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NBA Trade Rumors: Pistons looking to move No. 12 draft pick for veteran
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NBA Trade Rumors: The Detroit Pistons is open to the possibility of moving their No. 12 overall draft pick for an established veteran

After taking a bit of a step back this season, missing the playoffs entirely, Stan Van Gundy and the Detroit Pistons are hoping to get back on track during the 2017-18 season.

One way they ensure on avoiding taking another step back next season is by doing everything necessary to improve their team now. And according to ESPN’s Marc Stein, they are open to the idea of moving their first-round draft pick – No. 12 overall – in next months’ NBA Draft.

Specifically, Stein notes that the Pistons want to acquire a “win-now veteran.”

[via ESPN]

NBA Draft scuttle: Hearing Detroit is open to discussing trades for its No. 12 overall pick in hopes of acquiring more of a win-now veteran.

And for where the Pistons want to be next season, moving the 12th overall pick in next month’s NBA Draft makes a lot of sense. Even though this is arguably one of the deeper drafts in recent years, the bigger and better – and, most important, NBA-ready – prospects will likely be off the board by the time the Pistons go on the clock at 12.

Detroit would rather use that asset on a player that can come in and play potentially big minutes from day one of the 2017-18 season, rather than to use it on something that isn’t a sure thing.

Question is, of course, what exactly would the No. 12 pick fetch them on the open market? Could it get them a better starting point guard? A legit stretch 4 to stick next to Andre Drummond?

It’s the big unknown with this whole scenario. Though, it’s definitely worth the try. Detroit might be a player or two away from being a top 5 or 6 team in the East. The trick is finding that piece. And it likely won’t come in the NBA Draft, not at No. 12.

newyorknewyork wrote:They can probably get more than Lee for #12 in this draft. I would dangle Lee & Kuz though. Its worth a shot.

sooo lee cuz and some guns for the 12th pick is the lesser van gundy is game why not lol
plus melo to the trailblazers for turner and the 15 and 20 pick
so 8 12 15 and 20 lol
oh man this dreaming in noiceeeeeeeeeeee

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

That's not bad actually. I would even let Wolves get Stanley Johnson. Hopefully that would sway them from drafting Isaac.

newyorknewyork wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

That's not bad actually. I would even let Wolves get Stanley Johnson. Hopefully that would sway them from drafting Isaac.

The best case scenario Would be the Knicks sending the wolves #12 for #7. Not as high a pick for them but it makes it more convenient for them to draft the PF they need. But it would be a stretch.

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee
2017 pick 12 (The wolves have been tied to Collins and Markennan who would both be there at 12)

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #7
Clippers 2021 pick

The above would be wet dream status for me as a Melo trade right now and it's not even that crazy of a deal

PHO Trades: Brandon Knight, Tyler Ulis and the 32nd pick
PHO Recieves: 44th pick, 58th pick, NYKs 2019 2nd round pick (via CLE), $15 million of cap space and $3 million cash (via NYK)

DET Trades: the 12th pick
DET Recieves: Courtney Lee, Mindaugas Kuzminskaus, Tyler Ulis and the 32nd pick

NYK Trades: Courtney Lee, Mindaugas Kuzminskaus, the 44th pick, the 58th pick, 2019 2nd round pick (via CLE) a $15 million trade exception (via our impending cap space) and $3 million cash
NYK Recieves: Brandon Knight and the 12th pick

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

BigRedDog wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

not many but theres a first time for everything. i actually like that one
nice thoughts

dacash wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

not many but theres a first time for everything. i actually like that one
nice thoughts

Detroit can get more for the 12th pick....if lance was not hurt last year and played like the year before...he alone can get you the 12th...3 and D

dacash wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

not many but theres a first time for everything. i actually like that one
nice thoughts

They don't need JJ when they have to max KCP

BigRedDog wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

WTF is wrong with your attitude dude. There are no limits for how many teams can be in a trade, and moving a piece like Melo with him limited NTC options is a lot more complicated than anyone wants to admit. for example Dwight to the Lakers was a 4 team trade

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--laker...
We've been attached to trade rumors with all 3 of these teams as well at the trade deadline and all 3 teams (plus us) are making trade rumblings now.....

ekstarks94 wrote:

dacash wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

wargames wrote:Got most of below from another forum but it makes sense. Grand scheme of things it's pretty clear a third maybe even a 4th team will be needed to get Melo to the Clippers. Why not work with Mediocre teams to shake up each other's roster and hope for an improvement.

There is actually potential for a decent 4 team trade between the Knicks, Pistons, Wolves, and the Clippers if this expanded into a multi piece Melo trade.

I went to the trade machine and those 4 teams all have enough movable pieces that I could see it happening. Here is an example of one scenario that isn't too far fetched

Knicks
Rick Rubio
Stanley Johnson
2017 pick #12
Clippers 2021 pick

Clippers
Anthony
Tyrus Jones

Wolves
Reggie Jackson
Courtney Lee

Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Knicks do it to go more pass first and younger (and to tank). Plus that is actually a more than decent haul for Melo, lee, and Lance Thomas at this point.

Clippers do it for Anthony and get a backup PG behind CP3 to replace losing Austin Rivers.

Wolves do it because Reggie Jackson has a Rose-lite type game (also Reggie potentially is the best PG in this trade if healthy) and Courtney Lee is a defensive SG who lets them play Lavine as a 6th man which is what they need to do if they want to win games.

Detroit gets 3 players who in theory can shoot the 3 at a decent clip to put around Drummond (SVG's system). With Redick being a guy who came up and won under SVG. Also SVG loved Lance's game a season ago and if healthy he could be that defender on the bench.

Hell this could of been the trade before the draft, the rumor was Phil didn't do it because he wanted a pick for this year from the Wolves. Maybe #12 gets it done. You could even potentially send #12 to the wolves and move up to pick #7 since this is all one large deal.

How many 4 team trades do you see made in the NBA? Stop with this video game crap

not many but theres a first time for everything. i actually like that one
nice thoughts

They don't need JJ when they have to max KCP

lance's plantar fasciitis that require rest which he got. There is a good chance he can come back next year.

Also they say they are going to keep KCP but their is no guarantee they really want to match a crazy poison pill contract for a player who really isn't worth it. Also SVG went to a finals series by having a 3 pt shooters around a dynamic big man (Redick was one of them). He has the big in Drummond. All the people I had going to Detroit would be the best among the best 3 pt shooters on that team had. Not saying they wouldn't keep both, but Redick would have value in Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pi...

Paris907 wrote:Phil and Gaines want Justin Jackson and would take him at 12 in all likelihood. This obviates Stanley Johnson as itnwould be redundant at the SF position. 12 & 7 would be Delish yet I'd trade up to 3 and secure Josh Jackson in a heartbeat.

The deal actually works without Johnson going out too, but I had him shipping out because SVG really doesn't like him as a player and lance would improve their team behind Harris.

The knicks need someone to replace Melo at SF. Even if they draft Jackson, Johnson is a piece that could develop maybe how Chowder did.

The important thing is the Knicks come out with picks 8 and 12 entering into the draft. KP and WHG are the front court of the future. They need the PG/SG/SF of the future now. After trading Melo and fielding a few draft picks with KP maybe put the Knicks in position to get the next #1 overall.

Pistons with Jackson/Melo/Drummond is intriguing. Melo and Drummond could fit in the half court.

Sinix wrote:Melo for 12 and to match up salaries Harris/Leuer

The important thing is the Knicks come out with picks 8 and 12 entering into the draft. KP and WHG are the front court of the future. They need the PG/SG/SF of the future now. After trading Melo and fielding a few draft picks with KP maybe put the Knicks in position to get the next #1 overall.

Pistons with Jackson/Melo/Drummond is intriguing. Melo and Drummond could fit in the half court.

8 pick frankie n 12th pick justin jackson clee for rubio
so kp , billy,jj,franki n and rubio .

wargames wrote:
Detroit
Austin Rivers
JJ Redick
Lance Thomas

Honestly, I just don't see how this trade helps the Pistons at all. Yes, they want and need some long range gunners, but this just doesn't operate IMHO as the best option out of all possible options if they were willing to move those assets in place to someone and somewhere.

Lance Thomas is a D League Wet Dream ( i.e. you can be a fringe 13th-15th man and get a long term contract for basically being an energy guy) His contract honestly just doesn't make a whole ton of sense considering the current NBA marketplace and I'm not quite sure he carries the trade value that some here believe he does.

Redick is old and will want a payday/last big contract deal and I just don't see a team giving it to him. This kind of trade means hes going to get it.

Austin Rivers makes enough where they would be forced to start him, and honestly Ish Smith is just better for cheaper.

The Pistons do want to move Reggie Jackson and his contract though. There might be some kind of trade involving Jackson as a contract dump, although he's worn out his welcome everywhere he's gone. Melo and him might stab each other to death in the locker room over who is going to get the ball more ( who are we kidding, for Melo to fight in the locker room would mean he actually cares, and sadly, Melo could give a rats ass about our beloved Knicks)