I don't think any teams wants to tank. At some point you have to just give into it.
Year one I think team was not tanking but it did when it was painfully obvious the team was awful.
Year Two was not a tank cuz we did not have a pick. No panic moves, no starphuch leverage and instead treading water was a sign things are different in MSG.
Year Three, I think Phil constructed an on paper playoff caliber team without giving up a draft pick. Where past failures usually had us not owning a pick, this team has it and will pick up a nice player.
....and we developed players.
I know, "Oh woe is me the knick fan starved for success", but this is what it is. IT sucks. I preach patience. I preach faith in the zen master despite his mistakes. I preach the faith of him vs. an invisible mystical person.
Both concepts. Its easy to think "Yes, but if we bring in a proven entity then we will succeed as the past credible job when duplicated has to work here! Phil has never succeeded in an executive position thus he is unproven."
Not a bad thought and I get the attraction. Few things: Gotta have assets and draft picks for any talent to work. Second, Steve Mills is the GM now and I think will be going forward. If not, we promote from within. TO clean house is only effective if you have assets in which to use. If you have those assets, and they were procured due to the current admin, then you have a plan.
We might not understand the plan.
nixluva wrote:Can we stop pretending that there is any other option for this franchise? We gave it a go with Melo at the center of the team and couldn't make it work!!! We all saw how Free Agency worked out and there really wasn't much movement of impact players. We had no shot at KD. At this point the best part of Phil's regime has been finding young talent. This is the only logical next step! There are never any guarantees of success but this is the BEST chance we have. To build thru the draft and try to do better signing younger FA's. Continue to develop the young talent we have.
Also the changes made to the CBA since Lebron went to Miami and Durant went to the Warriors makes it really had to convince a player to leave. The amount of money they give up to move is really significant. The future is you Draft your stars and build around them in FA. The best a team could do in FA is look to pull a Iggy to the Warriors situation where you can get a high impact player whose no a superstar.
With the two years guaranteed I have a feeling we will tank next year and then see if that team the second year (with two more high draft picks) will be good enough to be competitive
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:At least this means more lottery picks! 
yeah but it is really hard to root for loses. I hate lost seasons.
thats the whole point. If we execute on this draft its not a lost season. Any more than having KP to show for was a lost season. A lost season is losing 50+ with guys like Eddy Curry and knowing you have no draft pick and are going into the next season with the same roster.
How long does that outlook continue for? Eventually Phil's teams have to start winning, no? He can't just proudly say his legacy was that he brought a dozen lottery picks to the team.
He don't say that, we do!!!
But one more time, look at year one in great detail and you see just how bad our roster was.
ONe first round in three years. You can fire Phil all you want, that won't change.
Patience.
I'd rather replace him with someone who can keep up with the advances in the metrics (without ignoring he traditional eyeball test). If he's just being replaced by someone else Dolan picks, I don't know if that will help. You're right that people here say that, not Phil, though.
I'm not really sure how far he can get the team if Phil drafts very well but messes up 90% of his FA signings and trades. Eventually these lottery picks are gonna be on max and supermax contracts or he's going to have to trade them. The state of the team he inherited doesn't justify spending $80 mil of a $94 mil cap on Rose, Melo, Noah, Thomas, and Lee.
I'm not that concerned with the whole Metrics thing. Phil may not rely on it but just about all of his team does. They do the heavy lifting on scouting prospects. Phil admits he doesn't do it and trusts the people who are long time Pros at it.
As for Phil's signings and contract negotiations, I think his choices will be easier now since he isn't likely to be going after any elite level FA's at this stage. The biggest FA is likely a Jrue Holiday type or lower.
The rest of the team uses the metrics? Is he listening to them? It was obvious enough in advance from the metrics that these signings were bad. You have 538 for example saying the expected production value of Lee + Noah + Thomas is about $10 mil a season but Phil pays them $35 mil. If you look at the stats from the other sites, it was pretty obvious too. Jrue could be a steal or a disaster depending on how much Phil pays him. Does Phil have any idea how much he's actually worth? Or is he just gonna give him a max contract with a trade kicker?
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:At least this means more lottery picks!
yeah but it is really hard to root for loses. I hate lost seasons.
thats the whole point. If we execute on this draft its not a lost season. Any more than having KP to show for was a lost season. A lost season is losing 50+ with guys like Eddy Curry and knowing you have no draft pick and are going into the next season with the same roster.
How long does that outlook continue for? Eventually Phil's teams have to start winning, no? He can't just proudly say his legacy was that he brought a dozen lottery picks to the team.
He don't say that, we do!!!
But one more time, look at year one in great detail and you see just how bad our roster was.
ONe first round in three years. You can fire Phil all you want, that won't change.
Patience.
I'd rather replace him with someone who can keep up with the advances in the metrics (without ignoring he traditional eyeball test). If he's just being replaced by someone else Dolan picks, I don't know if that will help. You're right that people here say that, not Phil, though.
I'm not really sure how far he can get the team if Phil drafts very well but messes up 90% of his FA signings and trades. Eventually these lottery picks are gonna be on max and supermax contracts or he's going to have to trade them. The state of the team he inherited doesn't justify spending $80 mil of a $94 mil cap on Rose, Melo, Noah, Thomas, and Lee.
I'm not that concerned with the whole Metrics thing. Phil may not rely on it but just about all of his team does. They do the heavy lifting on scouting prospects. Phil admits he doesn't do it and trusts the people who are long time Pros at it.
As for Phil's signings and contract negotiations, I think his choices will be easier now since he isn't likely to be going after any elite level FA's at this stage. The biggest FA is likely a Jrue Holiday type or lower.
The rest of the team uses the metrics? Is he listening to them? It was obvious enough in advance from the metrics that these signings were bad. You have 538 for example saying the expected production value of Lee + Noah + Thomas is about $10 mil a season but Phil pays them $35 mil. If you look at the stats from the other sites, it was pretty obvious too. Jrue could be a steal or a disaster depending on how much Phil pays him. Does Phil have any idea how much he's actually worth? Or is he just gonna give him a max contract with a trade kicker?
and NTC
Never let any opportunity to let that one pass!!!
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:At least this means more lottery picks!
yeah but it is really hard to root for loses. I hate lost seasons.
thats the whole point. If we execute on this draft its not a lost season. Any more than having KP to show for was a lost season. A lost season is losing 50+ with guys like Eddy Curry and knowing you have no draft pick and are going into the next season with the same roster.
How long does that outlook continue for? Eventually Phil's teams have to start winning, no? He can't just proudly say his legacy was that he brought a dozen lottery picks to the team.
He don't say that, we do!!!
But one more time, look at year one in great detail and you see just how bad our roster was.
ONe first round in three years. You can fire Phil all you want, that won't change.
Patience.
I'd rather replace him with someone who can keep up with the advances in the metrics (without ignoring he traditional eyeball test). If he's just being replaced by someone else Dolan picks, I don't know if that will help. You're right that people here say that, not Phil, though.
I'm not really sure how far he can get the team if Phil drafts very well but messes up 90% of his FA signings and trades. Eventually these lottery picks are gonna be on max and supermax contracts or he's going to have to trade them. The state of the team he inherited doesn't justify spending $80 mil of a $94 mil cap on Rose, Melo, Noah, Thomas, and Lee.
I'm not that concerned with the whole Metrics thing. Phil may not rely on it but just about all of his team does. They do the heavy lifting on scouting prospects. Phil admits he doesn't do it and trusts the people who are long time Pros at it.
As for Phil's signings and contract negotiations, I think his choices will be easier now since he isn't likely to be going after any elite level FA's at this stage. The biggest FA is likely a Jrue Holiday type or lower.
The rest of the team uses the metrics? Is he listening to them? It was obvious enough in advance from the metrics that these signings were bad. You have 538 for example saying the expected production value of Lee + Noah + Thomas is about $10 mil a season but Phil pays them $35 mil. If you look at the stats from the other sites, it was pretty obvious too. Jrue could be a steal or a disaster depending on how much Phil pays him. Does Phil have any idea how much he's actually worth? Or is he just gonna give him a max contract with a trade kicker?
and NTC
Never let any opportunity to let that one pass!!!
I couldn't find a positive article on phil regarding his tenure with the knicks anywhere online today. It's been all Bad
Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview.
No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
Is that right??..They make it hard to continue being a fan...
After a year that completely sucked, with no explanation from Phil..Gag order on the players too..Not even a tidbit???..So like mopes, just tune into the games and pay your fee...
holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
Is that right??..They make it hard to continue being a fan...
After a year that completely sucked, with no explanation from Phil..Gag order on the players too..Not even a tidbit???..So like mopes, just tune into the games and pay your fee...
You really are my favorite poster. You love Isiah till the bitter end but then you say things like the bold. I love it. I really do. I love Knick fans. I am literally farting rainbows right now at this moment for Knick fans everywhere.
Glad Phil is around for a couple more years. I am interested to see what adjustments he makes for his mistakes.
fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
Is that right??..They make it hard to continue being a fan...
After a year that completely sucked, with no explanation from Phil..Gag order on the players too..Not even a tidbit???..So like mopes, just tune into the games and pay your fee...
You really are my favorite poster. You love Isiah till the bitter end but then you say things like the bold. I love it. I really do. I love Knick fans. I am literally farting rainbows right now at this moment for Knick fans everywhere.Glad Phil is around for a couple more years. I am interested to see what adjustments he makes for his mistakes.
Not entirely true but false accusations wouldn't give you pause as I have proven in the past..But it warms my heart knowing I'm your fav....
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:At least this means more lottery picks!
yeah but it is really hard to root for loses. I hate lost seasons.
thats the whole point. If we execute on this draft its not a lost season. Any more than having KP to show for was a lost season. A lost season is losing 50+ with guys like Eddy Curry and knowing you have no draft pick and are going into the next season with the same roster.
How long does that outlook continue for? Eventually Phil's teams have to start winning, no? He can't just proudly say his legacy was that he brought a dozen lottery picks to the team.
He don't say that, we do!!!
But one more time, look at year one in great detail and you see just how bad our roster was.
ONe first round in three years. You can fire Phil all you want, that won't change.
Patience.
I'd rather replace him with someone who can keep up with the advances in the metrics (without ignoring he traditional eyeball test). If he's just being replaced by someone else Dolan picks, I don't know if that will help. You're right that people here say that, not Phil, though.
I'm not really sure how far he can get the team if Phil drafts very well but messes up 90% of his FA signings and trades. Eventually these lottery picks are gonna be on max and supermax contracts or he's going to have to trade them. The state of the team he inherited doesn't justify spending $80 mil of a $94 mil cap on Rose, Melo, Noah, Thomas, and Lee.
I'm not that concerned with the whole Metrics thing. Phil may not rely on it but just about all of his team does. They do the heavy lifting on scouting prospects. Phil admits he doesn't do it and trusts the people who are long time Pros at it.
As for Phil's signings and contract negotiations, I think his choices will be easier now since he isn't likely to be going after any elite level FA's at this stage. The biggest FA is likely a Jrue Holiday type or lower.
The rest of the team uses the metrics? Is he listening to them? It was obvious enough in advance from the metrics that these signings were bad. You have 538 for example saying the expected production value of Lee + Noah + Thomas is about $10 mil a season but Phil pays them $35 mil. If you look at the stats from the other sites, it was pretty obvious too. Jrue could be a steal or a disaster depending on how much Phil pays him. Does Phil have any idea how much he's actually worth? Or is he just gonna give him a max contract with a trade kicker?
Phil doesn't care about Metrics but when his team is looking at prospects other than the Noah or Rose types, they are actually looking at numbers and intangibles. Phil doesn't really do the research on guys like Holiday!!! Guys like Noah and Rose are ALL PHIL.
Gaines and Mills aren't looking at those the Noah and Rose types. Phil is the one responsible for those types of moves. The thing is we shouldn't expect many of those types of moves from here on. The focus has shifted more towards the younger players and that isn't what Phil focuses on. He leaves that stuff to his scouts.
fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
Is that right??..They make it hard to continue being a fan...
After a year that completely sucked, with no explanation from Phil..Gag order on the players too..Not even a tidbit???..So like mopes, just tune into the games and pay your fee...
You really are my favorite poster. You love Isiah till the bitter end but then you say things like the bold. I love it. I really do. I love Knick fans. I am literally farting rainbows right now at this moment for Knick fans everywhere.Glad Phil is around for a couple more years. I am interested to see what adjustments he makes for his mistakes.
until he resigns Rose and melo's still here..
I can put my house on it that your love for phil will turn just it has on melo
GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
This is exactly what I've been trying to say!!!
As for Gaines, this is his time to take a more dominant role! Much of what the team does from now on will be done by the scouting department since they handle the research into young prospects and NBA players. This is very good news for Knicks fans since these men have done a pretty good job. With very little draft assets.
GustavBahler wrote:Not unexpected. Some things I'd like to see Phil do is address the local media more, and by extension the fans, be more transparent. That was one of his promises going in. I read there is a gag order on players post exit interview. No more tweeting unless its something positive. Between Phil and Trump...
Be more available to execs who want to talk to him. Nothing good will come from not taking calls. Thats how you build relationships with other team's execs.
Phil (through the scouting dept) is good at finding talent. Its when Phil tries to hit that home run, that big deal, that things have gone south. Build around Porzingis. Getting Rose and Noah was building around Melo, not KP.
Give Gaines a larger role in the organization.
Leave Jeff alooooooooone. Let him do his thing, that includes letting Hornacek add another top assistant if he wants.
These are great goals for Phil. It would be a step in the right direction of he did this and it wouldn't be hard to do. He is here for two more years. It would be nice if he took care of the simple fixes.
holfresh wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19148...
New York Knicks owner James Dolan made a public commitment to honor Phil Jackson's five-year contract as team president in February. He has since followed through on that pledge.Sources familiar with the situation told ESPN that the Knicks and Jackson quietly picked up their option on the remaining two years of his contract this spring.
Jackson and the Knicks each had an option to walk away from each other at the end of this season. It was built into the contract after Year 3 because Jackson had no interest in working through a lockout. The NBA and its players' union made sure to avoid that this fall, when they agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement.
There was some speculation that either Jackson or the Knicks would want to end the relationship as the option trigger approached, but sources told ESPN that the final two years of Jackson's contract were picked up "a while ago."
Dolan said he planned to honor his five-year contract with Jackson "all the way to the end" during a Feb. 10 radio interview on The Michael Kay Show on ESPN New York 98.7 FM.
The Knicks completed a disappointing 31-51 season Wednesday with a 114-113 win over the Philadelphia 76ers. They have missed the playoffs for four straight seasons and have lost at least 50 games in the past three, all under Jackson. In total, New York is 80-166 In Jackson's three full seasons as team president.
Jackson and the Knicks hope to rebuild the roster this summer via the draft and free agency. The club will select no lower than ninth in the first round of June's draft. New York also projects to have more than $20 million in cap space to spend on free agents.
In addition to the draft and free agency, Jackson will have to decide how to approach Carmelo Anthony's future with the club.
The Knicks talked to several teams about trades involving Anthony prior to the deadline, and Anthony acknowledged Wednesday that the club may look to trade him again in the offseason.
I love how the headline says "Quietly" but it's all over the internet..lol
Phil won't talk to the media after the season.
This is from the guy who followed him for 25 years and wrote biographies of Jackson, Michael Jordan, and Kobe Bryant...
Knixkik wrote:Losing aside, Phil has not delivered on the culture-change that he promised at the beginning. His lack of communication with the media, fans, players, and agents is completely unacceptable. But from a basketball perspective, i'm not really sure what else he could have done. He wasn't going to convince top free agents to sign in NY no matter what. Guys like Durant and Aldridge only want to play for championship-ready teams. It's been prohven. Not even Boston could land an elite free agent (Horford is great but i don't view him as elite.) And Phil couldn't commit to a full rebuild because he has had 1 1st round pick in 3 years. So what other options were there really? Had he come into a situation with all draft picks, he would have likely let Melo go and rebuild, based on what we have seen. No doubt he values draft picks above everything else here. And the ones he has had, he has made the most of. Now we are in a situation where we no longer owe picks and can actually do a true rebuild. And there's young talent in place. So he is owed the last 2 years of this contract to use his draft picks and build a good, young team, and we will see what it looks like at the end of this.
That hasn't stopped the Nets. They realize they must rebuild, and they have no draft picks.
The issue for me is Phil might be a god awful judge of talent.
franco12 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Losing aside, Phil has not delivered on the culture-change that he promised at the beginning. His lack of communication with the media, fans, players, and agents is completely unacceptable. But from a basketball perspective, i'm not really sure what else he could have done. He wasn't going to convince top free agents to sign in NY no matter what. Guys like Durant and Aldridge only want to play for championship-ready teams. It's been prohven. Not even Boston could land an elite free agent (Horford is great but i don't view him as elite.) And Phil couldn't commit to a full rebuild because he has had 1 1st round pick in 3 years. So what other options were there really? Had he come into a situation with all draft picks, he would have likely let Melo go and rebuild, based on what we have seen. No doubt he values draft picks above everything else here. And the ones he has had, he has made the most of. Now we are in a situation where we no longer owe picks and can actually do a true rebuild. And there's young talent in place. So he is owed the last 2 years of this contract to use his draft picks and build a good, young team, and we will see what it looks like at the end of this.
That hasn't stopped the Nets. They realize they must rebuild, and they have no draft picks.
The issue for me is Phil might be a god awful judge of talent.
Don't quite understand the parallel. The Nets have Brook and ? They have nowhere to go but build.
franco12 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Losing aside, Phil has not delivered on the culture-change that he promised at the beginning. His lack of communication with the media, fans, players, and agents is completely unacceptable. But from a basketball perspective, i'm not really sure what else he could have done. He wasn't going to convince top free agents to sign in NY no matter what. Guys like Durant and Aldridge only want to play for championship-ready teams. It's been prohven. Not even Boston could land an elite free agent (Horford is great but i don't view him as elite.) And Phil couldn't commit to a full rebuild because he has had 1 1st round pick in 3 years. So what other options were there really? Had he come into a situation with all draft picks, he would have likely let Melo go and rebuild, based on what we have seen. No doubt he values draft picks above everything else here. And the ones he has had, he has made the most of. Now we are in a situation where we no longer owe picks and can actually do a true rebuild. And there's young talent in place. So he is owed the last 2 years of this contract to use his draft picks and build a good, young team, and we will see what it looks like at the end of this.
That hasn't stopped the Nets. They realize they must rebuild, and they have no draft picks.
The issue for me is Phil might be a god awful judge of talent.
Hasn't stopped the nets? You honestly think they're Rebuilding better than us?
Knixkik wrote:Losing aside, Phil has not delivered on the culture-change that he promised at the beginning. His lack of communication with the media, fans, players, and agents is completely unacceptable. But from a basketball perspective, i'm not really sure what else he could have done. He wasn't going to convince top free agents to sign in NY no matter what. Guys like Durant and Aldridge only want to play for championship-ready teams. It's been proven. Not even Boston could land an elite free agent (Horford is great but i don't view him as elite.) And Phil couldn't commit to a full rebuild because he has had 1 1st round pick in 3 years. So what other options were there really? Had he come into a situation with all draft picks, he would have likely let Melo go and rebuild, based on what we have seen. No doubt he values draft picks above everything else here. And the ones he has had, he has made the most of. Now we are in a situation where we no longer owe picks and can actually do a true rebuild. And there's young talent in place. So he is owed the last 2 years of this contract to use his draft picks and build a good, young team, and we will see what it looks like at the end of this.
This is a fair assessment. The real failures of the Phil era have been:
1) Obsessing over the Triangle when any efficient offense in the NBA can win. It's defense that is the necessity but he has almost completely ignored it. Noah lost two steps on D, but was given four years because he can pass like a Triangle center. The Knicks have the worst defense in the league since Phil took over.
2) Failure to build through Free Agency. He's had $30 million in cap room two years in a row. The only keeper he signed is Courtney Lee who is 31 and should be a team's fifth best starter. I like Courtney, but he's not really a building block, more a solid rotation guy. Rolo, Afflalo, DWill, Jennings all lasted less than a year here. We're stuck with Noah being useless for three more years.
3) Trades. He's gotten back less talent in every single trade. If you say he got more in the Rose trade, Rose is leaving this off-season while the Bulls will keep Rolo and Grant. Maybe we re-sign Holiday, who should be about the tenth man on a good team.
4) Coaching. He had too much faith in Fish at first, then fired him when he was starting to get it. Hornacek has been thrown under the bus and made to coach a system he doesn't understand. Rambis is an idiot who has been given far too much power. Courtney Lee called Rambis and Hornacek "dumb and dumber" in a post he quickly deleted.
5) as you said - Culture. We were told Phil would change the culture. It's business as usual at the Garden, right down to blaming the star player for a completely dysfunctional organization.
Abd yet people want to blame everything on Melo and sometimes Rose. I really can't wait til Melo is traded and Phil has no more scapegoats. Of course, he'll probably start blaming the coach again at that point.
crzymdups wrote:Knixkik wrote:Losing aside, Phil has not delivered on the culture-change that he promised at the beginning. His lack of communication with the media, fans, players, and agents is completely unacceptable. But from a basketball perspective, i'm not really sure what else he could have done. He wasn't going to convince top free agents to sign in NY no matter what. Guys like Durant and Aldridge only want to play for championship-ready teams. It's been proven. Not even Boston could land an elite free agent (Horford is great but i don't view him as elite.) And Phil couldn't commit to a full rebuild because he has had 1 1st round pick in 3 years. So what other options were there really? Had he come into a situation with all draft picks, he would have likely let Melo go and rebuild, based on what we have seen. No doubt he values draft picks above everything else here. And the ones he has had, he has made the most of. Now we are in a situation where we no longer owe picks and can actually do a true rebuild. And there's young talent in place. So he is owed the last 2 years of this contract to use his draft picks and build a good, young team, and we will see what it looks like at the end of this.
This is a fair assessment. The real failures of the Phil era have been:
1) Obsessing over the Triangle when any efficient offense in the NBA can win. It's defense that is the necessity but he has almost completely ignored it. Noah lost two steps on D, but was given four years because he can pass like a Triangle center. The Knicks have the worst defense in the league since Phil took over.
2) Failure to build through Free Agency. He's had $30 million in cap room two years in a row. The only keeper he signed is Courtney Lee who is 31 and should be a team's fifth best starter. I like Courtney, but he's not really a building block, more a solid rotation guy. Rolo, Afflalo, DWill, Jennings all lasted less than a year here. We're stuck with Noah being useless for three more years.
3) Trades. He's gotten back less talent in every single trade. If you say he got more in the Rose trade, Rose is leaving this off-season while the Bulls will keep Rolo and Grant. Maybe we re-sign Holiday, who should be about the tenth man on a good team.
4) Coaching. He had too much faith in Fish at first, then fired him when he was starting to get it. Hornacek has been thrown under the bus and made to coach a system he doesn't understand. Rambis is an idiot who has been given far too much power. Courtney Lee called Rambis and Hornacek "dumb and dumber" in a post he quickly deleted.
5) as you said - Culture. We were told Phil would change the culture. It's business as usual at the Garden, right down to blaming the star player for a completely dysfunctional organization.
Abd yet people want to blame everything on Melo and sometimes Rose. I really can't wait til Melo is traded and Phil has no more scapegoats. Of course, he'll probably start blaming the coach again at that point.
I seriously doubt melo goes anywhere just because of that exact reason..
who is he and the small list of fans that want him gone going to blame for the 4th 50 loss season
