phil may also have overestimated his chances for success in putting talent around Melo. Now he's paying for that overconfidence. He probably figured he wouldn't have to ever worry about trading Melo.

Phil had autonomy. It is on Phil. Remember Phil kept saying were good if Melo resigns and were good if he doesn't? Phil wanted Melo to take a little less. He did that but got a ntc and a trade kicker in the process. If Dolan was involved Melo gets all of that and gives nothing back. Phil has made a lot of mistakes. I am not sure why there is a need to pass off his mistakes to Dolan and Melo.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

Phil's tweets, interviews and stuff that came out from his ghost writers certainly isn't best practice when you want to move an older, max contract player with a ntc and a huge trade kicker.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Dolan needed melo to save ticket sales and revenue. But renewing melo is partly Phil's fault. he thought melo could fill the same gunner role as kobe and MJ. and that might be true. but when u have two gunners, then surround them with role playing gunners like lee. draft a rookie gunner in kp.....thats a terrible mix any jr HS coach can project. Phil should know by now what type of triangle players he can add. I agree with nix.. he was over confident....and it backfired. I don't blame melo, because he's always been the same player since HS.

blkexec wrote:There's plenty of blame to go around. Dolan needed melo to save ticket sales and revenue. But renewing melo is partly Phil's fault. he thought melo could fill the same gunner role as kobe and MJ. and that might be true. but when u have two gunners, then surround them with role playing gunners like lee. draft a rookie gunner in kp.....thats a terrible mix any jr HS coach can project. Phil should know by now what type of triangle players he can add. I agree with nix.. he was over confident....and it backfired. I don't blame melo, because he's always been the same player since HS.

Its fair.
Lets do not forget we have a bunch of huge egos here - Phil, Melo, Dolan, Rose...
Sometimes it is leading to success but more often to disaster.
Phil and MJ; Phil, Kobe, and Shaq worked out... because all this huge egos were also top talents in their field and maniacs of winning.
Melo, Rose, Dolan not so much. Just costing through live and chilling at the turns.
Phil should know better who he is dealing with in NY.
Lets see if he still can learn and adjust at his age.

Nalod wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:Koop aid drinking at its finest

The only other drink on the menu seemingly is "Haterade". not much to choose from.

Not really...clear water of reality...which seems to come in many different flavors(factions) if you read all of the different threads here

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nixluva wrote:

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meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

Phil's tweets, interviews and stuff that came out from his ghost writers certainly isn't best practice when you want to move an older, max contract player with a ntc and a huge trade kicker.

I think Phil was FIRSTLY trying to motivate Melo into playing better. I'm pretty sure Phil realizes how hard it will be to trade Melo. Phil like Riley and other coaches have used the media to try and get at his players. It's old school but they have done this.

IMO the focus should be on what Melo did or didn't do in response. Phil got on him for the ball sticking. Melo should've from that point gone on to have high Assist months like last year when he averaged 5 assists for two months!!!

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

Phil's tweets, interviews and stuff that came out from his ghost writers certainly isn't best practice when you want to move an older, max contract player with a ntc and a huge trade kicker.

I think Phil was FIRSTLY trying to motivate Melo into playing better. I'm pretty sure Phil realizes how hard it will be to trade Melo. Phil like Riley and other coaches have used the media to try and get at his players. It's old school but they have done this.

IMO the focus should be on what Melo did or didn't do in response. Phil got on him for the ball sticking. Melo should've from that point gone on to have high Assist months like last year when he averaged 5 assists for two months!!!

My issue was with the approach that he took to get on him. And I do think it impacts his trade value. Teams in the nba know that when Phil wants to move on from a player he generally doesn't want/get much back.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

Phil's tweets, interviews and stuff that came out from his ghost writers certainly isn't best practice when you want to move an older, max contract player with a ntc and a huge trade kicker.

I think Phil was FIRSTLY trying to motivate Melo into playing better. I'm pretty sure Phil realizes how hard it will be to trade Melo. Phil like Riley and other coaches have used the media to try and get at his players. It's old school but they have done this.

IMO the focus should be on what Melo did or didn't do in response. Phil got on him for the ball sticking. Melo should've from that point gone on to have high Assist months like last year when he averaged 5 assists for two months!!!

My issue was with the approach that he took to get on him. And I do think it impacts his trade value. Teams in the nba know that when Phil wants to move on from a player he generally doesn't want/get much back.

The problem isn't Phil's negotiation skills at this point. Just the fact that Melo has to agree on destination and the sheer size of Melo's deal requiring substantial compensation just to make it work is going to dictate the type of deal we get.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:The scary part about this team is.....

Dolan is still here!

Yeah OR
The scary thing is...
Dolan finally let a president have full autonomy. And the record is even worse!

This. And he seems to have a lifetime position if he wants it.

Good. I hope he wants it. We need someone to take the trash out.

He made the job much harder by giving out two of the worst contracts in the league.

Yeah it's harder but not impossible. I'm not even that mad at the Noah deal. If he can move Melo that would be monumental. It'll take a heck of a deal to move Melo but if they are determined it can be done. Probably 3 teams.

I think Melo gets moved. I don't expect much back. I think it is the best thing for both Melo and the Knicks. I just wish someone other than Phil was making the trade.

Why? Is there something special you think someone else is gonna come up with in dealing Melo? There are so few options that I doubt there's really much latitude for any deal. Teams know we want to move him and if he's waving his NTC then we pretty much know it's going to be a team he picks. The GM is really not relevant.

I think Phil has gotten pennies on the dollar for most of his trades. He lets everyone know he doesn't want a player and then doesn't get much. With the contract that he gave Melo, and his letting his intentions be known, I think the chance of him getting anything that will help the Knicks is slim. Too bad he gave out the contract he did and then went out and trashed the player he wants to trade.

I start with Phil giving Melo a RESPECT contract that should've made Melo play with more passion and determination to live up to the faith Phil placed in him. Melo stopped passing the ball and wasn't giving max effort on D! Didn't matter what the record was. Melo has to lead by example!!!

Now you can complain about Phil getting after Melo but it should've made Melo step it up. He scored but still didn't GET IT. If Melo was killing it and the team was winning there'd be no talk of trading him. Losing would be the only reason to trade him and his value would automatically be lowered regardless of Phil's comments. So I'm not persuaded by the argument that Phil killed Melo's trade value. MELO killed his own trade value.

Phil's tweets, interviews and stuff that came out from his ghost writers certainly isn't best practice when you want to move an older, max contract player with a ntc and a huge trade kicker.

I think Phil was FIRSTLY trying to motivate Melo into playing better. I'm pretty sure Phil realizes how hard it will be to trade Melo. Phil like Riley and other coaches have used the media to try and get at his players. It's old school but they have done this.

IMO the focus should be on what Melo did or didn't do in response. Phil got on him for the ball sticking. Melo should've from that point gone on to have high Assist months like last year when he averaged 5 assists for two months!!!

My issue was with the approach that he took to get on him. And I do think it impacts his trade value. Teams in the nba know that when Phil wants to move on from a player he generally doesn't want/get much back.

The problem isn't Phil's negotiation skills at this point. Just the fact that Melo has to agree on destination and the sheer size of Melo's deal requiring substantial compensation just to make it work is going to dictate the type of deal we get.

Yeah. They were just talking about the communication issues during the game. Phil needs to talk with Melo. I don't think anything happens until he does that.

Phil has messed up with how he handled Melo
No doubt about it

But Melo is a drama queen as well. Nothing Phil said to Lisa Leslie was a shot at him. Lisa asked him how the Triangle can work with a ball stopper or dominant scorer and Phil answered honestly.

Now the Rosen article, tweeting Dings article, shopping him in trades without talking to him that's all very poorly handled BS by Phil.

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil has messed up with how he handled Melo
No doubt about it

But Melo is a drama queen as well. Nothing Phil said to Lisa Leslie was a shot at him. Lisa asked him how the Triangle can work with a ball stopper or dominant scorer and Phil answered honestly.

Now the Rosen article, tweeting Dings article, shopping him in trades without talking to him that's all very poorly handled BS by Phil.

I just come back to the REAL issue here. Melo has not played well enough regardless of the talent around him. He didn't defend hard enough and didn't pass the ball enough. We all know he can play better TEAM BALL cuz we saw him do it last year. There's simply no excuse for him reverting to selfish ball. That is what really led to all the comments and negative articles. Look no further than Melo and his own play. If he does the right thing no one is coming down on Melo.

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil has messed up with how he handled Melo
No doubt about it

I fail to see how this is true at any level.

Melo is basically an employee you can't fire, so what you do is harass him enough to make him want to quit and waive his NTC.

The more Jackson hammers Melo in the press for being a selfish one dimensional player, the more it hurts Melo's "branding" situation. The more the branding gets hurt, the more incentive for Melo to want to leave the Knicks.

The only things that killed Melo's trade value is A) His selfish play B) His age C) The complication of his trade kicker and NTC

People keep saying FAs will avoid the Knicks because Jackson called out Melo in the press. Totally ignoring players who are FAs go for the most money, the most years and the chance to win/contend.

Play the game the right way, and then you'll get called things you want to hear in public.

^^^^So how do we explain Melo's brand seemingly enhanced by the way he has handled Phil's bumblings??..You can hear it from basketball analyst after basketball analyst..I'll even venture to say Melo will be thought for a management post down the road...

holfresh wrote:^^^^So how do we explain Melo's brand seemingly enhanced by the way he has handled Phil's bumblings??..You can hear it from basketball analyst after basketball analyst..I'll even venture to say Melo will be thought for a management post down the road...

As the story goes, when David Stern heard about the Malice In The Palace, his legendary temper went through the roof, after he saw the ESPN analyst response to it, right after, apparently he went full blown livid. Here is was, former players, basically justifying the "code" by saying they understood where those players were coming from and "defending their family"

It was pathetic and completely out of touch. It made NBA players look like thugs and narcissists and divas and out of control. Not long after, Stern turned the screws on. Dress code, flagrant foul changes, more suspensions, more security, he did what "parents do", he treated children like children.

Lots of these analysts know if they say anything even remotely accountable level, that franchise, maybe the coach, maybe the players cut them off from interviews, giving info for the guys writing books, giving insider access, etc.

Of course many of them are going to kiss Melo's butt all the time. If you turned on an NBA game while STAT was at the end with the Knicks, you'd only hear positives about him.

Melo, along with STAT and Chris Paul, were socially obtuse enough to toast about a big three, in front of Paul's then franchise owner, at Paul's wedding, thinking Landry Fields could headline a package to get Paul into a close to capped out team.

Melo's an idiot. He has no charisma, he's an idiot. He says stupid thing after stupid thing in the press ( I hate Tom Brady, but I give him credit, he can handle the press well) and is only survived by having Leon Rose of CAA clean up after him. Melo has a "brand" not because of Melo, but because of David Stern and how Stern made NBA players so infinitely marketable in general.

People said great things about Zeke too, in public, to start, until the back end when he stopped playing and was in management, when it wouldn't cost them to criticize him, then it all came out how other player hated the dude.

Jackson is going after Melo where Melo can be hurt, in terms of public perception, because pathetically, this is something Melo cares more about than actually winning basketball games. Jackson is simply using what Bill Parcells has always used, the press as a weapon to push his players around.

It should say something that most NBA teams weren't lining up in droves to trade for Melo when it was clear the Knicks wanted to move him.

Jackson ruined Melo's trade value!

What would Melo's trade value be if Jackson said nothing at all? Still pretty horrible. And even with less leverage.

Yes, yes, let's pretend NBA players will turn down the most money and the most years from the Knicks, if the Knicks are their best playing time/winning time/money/years length option out there. Guys who can win and get paid aren't coming to the Knicks. They have better options. Some guys would rather take a little less to contend at the end of their careers. But are we going to pretend a guy who has no other FA options is going to turn down money and years from the Knicks because of something Jackson said in the press about Melo?

NEVER CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY, WATCH WHAT THEY DO

The guys at NBC talked up Tiki Barber, how he was such an amazing personality, how he'd succeed in TV as a broadcaster, how he'd be change how sports and mainstream TV could blend together, and on and on and on. But aside from the fluff, how did it break down? They give him the best talk show to run? His own movie? His own channel?

Bill Walton used to say how Shaq, at least 60 pounds overweight from Chalupas, was in such elite condition, even when Shaq would waddle up and down the court.

The NBA, like anything else, has a "marketplace" and that market does not care how you feel, or how I feel, or what Jackson says. Melo's trade value is rotten because of his age and how he plays and his clear self imposed limitations and that's it.

TripleThreat wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil has messed up with how he handled Melo
No doubt about it

I fail to see how this is true at any level.

Melo is basically an employee you can't fire, so what you do is harass him enough to make him want to quit and waive his NTC.

The more Jackson hammers Melo in the press for being a selfish one dimensional player, the more it hurts Melo's "branding" situation. The more the branding gets hurt, the more incentive for Melo to want to leave the Knicks.

The only things that killed Melo's trade value is A) His selfish play B) His age C) The complication of his trade kicker and NTC

People keep saying FAs will avoid the Knicks because Jackson called out Melo in the press. Totally ignoring players who are FAs go for the most money, the most years and the chance to win/contend.

Play the game the right way, and then you'll get called things you want to hear in public.

So act like a child when you are a grown man and the leader of an organazation. Makes sense coming from you, what are you 12? Wrong. That is why he has no respect, we are seen as a joke and no one will want to come here. Btw. Lin sucks.

holfresh wrote:^^^^So how do we explain Melo's brand seemingly enhanced by the way he has handled Phil's bumblings??..You can hear it from basketball analyst after basketball analyst..I'll even venture to say Melo will be thought for a management post down the road...

And Dolan renames the building Melo Square Garden soon!