Knicks · Mannix lottery podcast with Givony and Wojo (page 2)
newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Having an environment that lets Rose go unpunished for leaving his team without notice is a problem. Maybe KP does not want stuff like that to continue. Maybe there are more inside incidents that we do not know about that has KP feeling the way he does.So he goes and does pretty much what rose does? Hypocrisy!
The reason why Rose only came away with a small fine was because his teammates came together and asked management not to punish him after hearing his reasons. So i'm guessing management was moved and gave him a slap on the wrist.
I had never heard this explanation before but its refreshing. It also incontrovertibly contradicts the pundit fiction. A dysfunctional organization would have no such ad hoc process that would not only be listened to but responded to respectfully.
newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Not bad. I think they spent a bit too much time editorializing about the Knicks Front Office and KP. KP WANTS to be in NY. The Knicks will have plenty of time to get KP straightened out. The Knicks will be adding a lot of talent to play with KP. There's really no major hindrances once the Melo issue is resolved.I think Wojo generally is in a state of disbelief in regards to how bad things are with the Knicks and Phil running things. This was the first time that I have heard him reference having a conversation with KP. (it wasnt about the state of the knicks). I also thought his insight into Pelinka scouting and recruiting guys to sign with him right up until he became gm of the Lakers was interesting. I wonder if more teams follow the Warriors model and hire agents to run things.
There doesn't seem to be any disconnect between Phil, Mills, JH. They pretty much explained what happen this season. The "dysfunction" came from them trying to figure out how to adjust JHs modern triangle with Rose, Jennings & Melo's games. They tried different things to find solutions to these answers thus causing "dysfunction". JH is not at the stage of his career where he can demand players like Rose and Melo conform to his will or to die on his shield. So he tried different angles to try and make it work. Nothing worked because Rose and Melo played for themselves and were getting a pass doing it while Phil and JH took all the heat.
If we begin to triangulate the source of the problem, you can't help but come to the conclusion that Jennings whose idea of being a teammate is to be a constant source of disruption both on and off the court might be the "dysfunction" trigger for all of these stories.
As he showed so well in the playoffs, he's worthless and given his antics will likely not be back in the NBA next year. Who cares?
And I still can't forgive Melo who somewhere along the line in that losing streak should have had a closed door meeting with his teammates and said, "Cut the Sh@t, let's start winning, follow me".
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't remember it verbatim but I think Wojo stated what the issues were very well. I agree with him. I don't think KP sticks around if Phil keeps messing up in all aspects of his job. Nothing he said in his presser gave any indication that he is changing. If anything he is doubling down.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Not bad. I think they spent a bit too much time editorializing about the Knicks Front Office and KP. KP WANTS to be in NY. The Knicks will have plenty of time to get KP straightened out. The Knicks will be adding a lot of talent to play with KP. There's really no major hindrances once the Melo issue is resolved.I think Wojo generally is in a state of disbelief in regards to how bad things are with the Knicks and Phil running things. This was the first time that I have heard him reference having a conversation with KP. (it wasnt about the state of the knicks). I also thought his insight into Pelinka scouting and recruiting guys to sign with him right up until he became gm of the Lakers was interesting. I wonder if more teams follow the Warriors model and hire agents to run things.
The main issue was dealing with Rose missing camp and then Noah not being healthy. Then BJ and Melo not buying in and all of them basically mounting a Mutiny! Once Melo is gone THERE IS NO DYSFUNCTION! People are not picking up on how detrimental the vets were to the process this year. KP and Janis are taking the Players side but not realizing those guys were wrong.
KP will stay because it's in his BEST interests and NOTHING has been so bad to warrant KP sacrificing Millions that he can make by signing an Extension and subsequent contracts in NY! Phil is about to be the only Knicks GM to have a roster built with 2 top 10 Knicks Draft Picks! We haven't seen this from any Knicks GM in recent history.
This will be a much better team minus Players that don't buy in or give Max Effort. KP will see this as will everyone else. Including you
In two years when KP will be a free agent all this Melo and Phil stuff will be over, Melo will be happy playing elsewhere and KP will be happy that Melo is happy elsewhere. We'll have multiple young players with at least two of them being lottery picks with this years and next years lottery picks and some 2nd round picks and whatever players Phil has added in free agency. Phil will also be finishing up his contract at the same time KP will be finishing his and will hopefully be replaced by the right guy which will either be A.Houston who it seems all players like or a legit guy looking for his next GM job.This will all blow over in two years and might be blown over by the end of next year.
yellowboy90 wrote:Having an environment that lets Rose go unpunished for leaving his team without notice is a problem. Maybe KP does not want stuff like that to continue. Maybe there are more inside incidents that we do not know about that has KP feeling the way he does.
That whole Rose thing has already been forgotten by the players.
CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.
You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
TripleThreat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
KP is going to want to sign an Early Extension with the Knicks for big money! I don't think any of this crap is going to result in KP leaving. Once we get past the draft things will be resolved and it'll be about next season and beyond.
TripleThreat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
I have to be honest, I didn't know about the Wojo/Miller connection. But it makes sense that Wojo is putting out what Miller/KP think about the Knicks and how Phil is running things. I would much rather the Knicks move on from Phil then move on from KP. However, if Phil is staying I think KP will leave.
CrushAlot wrote:TripleThreat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
I have to be honest, I didn't know about the Wojo/Miller connection. But it makes sense that Wojo is putting out what Miller/KP think about the Knicks and how Phil is running things. I would much rather the Knicks move on from Phil then move on from KP. However, if Phil is staying I think KP will leave.
KP is locked in his rookie deal for another 3-4 years until he can be an unrestricted FA. The new CBA is all about player retention and gives teams with rights major advantages over other teams. If 3-4 years from now KP doesnt want to sign an extention. The Knicks will probably look at S&T options. But thats is 3-4 years from now.
newyorknewyork wrote:KP is locked in his rookie deal for another 3-4 years until he can be an unrestricted FA. The new CBA is all about player retention and gives teams with rights major advantages over other teams. If 3-4 years from now KP doesnt want to sign an extention. The Knicks will probably look at S&T options. But thats is 3-4 years from now.
Two more years of his rookie contract, then possibly Zinger playing, IIRC, under a 5th year tender as a RFA to gain UFA the season after. If he signs a 5th year tender, he can't be traded in that 5th year.
If he's traded at the start of Year 4, he has lame duck status, which decreases his trade value.
The MAX value for trading Zinger will be this deadline, likely before it, IF he establishes a breakout early on in the season.
Sign and trades are virtually dead in the current CBA. No team will give up assets for a player they can just get for cap space once Zinger becomes a lame duck situation.
IF the Knicks are going to trade Zinger, if the goal is to maximize possible return, it has to be this year.
I'm not sure it needs to be broadcasted any clearer than it has already. Wojo is mouthpiecing for Zinger's agent, the kid wants out. If the Knicks don't trade him, he's walking after Year 5.
This is not surgery, it's triage.
TripleThreat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
Being one foot out the door couldn't be further from the truth. He confirmed this when his brother told the media if he's traded he would become a free agent. That's what you say when you are trying to prevent being traded. His brother is the one to believe. All he want is an environment he can develop and win in. He wants it in ny. He made that very clear.
Knixkik wrote:TripleThreat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Wojo talked about how he thinks the biggest things the Knicks need to do this offseason is get things right with KP. He said KP has reached out to a lot of star players to ask for pointers, what organizations that win do etc. and that he isn't seeing it in NY. He also spoke to Porzingis being one of the highest character rookies he had encountered. He described him as a guy that wants to be great and win in NY but doesn't see the foundation in place for winning with the dysfunction etc that has been going on since he arrived. He talks a lot more about it. He said the Knicks shouldn't be building around KP if they don't know if he is going to stay.
One of the worst kept secrets in the NBA is that Adrian Wojnarowski and Andy Miller, agent for ASM Sports and Zinger, are tied at the hip. Miller funnels insider information to Wojo, and Wojo operates as a mouthpiece for Miller when using the press as a weapon is needed for his clients.You can still be biased and have a point, you can still be biased and even be right, but Wojo and anything to do with Zinger is not something I'd consider to be objective in any way shape or form.
If anything, what Wojo is saying should confirm that Zinger is one foot out of the door. None of this Melo is his mentor Daddy and he's defending him with his lousy no show behavior, he sees the dysfunction and wants out.
Whenever Zinger's next sell high point is, the Knicks should trade him. Do I want the Knicks to trade him in an ideal world? No, but if the player plans to leave anyway, you don't want to be caught losing him for nothing.
Being one foot out the door couldn't be further from the truth. He confirmed this when his brother told the media if he's traded he would become a free agent. That's what you say when you are trying to prevent being traded. His brother is the one to believe. All he want is an environment he can develop and win in. He wants it in ny. He made that very clear.
I don't think he feels like he was in anything close to that type of environment last year. I think that is why Wojo talked about how Phil and Mills needed to get things right with him before he left for Latvia and how they need to work on fixing things with him now because they didn't.
My opinion? KP needs to get better and learn how to be a better teammate and pro. That's it. Management doesn't owe him anything. The Knicks don't have to do anything special for him. The Knicks need to improve the team and that's all. KP needs to focus on basketball that's is it.
I'm not going to sensationalize the Phil era... It's only been 3 years. We have 15 years of horrible management that is worse that what Phil is doing. He hasn't called and female staff member a black bitch and he hasn't capped the Knicks to hell with 5-6 role players. He didn't trade away any draft picks. He never said anything bad about Melo. It was implied by the media and blown out of proportion. He hasn't done anything else worth all this venom.
Right now we are rebuilding for the next 2 seasons so we can hopefully compete with the next wave of playoff teams. Nothing else tho see here
EnySpree wrote:I'm not impressed by their opinions....My opinion? KP needs to get better and learn how to be a better teammate and pro. That's it. Management doesn't owe him anything. The Knicks don't have to do anything special for him. The Knicks need to improve the team and that's all. KP needs to focus on basketball that's is it.
I'm not going to sensationalize the Phil era... It's only been 3 years. We have 15 years of horrible management that is worse that what Phil is doing. He hasn't called and female staff member a black bitch and he hasn't capped the Knicks to hell with 5-6 role players. He didn't trade away any draft picks. He never said anything bad about Melo. It was implied by the media and blown out of proportion. He hasn't done anything else worth all this venom.
Right now we are rebuilding for the next 2 seasons so we can hopefully compete with the next wave of playoff teams. Nothing else tho see here
EXACTLY!
Knixkik wrote:Being one foot out the door couldn't be further from the truth. He confirmed this when his brother told the media if he's traded he would become a free agent. That's what you say when you are trying to prevent being traded. His brother is the one to believe. All he want is an environment he can develop and win in. He wants it in ny. He made that very clear.
Never listen to what people say, watch what they do.
What has been done?
Zinger did not show up to his exit interview.
Zinger's agent uses his mouthpiece to say Zinger sees no hope in this franchise and not to bother building around him
Jackson and Melo could both be here for TWO MORE YEARS. Lee's contract is going to look real ugly real soon. Noah's contract is already ugly. Other than Zinger and Hernangomez, the Knicks don't really have any trade assets other than picks. Melo's huge deal and Noah's ugly deal and what's left of Lee's deal are going to choke out the cap from getting any real help in FA, and that's not even considering most FAs who could help are not coming to the Knicks. Anyone they draft this year or next, would need a few seasons to develop.
Zinger is saying through his agent's mouthpiece that he doesn't want to lose anymore. The Knicks can't fix that in two years.
Its not like I want the Knicks to trade Zinger if they had a choice, but they are grounding up on a situation where they don't have a choice.
People say all kinds of things in interviews. I am not quite sure folks here understand how the media hedges it's bets with interviews and questions.
When Michael Sam, the first openly gay player eligible to be drafted in the NFL, came out, plenty of news outlets and sites and magazines sent people to interview NFL GMs and front office personnel.
"Do you think Michael Sam is courageous for coming out?"
Do you see how this question splits two ways?
Yes, of course, I think he's courageous!
If you hesitate, then the headline says "NFL GM X doesn't think Michael Sam is brave enough for the NFL"
Either way, you get a headline. So if someone walks up to Zinger and says, Do you love NY? Do you want to be traded?
Two headlines - Zinger LOVES NY! He doesn't want to be traded!
He hesitates.... Zinger WANTS OUT!
Either way, newspapers sell and online articles get clicked.
What else is Zinger supposed to say in front of a camera? Which is why his agent's mouthpiece is doing it for him.
Zinger is GONE. He can go with something coming back in a trade. Or can go and the Knicks get nothing for him. There is nothing they can do to "fix this" Zinger already knows this, his agent knows this, Wojo knows this. Even Jackson knows this.
Kid wants out. He doesn't want to be Knicks. Then he can go f**k himself. Here's a plastic garbage bag, now go pack your trash, mother f**ker. The Knicks don't need a frontrunner mentality. The Knicks need guys who want to be here, who buy in, and play the right way. Zinger is a talented dude, but like Melo has shown, talent just isn't enough sometimes. I get why he doesn't want to be here, but the Knicks have to start making team oriented decisions moving forward. Bending the knee to Zinger's petulance is no better than spending all these years giving Melo want he wants while he decided to just not give a crap about this team or winning.
A lot of you dudes are married. Your wife decides your commitment, your hard work, your sacrifice, your love, your loyalty isn't good enough for her. She thinks she can do better? There's the mother f**king door. What's the alternative? Beg her to stay and have her hold her thumb on you the rest of your life?
Like Chris Webber, Zinger might learn the hard way that being a young but talented but petulant big man picked high in the draft, getting what you think you want might not end up being the long term good move for you. That being said, he wants to figure this out the hard way, so let him.
TripleThreat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Being one foot out the door couldn't be further from the truth. He confirmed this when his brother told the media if he's traded he would become a free agent. That's what you say when you are trying to prevent being traded. His brother is the one to believe. All he want is an environment he can develop and win in. He wants it in ny. He made that very clear.
-snip-Zinger's agent uses his mouthpiece to say Zinger sees no hope in this franchise and not to bother building around him
-snip- Lee's contract is going to look real ugly real soon. Noah's contract is already ugly.
Other than Zinger and Hernangomez, the Knicks don't really have any trade assets other than picks.
Melo's huge deal and Noah's ugly deal and what's left of Lee's deal are going to choke out the cap from getting any real help in FA, and that's not even considering most FAs who could help are not coming to the Knicks. Anyone they draft this year or next, would need a few seasons to develop.
Zinger is saying through his agent's mouthpiece that he doesn't want to lose anymore. The Knicks can't fix that in two years.
-snip-
Zinger is GONE. He can go with something coming back in a trade. Or can go and the Knicks get nothing for him. There is nothing they can do to "fix this" Zinger already knows this, his agent knows this, Wojo knows this. Even Jackson knows this.
-snip-
EnySpree has it right the first time. KP is not going anywhere by clicking his heels together and wishing it. First, he wants to stay by all credible accounts. second he is locked in with golden handcuffs.
Zinger's agent said NO SUCH THING (eg "Zinger sees no hope in this franchise and not to bother building around him"). Even assuming it is absolute fact - WFC? The Knicks are building a team that will last whether Zinger is a player or not and that has yet to be determined. Skipping an exit interview is not the mark of a leader so nobody, including his agent, need worry about "building around KP".
IMO, the guy who really shone last season was Hermangomez, not KP.
Lee's contract is very nice and very tradeable - you are just making stuff up here.
And your claim - "Other than Zinger and Hernangomez, the Knicks don't really have any trade assets other than picks." is bizarre. have you looked at the roster lately? Do so.
Your diatribe about FA is correct in some ways, for example, FA aren't going to move much at all not because of the Knicks but because of the money. You can't put that on the Knicks.
"Zinger doesn't want to lose!" I guess the league should just stop competing and hand everyone a trophy. Otherwise the way to win is to get with the program the coaches are insisting on and play harder and make your teammates better.
"Zinger is GONE!" Everyone but you knows this can't happen because he throws a mid-summer hissy fit. He needs a warm glass of milk and a cookie and everyone will get back to reality.
TripleThreat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Being one foot out the door couldn't be further from the truth. He confirmed this when his brother told the media if he's traded he would become a free agent. That's what you say when you are trying to prevent being traded. His brother is the one to believe. All he want is an environment he can develop and win in. He wants it in ny. He made that very clear.
Never listen to what people say, watch what they do.What has been done?
Zinger did not show up to his exit interview.
Zinger's agent uses his mouthpiece to say Zinger sees no hope in this franchise and not to bother building around him
Jackson and Melo could both be here for TWO MORE YEARS. Lee's contract is going to look real ugly real soon. Noah's contract is already ugly. Other than Zinger and Hernangomez, the Knicks don't really have any trade assets other than picks. Melo's huge deal and Noah's ugly deal and what's left of Lee's deal are going to choke out the cap from getting any real help in FA, and that's not even considering most FAs who could help are not coming to the Knicks. Anyone they draft this year or next, would need a few seasons to develop.
Zinger is saying through his agent's mouthpiece that he doesn't want to lose anymore. The Knicks can't fix that in two years.
Its not like I want the Knicks to trade Zinger if they had a choice, but they are grounding up on a situation where they don't have a choice.
People say all kinds of things in interviews. I am not quite sure folks here understand how the media hedges it's bets with interviews and questions.
When Michael Sam, the first openly gay player eligible to be drafted in the NFL, came out, plenty of news outlets and sites and magazines sent people to interview NFL GMs and front office personnel.
"Do you think Michael Sam is courageous for coming out?"
Do you see how this question splits two ways?
Yes, of course, I think he's courageous!
If you hesitate, then the headline says "NFL GM X doesn't think Michael Sam is brave enough for the NFL"
Either way, you get a headline. So if someone walks up to Zinger and says, Do you love NY? Do you want to be traded?
Two headlines - Zinger LOVES NY! He doesn't want to be traded!
He hesitates.... Zinger WANTS OUT!
Either way, newspapers sell and online articles get clicked.
What else is Zinger supposed to say in front of a camera? Which is why his agent's mouthpiece is doing it for him.
Zinger is GONE. He can go with something coming back in a trade. Or can go and the Knicks get nothing for him. There is nothing they can do to "fix this" Zinger already knows this, his agent knows this, Wojo knows this. Even Jackson knows this.
Kid wants out. He doesn't want to be Knicks. Then he can go f**k himself. Here's a plastic garbage bag, now go pack your trash, mother f**ker. The Knicks don't need a frontrunner mentality. The Knicks need guys who want to be here, who buy in, and play the right way. Zinger is a talented dude, but like Melo has shown, talent just isn't enough sometimes. I get why he doesn't want to be here, but the Knicks have to start making team oriented decisions moving forward. Bending the knee to Zinger's petulance is no better than spending all these years giving Melo want he wants while he decided to just not give a crap about this team or winning.
A lot of you dudes are married. Your wife decides your commitment, your hard work, your sacrifice, your love, your loyalty isn't good enough for her. She thinks she can do better? There's the mother f**king door. What's the alternative? Beg her to stay and have her hold her thumb on you the rest of your life?
Like Chris Webber, Zinger might learn the hard way that being a young but talented but petulant big man picked high in the draft, getting what you think you want might not end up being the long term good move for you. That being said, he wants to figure this out the hard way, so let him.
Anyway not sure who this "zinger " is you speak of. I went to the dentist and I have a zinger. I was talking about porzingis or KP. Maybe we are talking about someone different.
Porzingis has a contract that lasts another 3 years. Only way it ends early if he signs an extension. His brother/agent said he wants to stay in ny and, if traded, will become a free agent as soon as possible, which is an unnecessary comment which only would hurt his value. We are definitely not talking about the same thing here.
yellowboy90 wrote:I think more than anything KP doesn't think he is being developed probably and that points to coaching. He may like JH but he may not like the some of the secondary coaches he's working with. Then again JH could be included too I do know but Janis quote about growth and the environment is huge to me.“The only thing he wants is for the Knicks to create an environment where he can develop and grow as a player and win.”So why does he feel this way? What is the environment really like behind the curtain? Posters can blame the vets but I think it is way deeper than the vets.
I think overall KP doesn't feel like he can carry the load and all this noise about front office and related BS that has been coming out is his preemptive attempt to deflect the blame. Just like his "friend and leader" he is learning quickly you can get away with anything in tbe NY media once you are a "STAR". And is always everybody else's fault. That is what worries me about this and not what the front office is our isn't doing.
You get paid to play basketball, STFU and play basketball. Dont like the team or the "direction its going", wait for your contract to end and leave. All this whining at the media and low class scumbag behavior will only hurt his long term value. The media,the players union and the CBA have all collaborated to create this mess. Zero accountability and publicly blaming the company you work for are the hottest trends of the day. Basketball as we knew it became the first causalty of this "social media" culture.
meloshouldgo wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think more than anything KP doesn't think he is being developed probably and that points to coaching. He may like JH but he may not like the some of the secondary coaches he's working with. Then again JH could be included too I do know but Janis quote about growth and the environment is huge to me.“The only thing he wants is for the Knicks to create an environment where he can develop and grow as a player and win.”So why does he feel this way? What is the environment really like behind the curtain? Posters can blame the vets but I think it is way deeper than the vets.
I think overall KP doesn't feel like he can carry the load and all this noise about front office and related BS that has been coming out is his preemptive attempt to deflect the blame. Just like his "friend and leader" he is learning quickly you can get away with anything in tbe NY media once you are a "STAR". And is always everybody else's fault. That is what worries me about this and not what the front office is our isn't doing.
You get paid to play basketball, STFU and play basketball. Dont like the team or the "direction its going", wait for your contract to end and leave. All this whining at the media and low class scumbag behavior will only hurt his long term value. The media,the players union and the CBA have all collaborated to create this mess. Zero accountability and publicly blaming the company you work for are the hottest trends of the day. Basketball as we knew it became the first causalty of this "social media" culture.
Well there's something seriously wrong with the advice KP is either taking or not taking.
When we are told he has contacted previous or current Stars in the league for tips and advice its hard to believe Ducan, Gasol, Nowitski or any others said, "Act like a five year old spoiled brat, pout, and make loud public noises and you'll get your way. Show themw who's boss!"
As a fan you have to be very concerned about this summer's proceedings.
fwk00 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think more than anything KP doesn't think he is being developed probably and that points to coaching. He may like JH but he may not like the some of the secondary coaches he's working with. Then again JH could be included too I do know but Janis quote about growth and the environment is huge to me.“The only thing he wants is for the Knicks to create an environment where he can develop and grow as a player and win.”So why does he feel this way? What is the environment really like behind the curtain? Posters can blame the vets but I think it is way deeper than the vets.
I think overall KP doesn't feel like he can carry the load and all this noise about front office and related BS that has been coming out is his preemptive attempt to deflect the blame. Just like his "friend and leader" he is learning quickly you can get away with anything in tbe NY media once you are a "STAR". And is always everybody else's fault. That is what worries me about this and not what the front office is our isn't doing.
You get paid to play basketball, STFU and play basketball. Dont like the team or the "direction its going", wait for your contract to end and leave. All this whining at the media and low class scumbag behavior will only hurt his long term value. The media,the players union and the CBA have all collaborated to create this mess. Zero accountability and publicly blaming the company you work for are the hottest trends of the day. Basketball as we knew it became the first causalty of this "social media" culture.
Well there's something seriously wrong with the advice KP is either taking or not taking.
When we are told he has contacted previous or current Stars in the league for tips and advice its hard to believe Ducan, Gasol, Nowitski or any others said, "Act like a five year old spoiled brat, pout, and make loud public noises and you'll get your way. Show themw who's boss!"
As a fan you have to be very concerned about this summer's proceedings.
It's also important to put things into perspective and realize that nothing that has occurred isn't fixable. Fans tend to overreact, whereas i don't think Phil and co are too concerned. You essentially have another 3 years to make corrections, and that's a long time.
Knixkik wrote:fwk00 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think more than anything KP doesn't think he is being developed probably and that points to coaching. He may like JH but he may not like the some of the secondary coaches he's working with. Then again JH could be included too I do know but Janis quote about growth and the environment is huge to me.“The only thing he wants is for the Knicks to create an environment where he can develop and grow as a player and win.”So why does he feel this way? What is the environment really like behind the curtain? Posters can blame the vets but I think it is way deeper than the vets.
I think overall KP doesn't feel like he can carry the load and all this noise about front office and related BS that has been coming out is his preemptive attempt to deflect the blame. Just like his "friend and leader" he is learning quickly you can get away with anything in tbe NY media once you are a "STAR". And is always everybody else's fault. That is what worries me about this and not what the front office is our isn't doing.
You get paid to play basketball, STFU and play basketball. Dont like the team or the "direction its going", wait for your contract to end and leave. All this whining at the media and low class scumbag behavior will only hurt his long term value. The media,the players union and the CBA have all collaborated to create this mess. Zero accountability and publicly blaming the company you work for are the hottest trends of the day. Basketball as we knew it became the first causalty of this "social media" culture.
Well there's something seriously wrong with the advice KP is either taking or not taking.
When we are told he has contacted previous or current Stars in the league for tips and advice its hard to believe Ducan, Gasol, Nowitski or any others said, "Act like a five year old spoiled brat, pout, and make loud public noises and you'll get your way. Show themw who's boss!"
As a fan you have to be very concerned about this summer's proceedings.
It's also important to put things into perspective and realize that nothing that has occurred isn't fixable. Fans tend to overreact, whereas i don't think Phil and co are too concerned. You essentially have another 3 years to make corrections, and that's a long time.
True. And Porzingis is young and should be forgiven for youthful mistakes. But he does need to learn from them and not compound them as he's been doing.
The pattern we want to avoid is that of a Darko - bad attitude, lots of money, lots of liquor, entitlement attitude... it all spells trouble. Certain European DNA and Vodka are a recipe for disaster.