Knicks · Phil/Melodrama... make it about what you want. To me nothing needs to be discussed past this (page 1)

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“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

There it is all in the open.

fishmike wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/17/knicks...

“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

yeah right Fish. He finally sees that he needs 2-way players what person does not know a team needs that. Did Melo bring in the many One-dimensional players?

Melo should go but to focus on Melo and not lay the blame on Phil is stupid.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/17/knicks...

“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

yeah right Fish. He finally sees that he needs 2-way players what person does not know a team needs that. Did Melo bring in the many One-dimensional players?

Melo should go but to focus on Melo and not lay the blame on Phil is stupid.

Last is last it doesn't matter who you bring in.

Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/17/knicks...

“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

yeah right Fish. He finally sees that he needs 2-way players what person does not know a team needs that. Did Melo bring in the many One-dimensional players?

Melo should go but to focus on Melo and not lay the blame on Phil is stupid.

OK. Its 100% Phil's fault. What now?

fishmike wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/17/knicks...

“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

You bring this one sided statistical post, and try to validate your reasons, which is a little ridiculous knowing we have the worst record in the NBA (by far) without him on the floor.

Phil doesn't have a bunch of options in where he can hand pick his roster to match the system he wants to implement. It's not like 20 FA are lined up waiting, or 20 different trades to choose from.

So when he has to settle for players that really don't fit, he turns around and says there's a resistants, then he gets a young coach (who has a more favorable approach/system that's conducive to his roster, the players, and the era we're living in, not to mention the players are very receptive to, he overrides that an appoints his buddy rambis to essentially take over and teach them. AT that point the coach has lost most of his rosters support.

Now that phil has made it perfectly clear to 400 other NBA players that if you dont fit my 2 yr triangle plan, you'll be waived, traded, or walking around with a "FOR SALE" (best offer) sign on your back. If the only way to get better is to trade melo, he pretty much took is BLUE CHIP stock, and turned it into penny stock.

NOW his best move(drafting kp)is disrespecting him by not showing up for a mandatory EXIT meeting, in a season where another player went AWOL, and multiple players have consistently complained about the system and the environment.

When are you going to stop making this all about mel when deep down you know better.

The only thing that i agree with what phil said..EVERY PLAYER ON THE ROSTER CAN BE TRADED

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Lopez was a 2 say player, Galloway 2 way player, Lance Thomas 2 way player, KOQ 2 way player, Holiday 2 way player, Lee 2 way player, Noah 2 way player. Ndour & Baker potential 2 way players with 3 point jumpers developed.

With the 30 mil name the players he should have signed who were available and willing to sign over the last 2 years. Who fit what your looking for and would have put this team in the direction you favor.

Forgot to add KP

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Not a scapegoat. Not blame. Buck stops here remember? This is 100% Phil's fault. Now does that make him stupid? Unable to grasp basketball? The game has passed him by? Ignoring Melo is stupid. I can only imagine the reactions if Phil didnt resign Melo. It would be more of same.

You want to talk evidence and reality. IF you think Phil could let Melo walk without giving him a max type contract you are simply full of poop. So holding Phil accountable for both resigning Melo and Melo's decline is just as lame.

But sure... Its all Phils fault. Same question.. whats the next move? You want to rebuild around the worst defensive player in the league? Lets dump Phil, Jeff, run the P&R, give Melo 25 touches at the elbow? Go tell me your fool proof plan for building around Melo.

You want to know why Melo is Phil's scapegoat? Because of Melo's poor play. If Melo played well you would be 100% right. What excuse could Phil have? If you wanted Phil gone the guy you should be mad at is STILL Melo! Melo's poor play, lack of effort and locker room descent ion is the #1 reason Phil gets more time here. So yea... scapegoat? Excuse? Whatever you want to label it it starts and ends with the above stats.

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Lopez was a 2 say player, Galloway 2 way player, Lance Thomas 2 way player, KOQ 2 way player, Holiday 2 way player, Lee 2 way player, Noah 2 way player. Ndour & Baker potential 2 way players with 3 point jumpers developed.

With the 30 mil name the players he should have signed who were available and willing to sign over the last 2 years. Who fit what your looking for and would have put this team in the direction you favor.

Early, Thanasis, KP, Willy and Louis Labeyrie. All draft picks with 2-way potential as well.

Phil is learning the toughest lesson for NBA execs... getting elite "build around" talent is really really hard.

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

The problem is on the court, Melo does not do the job. He resists Defense and resists the offense. He does not do whatever it takes to win. When asked what his role is, he talks only about scoring.

Phil deserves to answer for some moves BUT it is Melo who says he wants to win and then does not show up EVERY play or even EVERY game. You can actually see him dogging it. It's truly embarrassing.

Melo is the one constant for the last 6 years. Outside of 1 year with Kidd and others leading, they have had the same attitude on the court. Lazy, bad D etc... It is Melo.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/17/knicks...

“Right now, we need players that are really active, can play every single play. Defensively and offensively. That’s really important for us. We started to get some players on the floor that can do that, you know, and that’s the direction we have to go.”

It’s unfortunate that such players would be needed to fix the defense, but the numbers support what Jackson is saying.

Anthony finished the 2016-17 regular season at No. 418 in the NBA in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. It’s also worth noting that the Knicks allowed 111.1 points per 100 possessions with the 10-time All-Star on the floor.

Of the players who were on the court for at least 1,000 minutes in 2016-17, no player on the Knicks had a worse defensive rating than Anthony.

By comparison, the Knicks had a team-best defensive rating of 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the bench. That’s a difference of 6.4 points per 100 possessions, as well as a telling sign of his influence on the defensive end of the floor.

I have been very supportive of Melo over the recent years. There is no more to discuss. His scoring is down. His eff% is down. His rebounding is down. His assists are down. Hell... even his steals are at a career low. Oh... and he's the worst defensive player in the league.

It will be an ugly divorce with lots of unsavory comments and blame. After that basketball will be played, and perhaps.. just *maybe* shots will be contested

Melo is buddies with everyone in the NBA and in the Knick lockerroom. Of course it will be on Phil, the triangle, Jeff, Dolan, Oak and Rebecca Harlow. If it was on Melo he would have to say "I underperformed" and that does not appear to an option.

Yes its Phil's fault for signing Melo if you need that to be happy. He's also the only one who can fix this. Looks like its going to happen.

yeah right Fish. He finally sees that he needs 2-way players what person does not know a team needs that. Did Melo bring in the many One-dimensional players?

Melo should go but to focus on Melo and not lay the blame on Phil is stupid.

Did he just say that?

Its not Melo's fault the knicks have not succeeded in his 7 years.
But has a part in it.
Any President of Basketball operation is responsible for the team, its record, its financial salary structure, ability to be flexible, make trades, maintain draft picks or trade them, and responsible for the teams's culture.
ANyone think the team was on good footing before PHil came? Other than the 54 win team with the oldest roster and a few guys that were cooked by the all star break? Anyone like the net effect of trading for Bargnani?
Fault,blame, its what most of you talk about.
Pragmatically, its time for Melo to move on. Why is phil hostile to him? Maybe Phil thinks Melo is making him look bad. I said Maybe. Maybe he gave him the money, the NTC and the guy renegs on his promises. Maybe PHil is old and is really made at himself for the NTC and is passively aggressive for it.

Who knows. Does it all really matter?

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

You say all this like you are a professor in the obvious....

Melo should go exactly as Phil explained it.... the Knicks arent going to win in the near future. We're rebuilding through youth. That's why Melo should go.

Melo isn't a scapegoat... he's about to be 33... If he was 27 it would be a different story. He is not. That's pretty much it...

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

You say all this like you are a professor in the obvious....

Melo should go exactly as Phil explained it.... the Knicks arent going to win in the near future. We're rebuilding through youth. That's why Melo should go.

Melo isn't a scapegoat... he's about to be 33... If he was 27 it would be a different story. He is not. That's pretty much it...

WHy are you so sure of this and do you mean draft picks or FAs under 27, 28, or 30?

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

You say all this like you are a professor in the obvious....

Melo should go exactly as Phil explained it.... the Knicks arent going to win in the near future. We're rebuilding through youth. That's why Melo should go.

Melo isn't a scapegoat... he's about to be 33... If he was 27 it would be a different story. He is not. That's pretty much it...

WHy are you so sure of this and do you mean draft picks or FAs under 27, 28, or 30?

The Knicks will be getting younger. There's no way around it. They aren't a top landing spot for Vets looking to win now and they will be adding younger players thru the draft and likely FA's as well. I doubt they will be adding any over 30 players this summer. I think the team has enough Vet presence for now.

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Lopez was a 2 say player, Galloway 2 way player, Lance Thomas 2 way player, KOQ 2 way player, Holiday 2 way player, Lee 2 way player, Noah 2 way player. Ndour & Baker potential 2 way players with 3 point jumpers developed.

With the 30 mil name the players he should have signed who were available and willing to sign over the last 2 years. Who fit what your looking for and would have put this team in the direction you favor.

Forgot to add KP

Just to clarify, if you're a scrappy player, or a RFA, does that equal 2 way player? You can't be serious labeling these guys as 2-way players. They are barely one-way players. Baker and N'Dour are hanging on by a string just to be legit NBA players. KOQ, Holiday and Thomas are scrappy and they def give effort (some more than others) on D, but none of them offer much of anything on the offensive side of the ball when it counts. Noah is broken down so I wont even consider him....

When I think of 2 way players, I think of guys who can not only defend-well, but can actually score the ball...Jimmy butler, Klay, Serge...just to name a few.

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

If he stuck to it, and just spend the money, then you'd say "He old and inflexlible".........
C'mon, you know you would.

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Lopez was a 2 say player, Galloway 2 way player, Lance Thomas 2 way player, KOQ 2 way player, Holiday 2 way player, Lee 2 way player, Noah 2 way player. Ndour & Baker potential 2 way players with 3 point jumpers developed.

With the 30 mil name the players he should have signed who were available and willing to sign over the last 2 years. Who fit what your looking for and would have put this team in the direction you favor.

Forgot to add KP

Just to clarify, if you're a scrappy player, or a RFA, does that equal 2 way player? You can't be serious labeling these guys as 2-way players. They are barely one-way players. Baker and N'Dour are hanging on by a string just to be legit NBA players. KOQ, Holiday and Thomas are scrappy and they def give effort (some more than others) on D, but none of them offer much of anything on the offensive side of the ball when it counts. Noah is broken down so I wont even consider him....

When I think of 2 way players, I think of guys who can not only defend-well, but can actually score the ball...Jimmy butler, Klay, Serge...just to name a few.

Yes but you're also talking about All Star level players!!! Not every 2 way player is gonna be on that level.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

You say all this like you are a professor in the obvious....

Melo should go exactly as Phil explained it.... the Knicks arent going to win in the near future. We're rebuilding through youth. That's why Melo should go.

Melo isn't a scapegoat... he's about to be 33... If he was 27 it would be a different story. He is not. That's pretty much it...

WHy are you so sure of this and do you mean draft picks or FAs under 27, 28, or 30?

The Knicks will be getting younger. There's no way around it. They aren't a top landing spot for Vets looking to win now and they will be adding younger players thru the draft and likely FA's as well. I doubt they will be adding any over 30 players this summer. I think the team has enough Vet presence for now.

afflalo
lopez
noah
lee
dwill

everybody else phil traded for, none of those guys are even starters on a good team

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said he was going to build the team through free agency in 2015. He had $30m+ that offseason. $30m+ the next offseason. He brought in one two way player who probably comes off the bench on a good team.

He can't build a team. I'd love to hear a defense of Phil that doesn't invoke Melo.

Did Melo fire Fisher? Did Melo hire Hornacek? Did Melo make the trades?

Jesus, this goes so far beyond Melo at this point. Melo is just Phil's scapegoat and you dudes are buying it. Phil has lost KP. He's lost him. With the chaotic blame culture Phil has created. With the coaching confusion Phil has created. With the poor rosters Phil has constructed. Phil signed every single person on the court and every single coach.

Make a case for him without saying the word Melo. Or without mentioning teams that Jerry West or Jerry Krause built.

Lopez was a 2 say player, Galloway 2 way player, Lance Thomas 2 way player, KOQ 2 way player, Holiday 2 way player, Lee 2 way player, Noah 2 way player. Ndour & Baker potential 2 way players with 3 point jumpers developed.

With the 30 mil name the players he should have signed who were available and willing to sign over the last 2 years. Who fit what your looking for and would have put this team in the direction you favor.

Forgot to add KP

Just to clarify, if you're a scrappy player, or a RFA, does that equal 2 way player? You can't be serious labeling these guys as 2-way players. They are barely one-way players. Baker and N'Dour are hanging on by a string just to be legit NBA players. KOQ, Holiday and Thomas are scrappy and they def give effort (some more than others) on D, but none of them offer much of anything on the offensive side of the ball when it counts. Noah is broken down so I wont even consider him....

When I think of 2 way players, I think of guys who can not only defend-well, but can actually score the ball...Jimmy butler, Klay, Serge...just to name a few.

Yes but you're also talking about All Star level players!!! Not every 2 way player is gonna be on that level.

2 way players mean you can play-WELL on both sides of the ball! None of the above mentioned players can score the ball at any type of consistent level...