KP and Willy front court it a future star front court one bulks up and becoums the best center in the league in KP.... Willy becomes the next LMA/gasol
Melo gets moved for rivers and reddick
Rivers, baker
Reddick,lee
Issac,lance
Willy,oquin
KP,Noah
I don't think people realize how talented KP and Willy are on offense KP is unstoppable and Willy has a polished low post game . The two of them are tougher to beat. Bring in the next Greek freak in issac at sf... dead eye in reddick. And talent in rivers and baker at the one ... that team is super young with good team chemistry.
Remove melo and rose and this team plays defense and passes to the open man... it is sad that melo and rose can't buy in to team basketball and refuse to be apart of a team... iverson me me me ball is dead and melo and rose are part of the casualty there old school ways are looked down on... its all about passing to the open players to get high percentage shots .... one on one ball is dead in today's NBA
It's going to take time and hard work. Our young core needs another Frontline talent which we hopefully can add this draft. And also hope the 2nd rd picks can net some solid role players.
Phil will have to make better decisions in Free Agency as well. I do think that the team is already well on its way in terms of rebuilding and those that doubt this simply haven't seriously looked at our situation and the moves that can happen this summer. Not only possible trades but Free Agency as well.
I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.
I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Reddick is an unrestricted free agent. Free agent sign and trades cannot be included in multi-player trades.
I think we're further away than a lot of people here are willing to admit to themselves.
franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
The title of this thread is literally "We are way further along then it looks in the rebuild"
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
The title of this thread is literally "We are way further along then it looks in the rebuild"
Way to negative man. You need to see the bright side of the team.
Vmart wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
The title of this thread is literally "We are way further along then it looks in the rebuild"
Way to negative man. You need to see the bright side of the team.
I think a lot of people have convinced themselves Melo is the problem, and some blame Rose, too. Without realizing that there is almost nothing beyond them on the roster. I like Willy and KP... we don't even know yet if they can start next to each other.
People here clamor for rebuild and then get impatient the day after the season ends. It's going to take several years and involve a fair amount of luck in the draft.
Let's take it one step at a time and see if we can actually trade Melo first. And if we can get a good draft pick.
When we get to that point, I will start to feel more optimistic. Right now, I'm still mad we finished the season 4-3 when going 0-7 would've given us sole possession of the 4 spot in the lotto. Instead we're tied for 6th.
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
The title of this thread is literally "We are way further along then it looks in the rebuild"
We are still talking about the start of a new core. There are many stages to come after establishing a new core. Saying we are way further along is relative. Some think we're miles away and others think this team is already on the road to rebuilding. We most certainly have already started the process.
I see Willy as a David lee type- I like him a lot, but I'm not sure you can be a great team with him as your starting C. I don't think he'll improve much and I see him more as a very nice backup.
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
The title of this thread is literally "We are way further along then it looks in the rebuild"
We are still talking about the start of a new core. There are many stages to come after establishing a new core. Saying we are way further along is relative. Some think we're miles away and others think this team is already on the road to rebuilding. We most certainly have already started the process.
Are we starting? Let's hear what Phil says.
Do we have a core?
Will KP be able to play a full 82 game season? Or close to it?
Can he sustain his level of play for a full season?
Yes he is young, but just because he gets older doesn't mean those questions automatically get answered yes.
He absolutely has the right attitude. But that just helps a player get to the right place. It's not a guarantee.
Where do we pick and what kind of talent will we add? I would have felt much better if we finished 4th instead of 6/7.
You're hoping that the same exec who thought Noah/Rose were good gambles and could fit his beloved triangle can admit he was wrong and engineer a rebuild. There were unpaid fans on this board who knew these bad moves that weren't going to pay off.
And you have to hope that Hornacek can turn things around and become a disciple of the triangle rather than a coach struggling with a system forced on them by their team president.
People here justify Phil's Noah and Rose deals as justified by the lack of draft picks. He had to try to win now because he didn't have 2 first round draft picks.
Well, we're further out on a rebuild than many here want to acknowledge.
fitzfarm wrote:KP and Willy front court it a future star front court one bulks up and becoums the best center in the league in KP.... Willy becomes the next LMA/gasolMelo gets moved for rivers and reddick
Rivers, baker
Reddick,lee
Issac,lance
Willy,oquin
KP,Noah
I don't think people realize how talented KP and Willy are on offense KP is unstoppable and Willy has a polished low post game . The two of them are tougher to beat. Bring in the next Greek freak in issac at sf... dead eye in reddick. And talent in rivers and baker at the one ... that team is super young with good team chemistry.
Remove melo and rose and this team plays defense and passes to the open man... it is sad that melo and rose can't buy in to team basketball and refuse to be apart of a team... iverson me me me ball is dead and melo and rose are part of the casualty there old school ways are looked down on... its all about passing to the open players to get high percentage shots .... one on one ball is dead in today's NBA
I stop in the 1st paragraph.
It's way far from reality.
If we can get a young core starter from a Melo trade and draft another core starter with the lottery pick, having KP and Willy as well, it then puts us in a pretty good spot, rebuild wise. Right now I'd say we are already rebuilding, but it's not "ahead" of where I'd want to be.
Would Smart for Melo entice you ? I'd do It. He plays hard nose D and understands about a winning culture. If they get Fultz and have Bradley and Thomas, Smart would be young and expendable. If I could pair him with Fox 🦊 I'd be thrilled though admittedly they need to improve their ACG %
Only your record can measure the progress of a rebuild. We'll see in a couple of years.
fitzfarm wrote:Remove melo and rose and this team plays defense and passes to the open man...
After Jackson and Melo are both gone, whenever that happen, five to seven years. It would take five to seven years to truly turn things around for this franchise for the better. The longer Jackson stays, the more likely he will sign another bad Noah like deal. Jackson will be gone in two years, but the legacy of the bad contracts he's giving out will extend beyond that.
The Knicks are better off than they were with Zeke ( But is that really that hard to do? Is it saying all that much?) But they aren't better off to where they could be if they just kept to the basic NBA rebuild blueprint ( there is literally no other sport with such a defined roadmap to an early team rebuild than the NBA, the script literally writes itself for you when you are rock bottom)
One of the things I appreciate most about Daryl Morey and Sam Hinkie were that they were super open about the idea of margin of error. In order for the Knicks to outstrip Melo and Jackson, they need close to zero margin of error for an extended period of time. This is not practical nor reasonable to expect. Even good teams, you are going to miss on some picks. You are going to miss on some decisions. But you need the asset base to have more opportunities to keep trying to find "hits" over misses.
IF you just look at two young players, the future for the Knicks seems brighter.
If you look at the franchise from a purely resource management perspective, given the current NBA marketplace, there are more questions than answers abound.
To "rebuild", you need everyone on the same page. That won't happen until both Jackson and Melo are gone, and that might not happen for two more years.
nyknickzingis wrote:If we can get a young core starter from a Melo trade and draft another core starter with the lottery pick, having KP and Willy as well, it then puts us in a pretty good spot, rebuild wise. Right now I'd say we are already rebuilding, but it's not "ahead" of where I'd want to be.
I don't know if the Knicks can get a young core starter for Melo. I have been trying to research Nelo's trade kicker the more I read the more I realize how hard it will be to move him. I think either Melo is back or some bad contracts are on the Knicks in his place. There are some situations where Melo can waive his ntc but I am not sure he is going to give up 12 mil for Phil.
we are right smack in the middle of it. We have a couple pieces but I would prepare for a couple more tough years.
Some things could swing that... If Lance/Noah are healthy next year the defense will be greatly improved. KP/Willy can take steps forward on both sides of the ball. We could get contributions from our lottery pick. We could get a decent player or prospect back for Melo. We could sign a FA or two that really help. We could play as a team and focus on the best defense we can play and sharing the ball. Many good things can happen and we could be a +500 team next year looking to get our young squad playoff experience.
Or Noah and Lance can be broken down with sporadic contributions at best. Willy and KP still have a lot of lumps to take on and will have nights prompting Briggs to post "KP destroyed by NBA players" type threads after a week of Dwight, Blake and Boogie. We could take a player like FrankT who may end up being a straight up star but take 2-3 years and doesnt take off till the ripe old age of 22. Ben Simmons, Jabari Parker... we have seen guys come into the league and miss whole seasons.. it happens.
So the point is this thing has the potential to pop. However if you look around the league and understand reality its unlikely. What is most likely is we are dead smack in the middle of it, will probably be a 30ish win team again, but if Phil can execute in this draft and the next will be well on our way. At that point Willy/KP are due for extensions. Noah/Lee would be in walk years. The roster would be pretty fluid and flexible and have a strong core of young talent. The type of base that gets you into the 2nd round every year. Go from there.
smackeddog wrote:I see Willy as a David lee type- I like him a lot, but I'm not sure you can be a great team with him as your starting C. I don't think he'll improve much and I see him more as a very nice backup.
Last I looked Golden State didn't win a championship without David Lee. Imagine if Lee had been with GS I would highly doubt that Thompson would have dominated the boards as much once Bogut went out.
smackeddog wrote:I see Willy as a David lee type- I like him a lot, but I'm not sure you can be a great team with him as your starting C. I don't think he'll improve much and I see him more as a very nice backup.
He's a 22 year old rookie! My god he had a fantastic rookie season. You know he finished 2nd on the team in WS/48? At the very worst Knicks got a good rotation player. There is nothing holding Willy back from being one of the better bigs in the NBA.
nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:I think we're further away than people think. A lot of the parts we have are nice but not nba caliber.I'm worried that KP is going to need a lot more time to develop physically. And he might never be as good as we hope. Honestly, KP willl need to be at least 26 before he will be strong enough to stand up.
Are you talking about far away from being a good team? Cuz that's not really what we're talking about. When you're rebuilding it's not about INSTANT contention as soon as you put the new core of the team together!!! We'll be adding more rookies and overall getting younger. WTF are thinking is supposed to happen?
Every team that thinks this way, has been in the same position for the last 5 yrs. That's why im so confused as if we're going to be and exception.
