Knicks · Would you trade KP for Boston's pick? (page 1)

I think the only way I'd consider it is if KP is on route to diva-ego status, and we also landed a top 3 pick- then I'd draft Fultz/ Ball and Josh Jackson.

smackeddog wrote:Just out of curiosity, if Phil decided to move KP following him skipping the exit interview, would you trade him for the Boston pick? (I think Boston would rather have KP that another PG or JJ). Basically what player or players in the draft would you trade KP for, if any? Fultz, Ball, Josh Jackson? And if you did what player would you then draft with our pick?

I think the only way I'd consider it is if KP is on rout to diva-ego status, and we also landed a top 3 pick- then I'd draft Fultz/ Ball and Josh Jackson.

smackeddog wrote:Just out of curiosity, if Phil decided to move KP following him skipping the exit interview, would you trade him for the Boston pick? (I think Boston would rather have KP that another PG or JJ). Basically what player or players in the draft would you trade KP for, if any? Fultz, Ball, Josh Jackson? And if you did what player would you then draft with our pick?

I think the only way I'd consider it is if KP is on rout to diva-ego status, and we also landed a top 3 pick- then I'd draft Fultz/ Ball and Josh Jackson.

If Boston gets the first overall pick, it would cost more than Zinger to acquire.

There are still some issues in play here

1) Zinger will be entering Year 3 of his cost control cycle, meaning Boston has a year to evaluate before being in a situation to pretty much be forced to offer him his next extension. The flip side is having IT2 and Horford are RIGHT NOW type acquisitions, so if the Celtics are going to push, they want to push right now.

2) If Boston picks up the 2nd or 3rd pick, that's a little fuzzier. There isn't a whole ton of precedent here in the current marketplace and era to gauge how that would shake out. The three pick they might move straight up, but it's unlikely the Knicks would do that deal.

3) Would the deal be the best overall option out of all teams in the league vying for either set of assets in place?

If it's the 1st or 2nd overall pick, essentially Tier 1 of the lottery, then it would cost more than Zinger alone, which makes the deal non viable for the Knicks, who need quantity, not just quality.

Baseline question is if Zinger entered this draft, where would he fall in it. If you believe he's in a separate tier ABOVE the current set of Ball and Fultz, you'd consider it as Boston.

I would not make the deal on either side. It just doesn't seem like a fit. Boston could likely get more viable assets for what they are trying to do from another team. The Knicks simply cannot give up quantity at this point.

Contrary to the above, I have no doubt (as in not one iota) that we could get the number 1 pick and then some from Boston. He is exactly the kind of player they covet. Smart. Competitive. Skills. And he would provide the length and rim protection they want

It would be historically the stupidest thing Knicks ever did. Even if zinger flipped Phil the bird the wise move is to be patient and get to the bottom of things. KP has good reason to be frustrated. Yes he shouldn't skip an exit interview. But no don't overreact. We now have actual NBA game evidence not college highlights etc and can say KP could go #1 in a lot of drafts. There have been a lot of Bennett thabets darkos beasleys who have sucked or mediocre at best on a good day. And a lot of oladipos russels etc who are good but for one reason or another well short of their lofty expectations. Boston is smart enough to know this.

Celtics would do it, though.

Knicks would regret it.

This is insane.

CrushAlot wrote:No because I am sure that pick will turn into a bad apple. This team needs more udfas. They play the right way.

Gudris wrote:Where else you will get 7"3 player like KP ?

You can't, but PG seems a more important position these days, and you could land a potentially elite PG like Fultz or Ball. If you want a big who can shoot, you could then also draft Markkanen or Isaac.

Not saying I'd do it, but that would be the logic. Need to seriously look at if KP is on board (starting to wonder if it was his people who leaked the story a few months ago that he could leave the Knicks in a few years), not getting too big for his boots, etc and make sure he isn't going to physically breakdown.

GustavBahler wrote:We traded the best big man the Knicks have had in more than a decade in Rolo after one season. Now we're going to trade the most promising big man we've had since Ewing after 2 seasons? For what, the Triangle?

This is insane.

Calm down. Amare, David Lee... nuff said. I don't need "but he's a two way player" argument. It's not real.

And yes I would trade KP for Boston's pick... but I would need a sweetener... like maybe a future pick or their top second round pick this year #36...

Knicks have Willy... they could add Fultz and Issacs... Nigel williams-goss 🔥🔥🔥... fuck it.

But that's only if there really was a riff...

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We traded the best big man the Knicks have had in more than a decade in Rolo after one season. Now we're going to trade the most promising big man we've had since Ewing after 2 seasons? For what, the Triangle?

This is insane.

Calm down. Amare, David Lee... nuff said. I don't need "but he's a two way player" argument. It's not real.

And yes I would trade KP for Boston's pick... but I would need a sweetener... like maybe a future pick or their top second round pick this year #36...

Knicks have Willy... they could add Fultz and Issacs... Nigel williams-goss 🔥🔥🔥... fuck it.

But that's only if there really was a riff...

You calm down. Amare for half a season, and David Lee was a stat padding beyotch in NY. Your approach to team building is unreal. Lets trade everyone who doesnt want to play the Triangle. Whoever is left, the team president will be more than happy to call out in public if they dont play it well enough. There's a plan.

GustavBahler wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We traded the best big man the Knicks have had in more than a decade in Rolo after one season. Now we're going to trade the most promising big man we've had since Ewing after 2 seasons? For what, the Triangle?

This is insane.

Calm down. Amare, David Lee... nuff said. I don't need "but he's a two way player" argument. It's not real.

And yes I would trade KP for Boston's pick... but I would need a sweetener... like maybe a future pick or their top second round pick this year #36...

Knicks have Willy... they could add Fultz and Issacs... Nigel williams-goss 🔥🔥🔥... fuck it.

But that's only if there really was a riff...

You calm down. Amare for half a season, and David Lee was a stat padding beyotch in NY. Your approach to team building is unreal. Lets trade everyone who doesnt want to play the Triangle. Whoever is left, the team president will be more than happy to call out in public if they dont play it well enough. There's a plan.

Anybody mention the triangle?

Team players... not selfish players. Team players play for the team... selfish players play for themselves. We lost because all of our best players were selfish...

If you have professional hardworking players buying into a team concept.... You have wining basketball. We didn't have that... That's losing basketball. So we're rebuilding... KP is very much a part of that, but if the dude is a developing diva or allowing Melo to influence his g'night process then yes he should go. None of that is confirmed. Just school girl whispers.

Team basketball... that's all I want. The word triangle is the ribbed dildo of every Knicks haters wet dream. When is it going to be about the Knicks? The team? Why did people want to put players above that?

So do we fire everyone in management again just to jerk Melo off for his last 2-3 years playing at a high level? Who are we going to get here between now and next off season? Will Mark Jackson be enough to lure players in like a catch a predator episode? Will a "young spurs executive" in tight wet sweatpants be enough to lead the Knicks?

Simply.... the Knicks need hard working professionals... leaders. Winners... no matter who is in Charge we need that. No matter who is coaching, there needs to be a team driven sysyem in place... 😘

WaltLongmire wrote:A maturing big who has not even touched his potential...you just can't make the trade if you are the Knicks.

Celtics would do it, though.

Knicks would regret it.

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We traded the best big man the Knicks have had in more than a decade in Rolo after one season. Now we're going to trade the most promising big man we've had since Ewing after 2 seasons? For what, the Triangle?

This is insane.

Calm down. Amare, David Lee... nuff said. I don't need "but he's a two way player" argument. It's not real.

And yes I would trade KP for Boston's pick... but I would need a sweetener... like maybe a future pick or their top second round pick this year #36...

Knicks have Willy... they could add Fultz and Issacs... Nigel williams-goss 🔥🔥🔥... fuck it.

But that's only if there really was a riff...

You calm down. Amare for half a season, and David Lee was a stat padding beyotch in NY. Your approach to team building is unreal. Lets trade everyone who doesnt want to play the Triangle. Whoever is left, the team president will be more than happy to call out in public if they dont play it well enough. There's a plan.

Anybody mention the triangle?

Team players... not selfish players. Team players play for the team... selfish players play for themselves. We lost because all of our best players were selfish...

If you have professional hardworking players buying into a team concept.... You have wining basketball. We didn't have that... That's losing basketball. So we're rebuilding... KP is very much a part of that, but if the dude is a developing diva or allowing Melo to influence his g'night process then yes he should go. None of that is confirmed. Just school girl whispers.

Team basketball... that's all I want. The word triangle is the ribbed dildo of every Knicks haters wet dream. When is it going to be about the Knicks? The team? Why did people want to put players above that?

So do we fire everyone in management again just to jerk Melo off for his last 2-3 years playing at a high level? Who are we going to get here between now and next off season? Will Mark Jackson be enough to lure players in like a catch a predator episode? Will a "young spurs executive" in tight wet sweatpants be enough to lead the Knicks?

Simply.... the Knicks need hard working professionals... leaders. Winners... no matter who is in Charge we need that. No matter who is coaching, there needs to be a team driven sysyem in place... 😘

School girl whispers, right. The same guy who kept saying there wasnt any drama on the Knicks all season until KP confirmed it, not that he had to. You've been wrong too many times to be starting up again with this shit.

I didnt want Melo back for the max, and not with an NTC. You're asking Melo and everyone else to master a system that should be taught by Phil Jackson, not someone with no experience with it, and certainly not with one of the worst coaches in NBA history as his asst. Phil Jackson had a HOF coach who invented the Triangle, who was there with him every step of the way. Phil is in his own little world if he thinks Rambis can perform the same function.

This is the main reason the roster is being flushed every year, not Melo. You let Hornacek coach the way he wants, and this team will do a lot better, and thats something to build on.

As I said before, if its this fing hard to find players for a boutique system (thats what the Triangle is in today's NBA) then its time to find another system. 3 years to put together a team, and we're back to square one again. You talk about all this like its a plan, Phil never planned to be racking up 50 plus loss seasons, and no playoffs. Which means he is doing something wrong.

Hell, if we're going back down memory lane, we might as well go back to Red Holzman. I remember lots of ball movement, and great D. Putting the Triangle before Porzingis is crazy. No other team in the league would do something like this, and for good reason. Its shortsighted and the Triangle will be in the dustbin of Knick history in 2 years. Then we're going to have to start again from scratch.

You really want Rose back and KP gone? I cant believe anyone believes this is a good idea.