Knicks · I see melo staying for another yr, makes the most sense (page 2)

wargames @ 5/1/2017 7:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

crzymdups @ 5/1/2017 7:33 PM
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

knicks1248 @ 5/1/2017 7:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

nixluva @ 5/1/2017 7:45 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

crzymdups @ 5/1/2017 8:01 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

The bigger the deal, the more complicated. Melo's gonna be 33 and Phil torched his leverage because the entire league knows he needs to trade him. It's not gonna be easy.

CrushAlot @ 5/1/2017 8:02 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.
Nalod @ 5/1/2017 8:26 PM
Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.
nixluva @ 5/1/2017 8:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.

They can get around the Trade Kicker issue with smart configuring of the trade.

Melo's personal issues should not be the reason no deal is made. He's been able to enjoy a great situation all of this time whereas some players get moved a lot. Melo will live if he has to move. He's not going to go thru an entire season of being on the Knicks in an uncomfortable situation when he can move on to better things.

The NTC is a non issue in regards to Melo staying cuz it's in his best interests to seek a new team. What does it benefit his brand to force the Knicks to continue on with him when he's not wanted? In addition he'd be wasting yet another of his precious few remaining seasons. I mean come on. At a certain point it's just not logical to believe he's gonna stay out of spite or just cuz his son is still in NY. I'm sure he'd love to stay close but not if it's going to be a Media Firestorm all year.

crzymdups @ 5/1/2017 8:35 PM
Nalod wrote:Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.

Trades are still negotiations. If you go into a negotiation and the other side knows you are desperate, it's not going to be a great negotiation.

EnySpree @ 5/1/2017 8:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

Yes it definately won't be easy.... but all parties screwed themselves. So if there is a will there is a way

EnySpree @ 5/1/2017 8:45 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.

Trades are still negotiations. If you go into a negotiation and the other side knows you are desperate, it's not going to be a great negotiation.

The clippers have no future... they are desparate as well. Cp3 is a free agent, Griffin can opt out. The clippers need a Melo trade. They can't trade players that aren't in the roster. Thet have no draft picks... thet are in a dire situation

crzymdups @ 5/1/2017 8:47 PM
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.

Trades are still negotiations. If you go into a negotiation and the other side knows you are desperate, it's not going to be a great negotiation.

The clippers have no future... they are desparate as well. Cp3 is a free agent, Griffin can opt out. The clippers need a Melo trade. They can't trade players that aren't in the roster. Thet have no draft picks... thet are in a dire situation

The Knicks refused their last offer of Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford, they can't get Blake to agree to a sign and trade unless he wants to go there... I'm just saying it's going to be difficult. I think it's the most likely trade if a trade happens but it's far from a done deal.

CrushAlot @ 5/1/2017 9:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.

They can get around the Trade Kicker issue with smart configuring of the trade.

Melo's personal issues should not be the reason no deal is made. He's been able to enjoy a great situation all of this time whereas some players get moved a lot. Melo will live if he has to move. He's not going to go thru an entire season of being on the Knicks in an uncomfortable situation when he can move on to better things.

The NTC is a non issue in regards to Melo staying cuz it's in his best interests to seek a new team. What does it benefit his brand to force the Knicks to continue on with him when he's not wanted? In addition he'd be wasting yet another of his precious few remaining seasons. I mean come on. At a certain point it's just not logical to believe he's gonna stay out of spite or just cuz his son is still in NY. I'm sure he'd love to stay close but not if it's going to be a Media Firestorm all year.

Melo was given a ntc. He can say no to any deal for whatever reason he wants. Saving his marriage and being near his son seems like something he might think is worthwhile. I don't think that would be out of spite. I don't think he stays out of spite. I do think he might stay for marriage/family reasons and there is nothing anyone can do about it no matter what they write or try to explain away. He was given a ntc by Phil. Also, smart configuring of trades becomes complicated when there is a small list of teams. In addition, Melo would have to want waive his trade kicker and it would have to work based on the cba. AFter that presser staying out of spite probably isn't an option but refusing to waive the trade kicker certainly is and that makes any deal extremely complex. If Phil and Melo were on good terms asking Melo to waive a 9 mil trade kicker is a stretch.
knicks1248 @ 5/1/2017 9:26 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.

They can get around the Trade Kicker issue with smart configuring of the trade.

Melo's personal issues should not be the reason no deal is made. He's been able to enjoy a great situation all of this time whereas some players get moved a lot. Melo will live if he has to move. He's not going to go thru an entire season of being on the Knicks in an uncomfortable situation when he can move on to better things.

The NTC is a non issue in regards to Melo staying cuz it's in his best interests to seek a new team. What does it benefit his brand to force the Knicks to continue on with him when he's not wanted? In addition he'd be wasting yet another of his precious few remaining seasons. I mean come on. At a certain point it's just not logical to believe he's gonna stay out of spite or just cuz his son is still in NY. I'm sure he'd love to stay close but not if it's going to be a Media Firestorm all year.

That's why you don't really get it, the only person that doesn't want melo is phil and like 30% of knick fans. Why is it in his best interest to go play for another franchise that is not on the cusp of a championship, which is why he came back.

He forced his way to NY, and re-sign a NTC contract with a team that won 17 fckng GAMES, Dude think about that. He has KP and the entire roster in his corner, and when phil said the comments during the press conference, He tweets REALLY, basically laughing at phil because he has a NTC(he says if and when he wants to go, not phil)...So YES THE NTC is a major deal breaker because he absolutely loves playing in NY, and that's so obvious.

You just can't understand why would he want to even stay here after the losing and phil..But you haven't been paying attention to the little sht melo says through his many of press conferences and his action..IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE PERFECT DEAL FOR HIM TO WAIVE THAT.

EnySpree @ 5/1/2017 9:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.

Trades are still negotiations. If you go into a negotiation and the other side knows you are desperate, it's not going to be a great negotiation.

The clippers have no future... they are desparate as well. Cp3 is a free agent, Griffin can opt out. The clippers need a Melo trade. They can't trade players that aren't in the roster. Thet have no draft picks... thet are in a dire situation

The Knicks refused their last offer of Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford, they can't get Blake to agree to a sign and trade unless he wants to go there... I'm just saying it's going to be difficult. I think it's the most likely trade if a trade happens but it's far from a done deal.

The knicks were right for passing on that deal. Now since the Clippers didn't try harder to get Melo, now they are at the mercy of the market. Thet are going to have to hope Melo and CP3 are talking right now about teaming up with the Clippers.... maybe a 3 way trade that sends Grifin somewhere else and gets the Knicks what they need to satisfy their end of the trade.

ekstarks94 @ 5/1/2017 9:48 PM
Vmart wrote:If Melo stays past this summer it will be a disaster. They might as well buy him out at that point.

No way in hell I am buying out Mel....can he play the team cancer card with impressionable players yes...at that point bench and suspend....he won't go that route because of branding damage...so he will play the good soldier or leave...problem solved.

nixluva @ 5/1/2017 10:01 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.

They can get around the Trade Kicker issue with smart configuring of the trade.

Melo's personal issues should not be the reason no deal is made. He's been able to enjoy a great situation all of this time whereas some players get moved a lot. Melo will live if he has to move. He's not going to go thru an entire season of being on the Knicks in an uncomfortable situation when he can move on to better things.

The NTC is a non issue in regards to Melo staying cuz it's in his best interests to seek a new team. What does it benefit his brand to force the Knicks to continue on with him when he's not wanted? In addition he'd be wasting yet another of his precious few remaining seasons. I mean come on. At a certain point it's just not logical to believe he's gonna stay out of spite or just cuz his son is still in NY. I'm sure he'd love to stay close but not if it's going to be a Media Firestorm all year.

That's why you don't really get it, the only person that doesn't want melo is phil and like 30% of knick fans. Why is it in his best interest to go play for another franchise that is not on the cusp of a championship, which is why he came back.

He forced his way to NY, and re-sign a NTC contract with a team that won 17 fckng GAMES, Dude think about that. He has KP and the entire roster in his corner, and when phil said the comments during the press conference, He tweets REALLY, basically laughing at phil because he has a NTC(he says if and when he wants to go, not phil)...So YES THE NTC is a major deal breaker because he absolutely loves playing in NY, and that's so obvious.

You just can't understand why would he want to even stay here after the losing and phil..But you haven't been paying attention to the little sht melo says through his many of press conferences and his action..IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE PERFECT DEAL FOR HIM TO WAIVE THAT.


You don't know how many of Melo's teammates really care of he stays or goes. You're just assuming they all love him. Could be and it could be that most don't really care what he does. It's really not a factor in this conversation.

This is about Phil not wanting Melo on the team for good reason and as Phil transitions the roster to one with more youth which is going to happen even if no deal is made, that puts Melo in a tough spot. He's welcome to stay and ride along with this rebuild if he wants. His minutes aren't guaranteed if the Knicks want to play younger players. If Melo stays he's gonna have to buy in or see his minutes reduced. MELO AIN'T RUNNIN SHYTE!

It's best for Melo to be cooperative in finding a new home. It does him no good to stay and be in the way if he continues to refuse to buy into what Phil is asking of him. YOu guys simply don't get that the entire reason for this problem is MELO NOT BUYING IN. You keep looking at Phil but that's not the source of the problem!

Now as for Melo wanting to save his marriage that sounds noble but it has nothing to do with whether he should stay in NY as a player. Saving his relationship with his wife is completely separate from how he fits into the Knicks direction going forward. Being in NY didn't stop his marriage from falling on the rocks so staying in NY isn't what's going to necessarily save it either.

crzymdups @ 5/1/2017 10:16 PM
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its business. Fans take it personal. We love the drama and think we know whats up.
Phil didn't kill his value, his NTC did. Every team has reams of video and knows whats good about his game, and what isn't.
If there are teams that want him, his value goes up. If not, we get little in return. ITs not about team secrets or hidden personality traits.
The guy is not a multifaceted player. He rarely was. he is an elite scorer and thats still a valuable commodity for the right team.

Trades are still negotiations. If you go into a negotiation and the other side knows you are desperate, it's not going to be a great negotiation.

The clippers have no future... they are desparate as well. Cp3 is a free agent, Griffin can opt out. The clippers need a Melo trade. They can't trade players that aren't in the roster. Thet have no draft picks... thet are in a dire situation

The Knicks refused their last offer of Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford, they can't get Blake to agree to a sign and trade unless he wants to go there... I'm just saying it's going to be difficult. I think it's the most likely trade if a trade happens but it's far from a done deal.

The knicks were right for passing on that deal. Now since the Clippers didn't try harder to get Melo, now they are at the mercy of the market. Thet are going to have to hope Melo and CP3 are talking right now about teaming up with the Clippers.... maybe a 3 way trade that sends Grifin somewhere else and gets the Knicks what they need to satisfy their end of the trade.

Yeah, I could see the Celtics getting involved to get Griffin. We'll see. It'll be interesting.

GustavBahler @ 5/1/2017 10:43 PM
Depends on what the Knicks are offered over the summer. If its a deal that will bring picks, cap space, or players on the rise, I would go for it. If its a classic Knicks dumpster fire of a trade, sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from.
Vmart @ 5/2/2017 12:11 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Thought this was relevant. Nichols makes a good point at the end - Detroit decided to blow it up and go younger in 2008. They haven't won a playoffs series since.


What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty of teams that have had success. The Knicks have been trying to satisfy stars, media and fairweather fans for 15 years... what have thay done us? Rebuild through the draft for 1000 Alex

Just pointing out its not easy.

But I think it's fairly relevant to mention that the Clippers don't have a straight forward decision to make here either, as they are the most often cited Melo destination.

The Clippers aren't in the position to blow the team up for youth. They've traded way to many picks for aging roleplayers.

Yeah. But last report I saw said the Knicks were the one to walk away at the trade deadline after the Clippers offered Austin Rivers and Jamal. Clippers might have to include Griffin or expand it to a three way deal since Melo for Blake isn't exactly a good trade for the clippers.

It won't be an easy decision for them. Or an easy trade to complete.

It's not impossible, but it's going to be very difficult, that's why part of me feels this is a mind game thing for phil.

And please forget about melo ever taking a 6th man role, I recall a reporter asking him that during his last post game conference , and he shut it down before the reporter could even finish the question, Like next next question?

Melo is going to have to be moved. They will all have to dig deep and find a way. IMO there are enough teams that will want something and be willing to get involved for a deal to be made. It's likely going to be a huge deal with not just Melo being moved from the Knicks.

It is a tough situation. Some of the trade scenarios require Melo to accept all of his trade kicker. So waiving it is not even an option in some situations. Also, if Melo doesn't want to leave because of his family situation nothing happens because he was given a ntc. Things might just be a little tense because of the press conference Phil gave if he decides he wants to stay in ny.

They can get around the Trade Kicker issue with smart configuring of the trade.

Melo's personal issues should not be the reason no deal is made. He's been able to enjoy a great situation all of this time whereas some players get moved a lot. Melo will live if he has to move. He's not going to go thru an entire season of being on the Knicks in an uncomfortable situation when he can move on to better things.

The NTC is a non issue in regards to Melo staying cuz it's in his best interests to seek a new team. What does it benefit his brand to force the Knicks to continue on with him when he's not wanted? In addition he'd be wasting yet another of his precious few remaining seasons. I mean come on. At a certain point it's just not logical to believe he's gonna stay out of spite or just cuz his son is still in NY. I'm sure he'd love to stay close but not if it's going to be a Media Firestorm all year.

Melo was given a ntc. He can say no to any deal for whatever reason he wants. Saving his marriage and being near his son seems like something he might think is worthwhile. I don't think that would be out of spite. I don't think he stays out of spite. I do think he might stay for marriage/family reasons and there is nothing anyone can do about it no matter what they write or try to explain away. He was given a ntc by Phil. Also, smart configuring of trades becomes complicated when there is a small list of teams. In addition, Melo would have to want waive his trade kicker and it would have to work based on the cba. AFter that presser staying out of spite probably isn't an option but refusing to waive the trade kicker certainly is and that makes any deal extremely complex. If Phil and Melo were on good terms asking Melo to waive a 9 mil trade kicker is a stretch.
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Melo was given a ntc but riding the bench isn't an option. He has to take that into consideration also. Melo can't have that his brand will suffer. I'm convinced he will waive the ntc.

meloshouldgo @ 5/2/2017 6:42 AM
Gudris wrote:
Vmart wrote:If Melo stays past this summer it will be a disaster. They might as well buy him out at that point.

I dont think so, if Melo stays, he should play his ass off every game just to prove that Phil is not right, if he stays and we still loose games it will be disaster for Melo. I think he understand this very well know. I think Melo is very capable of playing team basketball, he just need stop thinking he is only savior on a team, thats it.

This is like saying that Trump has to do stuff for the middle class to prove that he cares. In reality it's the middle class that cares about Trump (for all the wrong reasons), not the other way round. Just look around on this forum - there are 10 million threads showing that everything Phil does or says is wrong. What proof is required for these people? Can't fix stupid.

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