Knicks · Dan Favale: NBA Math: Knicks don't have to trade Carmelo Anthony (page 2)

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

OK but you're not getting anything for him (other than cap space) if he walks in a year. So if you can get lesser talent and a pick (without taking more salary), that's better. I doubt that's an option though.

The way Phil talked about Melo it doesn't seem like he's thinking about just giving him away. Sounds like he is going to hold the line on the value he gets back or just keep Melo. I fully expect some MAJOR negotiations to be going on tho. Melo is still very much a good scoring addition to a Playoff team. In fact the success of Joe Johnson actually enhances the interest in Melo IMO.

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Maxing CP3 and Blake is about as narrow minded as one can get, The last two yrs of that contract will be brutal, he'll have about as much as Kidd had in his tank when he played for the knicks, and making 32 million..You dont sign 4 yr contracts to anyone 32 and over.

It is crazy that CP3 never gets heat for consistent playoff failures, but IMO, doc rivers and woods on are not good coaches, when it comes down to the playoffs, the never make adjustment. We already know that about woodson, but doc was horrible this yr, trying to run the same game plan despite the jazz countering it pretty effectively..

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Maxing CP3 and Blake is about as narrow minded as one can get, The last two yrs of that contract will be brutal, he'll have about as much as Kidd had in his tank when he played for the knicks, and making 32 million..You dont sign 4 yr contracts to anyone 32 and over.

It is crazy that CP3 never gets heat for consistent playoff failures, but IMO, doc rivers and woods on are not good coaches, when it comes down to the playoffs, the never make adjustment. We already know that about woodson, but doc was horrible this yr, trying to run the same game plan despite the jazz countering it pretty effectively..

Paul doesn't receive much blame because he actually puts up great numbers most of the time. He has had some serious meltdowns in the playoffs too but for the most part he is not really at fault.

Also, because of Paul's shooting ability and defensive skills to guard both guard positions despite his size I think he will last a long time like Nash and Stockton did. Billups is another example of an effective over 30 guard but the Achilles tear put an end to probably 3 or 4 more years of quality play.

I really would hope someone would do an article on the history of PGs and their shelf-life in the NBA. Do elite PGs last longer than elite wings and bigs?

yellowboy90 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Maxing CP3 and Blake is about as narrow minded as one can get, The last two yrs of that contract will be brutal, he'll have about as much as Kidd had in his tank when he played for the knicks, and making 32 million..You dont sign 4 yr contracts to anyone 32 and over.

It is crazy that CP3 never gets heat for consistent playoff failures, but IMO, doc rivers and woods on are not good coaches, when it comes down to the playoffs, the never make adjustment. We already know that about woodson, but doc was horrible this yr, trying to run the same game plan despite the jazz countering it pretty effectively..

Paul doesn't receive much blame because he actually puts up great numbers most of the time. He has had some serious meltdowns in the playoffs too but for the most part he is not really at fault.

Also, because of Paul's shooting ability and defensive skills to guard both guard positions despite his size I think he will last a long time like Nash and Stockton did. Billups is another example of an effective over 30 guard but the Achilles tear put an end to probably 3 or 4 more years of quality play.

I really would hope someone would do an article on the history of PGs and their shelf-life in the NBA. Do elite PGs last longer than elite wings and bigs?

CP3:
reg season .474 (834 games)
playoffs .484 (76 games)

Melo:
reg season .452 (976 games)
playoffs .417 (66 games)

Even more amazing is Melo has failed to shoot 40% in more than half the playoffs games he's been in. Some cause and effect as far as criticism.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Maxing CP3 and Blake is about as narrow minded as one can get, The last two yrs of that contract will be brutal, he'll have about as much as Kidd had in his tank when he played for the knicks, and making 32 million..You dont sign 4 yr contracts to anyone 32 and over.

It is crazy that CP3 never gets heat for consistent playoff failures, but IMO, doc rivers and woods on are not good coaches, when it comes down to the playoffs, the never make adjustment. We already know that about woodson, but doc was horrible this yr, trying to run the same game plan despite the jazz countering it pretty effectively..

Paul doesn't receive much blame because he actually puts up great numbers most of the time. He has had some serious meltdowns in the playoffs too but for the most part he is not really at fault.

Also, because of Paul's shooting ability and defensive skills to guard both guard positions despite his size I think he will last a long time like Nash and Stockton did. Billups is another example of an effective over 30 guard but the Achilles tear put an end to probably 3 or 4 more years of quality play.

I really would hope someone would do an article on the history of PGs and their shelf-life in the NBA. Do elite PGs last longer than elite wings and bigs?

CP3:
reg season .474 (834 games)
playoffs .484 (76 games)

Melo:
reg season .452 (976 games)
playoffs .417 (66 games)

Even more amazing is Melo has failed to shoot 40% in more than half the playoffs games he's been in. Some cause and effect as far as criticism.

You shouldn't even have to explain this. SMDH! COME ON PEOPLE!

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I said 5 yrs ago, that melo would never win a ring until he is a role player similar to where ISO joe is in his career. But that's not the basis of the article, It pretty much piggy backing on my thread about keeping melo for another yr. Trading him now for lesser talent, longer contracts and end of the draft picks, is a desperarate personal feelings move, it's not good business decision, it's like 2 steps back. we are not contending next season for nothing more than a playoff birth, which we can do with melo, and at least 1 or 2 better players in tow

Look, if Melo gets the Triangle religion and stays, fine. But the idea that his trade value will increase after yet another year is an exercise in magical thinking. I mean, who the hell cares about Melo? Is somebody going to scout him at his age?

Right now he has some friends left in the league who can lobby for him - say CP3 in LA. By next year CP3 will need somebody to lobby for him. The shelf life of athletes is short. This is why Phil advised Melo to hit the road while he still can.

Chris Paul like the Melo of guards. Never even been to the conf. finals!!! Do Clipper fans debate him? Does he get a max contract? How does that age? $200 million contract over 5 years. I like the guy, hell of a player but Clippers kind of pulled a play from out book by trading away picks, trying to win now, and have two players that are due big money and rebuilding is difficult by moving picks.
Kind of sucks when your max starting center can't hit a free throw and his name is not Shaq.

Chris Paul is nothing like Melo. Great on both sides of the ball. A real fiesty and intense player. It just never seems to work out for them in the playoffs. But I agree, they are kind of stuck with who they are.