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newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
No one is adversarial--its something inherently embedded in some peoples brains. In the US anyone can have success. No one is bound by race creed or religion. In many MANY other countries--this is not so. Racism exists in every country--thats an unfortunate fact. I think in the uS however in modern times its mild. Do you honestly believe that more than 10% of the American white population is adversarial to other creeds and races? Id wager its much worse the other way around.
Like I said: duck, dodge, dismiss.
It doesnt matter and Im not spending one more minute on it. In the US you are free to become President of the United States no matter what creed race religion you are as long as you were born here. You can hold any job go to any school marry within different creeds races etc--live anywhere you want. Its ILLEGAL to discriminate based on those same parameters. What exactly is Colin K protesting? To me hes a disrespectful person--thats all. Slavery doesnt exist in the US anymore. The US has come a long positive way
He was silently protesting the murder of unarmed African Americans by the police in order to bring awareness to issue.
I am 20 years in US and citizen for 15 years.
To be honest the Anthem means nothing to me from historical perspective.
It is not my history. It has nothing to do with me.
And the conflicts between "blacks" and "whites" means not much for me also.
Sorry, but this is same for tens and already hundreds of millions of new immigrants from Russia, India, China, Latin America, West Europe, East Europe, etc.
I do respect the Anthem whatever it history is because I am a citizen of this country and the rest is irrelevant and remote to me.
I see the remnants of racism and knew about history if it is this country.
And I hope this issues will be resolved as time goes by naturally as US became more and more diverse, multiracial, and % of so called "blacks" and "whites" are getting less and less. This groups are not the future of this country. They are bound to slowly disperse like everything in the melting pot of history.
As per Tiger, he is really lost, and he needs help.
I do not think of him as a black or white. He is just man in crisis.
American culture is hard on losers. America wants superheros, great stories, happy endings.
Tiger be-trade this America... And this mentality is sad.
I hope this culture of ignorance to other people pain will go away with all this "white" and "black" people.
One can always hope.
StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
NardDogNation wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
He pretend to be White, but in fact, he is Spider from Mars... 
NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The impact being felt today doesn't require individual acts of racial hatred to manifest itself. It happens because it has been set up over 100s of years into a system that perpetuated racism. It's subtle because the victims can't point at any person for being racist is often couched in politically correct horseshit. In most cases the Sturm is rigged by design and defended by politicians. When multiple people look the other way someone somewhere is still being victimized by racism.
But looking at the data is hard to argue that racism is still very much a problem. I work for a fortune 500 mfg. company in tbe rust belt. Like most companies it has policies against discrimination bared on race and gender, the people on average are friendly and helpful. I have formed many good friendships over the years for which I am grateful. The demographics of this place is at least 35-40% non white. Yet when I look at the leadership of our company it 90% white (Director and above). This didn't happen by accident. There is a carefully preserved system in place that allows this to happen. People of color don't get promoted, they are given vague reasons like you don't have the required soft skills or leadership qualities. Then only white people get selected to participate in their "leadership development programs". Are the people making the choices racist? Hard to say. But clearly there is no accountability if they chose to be racist because the system is rigged. Even well intentioned and we'll meaning white people are either unaware of this or they look the other way because they are too scared to open their mouth in a company where doing so may adversely impact their position in the food chain. The whole things happens in the background, you can never point to any one person or act as being racist, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
newyorknewyork wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
No one is adversarial--its something inherently embedded in some peoples brains. In the US anyone can have success. No one is bound by race creed or religion. In many MANY other countries--this is not so. Racism exists in every country--thats an unfortunate fact. I think in the uS however in modern times its mild. Do you honestly believe that more than 10% of the American white population is adversarial to other creeds and races? Id wager its much worse the other way around.
Like I said: duck, dodge, dismiss.
It doesnt matter and Im not spending one more minute on it. In the US you are free to become President of the United States no matter what creed race religion you are as long as you were born here. You can hold any job go to any school marry within different creeds races etc--live anywhere you want. Its ILLEGAL to discriminate based on those same parameters. What exactly is Colin K protesting? To me hes a disrespectful person--thats all. Slavery doesnt exist in the US anymore. The US has come a long positive way
Whatever you say, bro.
Briggs once stated that he had no idea was redlining is but racism doesn't exist anymore. He hasn't put any effort to educate himself on African American history in America. His opinions don't hold much weight until he is able to do so. Until then he will only state what convenient for him.
It's why I began to withdraw myself from the conversation because I knew what game was being played here.
I've always found it amusing that certain Caucasians will try to make the case that racism is dead when an overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and a similarly large portion of Hispanic Americans (aka a third of the fucking population) would vehemently disagree. Racism (institutional or otherwise) is dead, yet they're effectively telling us that Black and Brown people en masse don't know what the fuck we're talking about. That the lives we live and how we have come to understand them are all incorrect and that they, as a white people, will inform us of what is in fact going on in our own lives. And no matter how much evidence that we submit to back our claims about the injustices faced, it can all be negated because they feel they know better or know a Black guy that may be a "best friend". But racism is dead, man.
meloshouldgo wrote:I think the problem with racism is America is that it has evolved into something both subtle and systemic. Everytime someone beings up racism you get threads like this. I actually agree with Briggs that most wow people are not racist. I also agree with papabear that racism is structural.Thats fair. Look i understand that unfortunetly some people are racist BUT that doesnt mean its the 1960s again. Those days are long gone and nowadays people from many races are very successful...its just a factThe impact being felt today doesn't require individual acts of racial hatred to manifest itself. It happens because it has been set up over 100s of years into a system that perpetuated racism. It's subtle because the victims can't point at any person for being racist is often couched in politically correct horseshit. In most cases the Sturm is rigged by design and defended by politicians. When multiple people look the other way someone somewhere is still being victimized by racism.
But looking at the data is hard to argue that racism is still very much a problem. I work for a fortune 500 mfg. company in tbe rust belt. Like most companies it has policies against discrimination bared on race and gender, the people on average are friendly and helpful. I have formed many good friendships over the years for which I am grateful. The demographics of this place is at least 35-40% non white. Yet when I look at the leadership of our company it 90% white (Director and above). This didn't happen by accident. There is a carefully preserved system in place that allows this to happen. People of color don't get promoted, they are given vague reasons like you don't have the required soft skills or leadership qualities. Then only white people get selected to participate in their "leadership development programs". Are the people making the choices racist? Hard to say. But clearly there is no accountability if they chose to be racist because the system is rigged. Even well intentioned and we'll meaning white people are either unaware of this or they look the other way because they are too scared to open their mouth in a company where doing so may adversely impact their position in the food chain. The whole things happens in the background, you can never point to any one person or act as being racist, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
StarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
Someone that is impartial and genuinely concerned with race issues or fixing them. The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism is ironic to say the least. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
StarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror that is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
NardDogNation wrote:well i do have a job and family so they take up most of my timeStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror and is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
StarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:well i do have a job and family so they take up most of my timeStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror and is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
Somebody hand this guy a medal. He managed to get a job and knock somebody up. What a tremendous accomplishment.
NardDogNation wrote:yeah real nice thing to say. Obviously you know im white so thats why you are being "nice" to me i guessStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:well i do have a job and family so they take up most of my timeStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror and is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
Somebody hand this guy a medal. He managed to get a job and knock somebody up. What a tremendous accomplishment.
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
No one is adversarial--its something inherently embedded in some peoples brains. In the US anyone can have success. No one is bound by race creed or religion. In many MANY other countries--this is not so. Racism exists in every country--thats an unfortunate fact. I think in the uS however in modern times its mild. Do you honestly believe that more than 10% of the American white population is adversarial to other creeds and races? Id wager its much worse the other way around.
Like I said: duck, dodge, dismiss.
It doesnt matter and Im not spending one more minute on it. In the US you are free to become President of the United States no matter what creed race religion you are as long as you were born here. You can hold any job go to any school marry within different creeds races etc--live anywhere you want. Its ILLEGAL to discriminate based on those same parameters. What exactly is Colin K protesting? To me hes a disrespectful person--thats all. Slavery doesnt exist in the US anymore. The US has come a long positive way
He was silently protesting the murder of unarmed African Americans by the police in order to bring awareness to issue.
If you protest in a way that irritates and offends millions of people--you're losing any message youre trying to send. He simply picked the wrong platform and atleast 75%++++ of this country will agree with me--and in a democracy--thats an overwhelming number. You can say whatever--but you are simply offending a huge majority--not smart.
meloshouldgo wrote:I think the problem with racism is America is that it has evolved into something both subtle and systemic. Everytime someone beings up racism you get threads like this. I actually agree with Briggs that most wow people are not racist. I also agree with papabear that racism is structural.The impact being felt today doesn't require individual acts of racial hatred to manifest itself. It happens because it has been set up over 100s of years into a system that perpetuated racism. It's subtle because the victims can't point at any person for being racist is often couched in politically correct horseshit. In most cases the Sturm is rigged by design and defended by politicians. When multiple people look the other way someone somewhere is still being victimized by racism.
But looking at the data is hard to argue that racism is still very much a problem. I work for a fortune 500 mfg. company in tbe rust belt. Like most companies it has policies against discrimination bared on race and gender, the people on average are friendly and helpful. I have formed many good friendships over the years for which I am grateful. The demographics of this place is at least 35-40% non white. Yet when I look at the leadership of our company it 90% white (Director and above). This didn't happen by accident. There is a carefully preserved system in place that allows this to happen. People of color don't get promoted, they are given vague reasons like you don't have the required soft skills or leadership qualities. Then only white people get selected to participate in their "leadership development programs". Are the people making the choices racist? Hard to say. But clearly there is no accountability if they chose to be racist because the system is rigged. Even well intentioned and we'll meaning white people are either unaware of this or they look the other way because they are too scared to open their mouth in a company where doing so may adversely impact their position in the food chain. The whole things happens in the background, you can never point to any one person or act as being racist, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
I think pop culture and it's image and message has something to do with it to an extent. As well as cities like Chicago and Newark. I think things will get better for blacks one day. We are only less than half a century removed from segregation.
StarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:yeah real nice thing to say. Obviously you know im white so thats why you are being "nice" to me i guessStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:well i do have a job and family so they take up most of my timeStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror and is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
Somebody hand this guy a medal. He managed to get a job and knock somebody up. What a tremendous accomplishment.
You are wasting your time man.
He is one of those who believes that only he can judge him because no one else knows who he is.
In some way he is correct. He and dudes like him know better.
Hopefully he will find happiness that way.
StarksEwing1 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think the problem with racism is America is that it has evolved into something both subtle and systemic. Everytime someone beings up racism you get threads like this. I actually agree with Briggs that most wow people are not racist. I also agree with papabear that racism is structural.Thats fair. Look i understand that unfortunetly some people are racist BUT that doesnt mean its the 1960s again. Those days are long gone and nowadays people from many races are very successful...its just a factThe impact being felt today doesn't require individual acts of racial hatred to manifest itself. It happens because it has been set up over 100s of years into a system that perpetuated racism. It's subtle because the victims can't point at any person for being racist is often couched in politically correct horseshit. In most cases the Sturm is rigged by design and defended by politicians. When multiple people look the other way someone somewhere is still being victimized by racism.
But looking at the data is hard to argue that racism is still very much a problem. I work for a fortune 500 mfg. company in tbe rust belt. Like most companies it has policies against discrimination bared on race and gender, the people on average are friendly and helpful. I have formed many good friendships over the years for which I am grateful. The demographics of this place is at least 35-40% non white. Yet when I look at the leadership of our company it 90% white (Director and above). This didn't happen by accident. There is a carefully preserved system in place that allows this to happen. People of color don't get promoted, they are given vague reasons like you don't have the required soft skills or leadership qualities. Then only white people get selected to participate in their "leadership development programs". Are the people making the choices racist? Hard to say. But clearly there is no accountability if they chose to be racist because the system is rigged. Even well intentioned and we'll meaning white people are either unaware of this or they look the other way because they are too scared to open their mouth in a company where doing so may adversely impact their position in the food chain. The whole things happens in the background, you can never point to any one person or act as being racist, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
You have to understand the past in order to understand the present and the future. Nobody said it was the 60s again. There have been many generations of ppl dating from as early as the 90s who have been prevented from success due to unfair sentencing laws. Due to drugs that were introduced and flooded into communities by non AAs from the 70s. Due to Ghettos that were created by redlining which was installed by non AAs from the 30s-60s. Because many people of different races have been very successful doesn't eliminate these issues. These generations of the 90s would be the 30-40 yr olds of today. Just like generations of people from the past prior to that if treated with equality who knows what their future and their kids futures and their kids futures would be today. Ghettos are still prevalent today so the decision to redline from the 30s-60s still having its lasting effects and who knows how many futures it has destroyed. Drugs are still prevalent today so the decisions to import drugs into these communities are still prevalent today and who knows how many futures it has destroyed. Mass incarceration and the lasting effects of throwing people in jail on the war on drugs that non black supplied breaking up families is still in effect. Down playing these issues because people have been very successful in America isn't fixing these issues and can't undo the damage that has been done to many generations of people.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
No one is adversarial--its something inherently embedded in some peoples brains. In the US anyone can have success. No one is bound by race creed or religion. In many MANY other countries--this is not so. Racism exists in every country--thats an unfortunate fact. I think in the uS however in modern times its mild. Do you honestly believe that more than 10% of the American white population is adversarial to other creeds and races? Id wager its much worse the other way around.
Like I said: duck, dodge, dismiss.
It doesnt matter and Im not spending one more minute on it. In the US you are free to become President of the United States no matter what creed race religion you are as long as you were born here. You can hold any job go to any school marry within different creeds races etc--live anywhere you want. Its ILLEGAL to discriminate based on those same parameters. What exactly is Colin K protesting? To me hes a disrespectful person--thats all. Slavery doesnt exist in the US anymore. The US has come a long positive way
He was silently protesting the murder of unarmed African Americans by the police in order to bring awareness to issue.
If you protest in a way that irritates and offends millions of people--you're losing any message youre trying to send. He simply picked the wrong platform and atleast 75%++++ of this country will agree with me--and in a democracy--thats an overwhelming number. You can say whatever--but you are simply offending a huge majority--not smart.
The message he was sending isn't one that people want to receive. Crying over it being the national anthem was the perfect cop out. There are many who saw him exercise the freedom and rights that blood was shed for. But at the end of the day if he is going to be black balled and demonized for it then there isn't that much difference then dictatorship. Well other then getting murdered.
Message that was sent was you are not allowed to speak out against a majority white narrative.
arkrud wrote:yeah i guess soStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:yeah real nice thing to say. Obviously you know im white so thats why you are being "nice" to me i guessStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:well i do have a job and family so they take up most of my timeStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:first off i dont feel entitled to anything. You do seem to have a lot of anger which isnt good dude. Im not trying to convince you or put ideas in your head but at the same time i dont feel its right to blame whites for everythingStarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:pretend to be something im not? Such as what?StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:agreed. Obviously he dislikes whites but his views on every african american being held down seem far fetched and sillyNardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Do people realize what the Nation Anthem even is? Its about a man who saw our flag stand through battle where Americans were able to protect this homeland. Exactly what would someone get out of protesting that song? If it wasnt for those people--you or I would not be here.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.I suppose this is the part where you dismiss this unsung portion of the Star Spangled Banner as not being an issue and not a demonstration of how adverserial race relations have always been in this country.
Nard dog--if you are African American--can you tell me of ONE documented case of a white person holding you back from success? Did a white person make you get on the back of a bus or not serve you food? Did a white person say you cant go to this college because your black? Or you cant have this job because your black?
In Junior High School, I was effectively tied with a student for the second best grades in our graduating class. The seperation between us was a fraction of a point, which was to her advantage. She won salutatorian; I got dick.
Interestingly enough, the year before two students with the same grades won the distinction; both were of Ukranian/Eastern European decent. The seperation between their averages was 1.3. I know because I was a part of the color guard for their graduation, which were reserved for honor students.
I've got more damaging examples but this was the quickest to outline.
So you were held back in life because you lost first place in your class by % points? Man what the F are you talking about Nardog-Jees cry me a river. Dont compare your self to those who were truly oppressed. Like Isaid--I dont think Colin K knows what the F hes protesting and neither do you.
I don't dislike Whites. I dislike Whites like you that pretend to be something you're not.
The fact that you feel you are entitled to "inform" the overwhelming majority of 48 million Black Americans and similar significant portion of Hispanic Americans about their life....and not see how that thinking in itself is proof of racism. The fuck would you know about what I or anyone like me deals with? Because you have know a Black guy that you think is your friend?
Right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just angry as a Black man. An "angry Black man", I guess. And you are just an impartial juror and is someone genuinely concerned with race issues and how to fix them.
Somebody hand this guy a medal. He managed to get a job and knock somebody up. What a tremendous accomplishment.
You are wasting your time man.
He is one of those who believes that only he can judge him because no one else knows who he is.
In some way he is correct. He and dudes like him know better.
Hopefully he will find happiness that way.
newyorknewyork wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think the problem with racism is America is that it has evolved into something both subtle and systemic. Everytime someone beings up racism you get threads like this. I actually agree with Briggs that most wow people are not racist. I also agree with papabear that racism is structural.Thats fair. Look i understand that unfortunetly some people are racist BUT that doesnt mean its the 1960s again. Those days are long gone and nowadays people from many races are very successful...its just a factThe impact being felt today doesn't require individual acts of racial hatred to manifest itself. It happens because it has been set up over 100s of years into a system that perpetuated racism. It's subtle because the victims can't point at any person for being racist is often couched in politically correct horseshit. In most cases the Sturm is rigged by design and defended by politicians. When multiple people look the other way someone somewhere is still being victimized by racism.
But looking at the data is hard to argue that racism is still very much a problem. I work for a fortune 500 mfg. company in tbe rust belt. Like most companies it has policies against discrimination bared on race and gender, the people on average are friendly and helpful. I have formed many good friendships over the years for which I am grateful. The demographics of this place is at least 35-40% non white. Yet when I look at the leadership of our company it 90% white (Director and above). This didn't happen by accident. There is a carefully preserved system in place that allows this to happen. People of color don't get promoted, they are given vague reasons like you don't have the required soft skills or leadership qualities. Then only white people get selected to participate in their "leadership development programs". Are the people making the choices racist? Hard to say. But clearly there is no accountability if they chose to be racist because the system is rigged. Even well intentioned and we'll meaning white people are either unaware of this or they look the other way because they are too scared to open their mouth in a company where doing so may adversely impact their position in the food chain. The whole things happens in the background, you can never point to any one person or act as being racist, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
You have to understand the past in order to understand the present and the future. Nobody said it was the 60s again. There have been many generations of ppl dating from as early as the 90s who have been prevented from success due to unfair sentencing laws. Due to drugs that were introduced and flooded into communities by non AAs from the 70s. Due to Ghettos that were created by redlining which was installed by non AAs from the 30s-60s. Because many people of different races have been very successful doesn't eliminate these issues. These generations of the 90s would be the 30-40 yr olds of today. Just like generations of people from the past prior to that if treated with equality who knows what their future and their kids futures and their kids futures would be today. Ghettos are still prevalent today so the decision to redline from the 30s-60s still having its lasting effects and who knows how many futures it has destroyed. Drugs are still prevalent today so the decisions to import drugs into these communities are still prevalent today and who knows how many futures it has destroyed. Mass incarceration and the lasting effects of throwing people in jail on the war on drugs that non black supplied breaking up families is still in effect. Down playing these issues because people have been very successful in America isn't fixing these issues and can't undo the damage that has been done to many generations of people.
Agree. What we are arguing is that racism has changed in form and how it is being applied. While the rank file of white American office worker is not racist or discriminatory towards non whites the non whites are still barred from an equal share of success by the overall system that is heavily favoring whites. The lack of diversity at the top of these companies still shows how much of a barrier still exists. But tbe fact that most people are no longer racist at an individual level is definitely a good thing and indicative of progress. Thats the larger overall tend driven by education.
And then there are still some fringe elements that are throwbacks to the Jim Crow era and are racist. And they have gained a voice during the last year or so. You can't deny that white supremacist movements and parades are on the rise. This is the more disturbing smaller trend driven by people who shun education because colleges are "liberal and full of left wing ideology and science is propaganda created by the left".