dribble penetration. We have a lot of size and shooting. If you look at this two things stand out. 1) Willy had a nice game. 2) Create space with penetration in the lane and guys like KP and Willy will be around for a lot of easy buckets.
Next year whether its pure triangle or some P&R with Smith Jr you have the model for the start of a team. Then you watch. You see how good Smith Jr is at getting into the lane and finding his bigs for easy buckets. Your "foundation" guys are now Smith, KP and Willy. You surround them with some good blue collar players like Baker, Lee, Lance and Noah. We will see if guys like Plumlee or OQuin are still in the mix but they would fit that mold as well.
Defense should improve as you replace Melo with Lance, and you figure Jennings/Rose minutes go to Smith and Baker so that should certainly help as well.
Penetrating PG, a pair of skilled bigs and a handful of shooters who defend and the Knicks could start looking like a team next year. On paper there is some promise to a group like that.
franco12@ 6/11/2017 10:13 AM
I am 100% down with that plan. I like him, and think he is the best talent for us given who might be available at 8.
If we can add another first round pick and move Melo, I'd be happy to win 20-30 games, and lean on our youth and let them learn from their mistakes.
Add a top five pick next year, and if things develop, then you can talk about filling in with FA for a shot at the playoffs.
I'm totally for it but I think Phil wants to run the Triangle this year and run a system all out. He's been here 3 years, so much heat. He's going to step up his mentorship and be more active, which means teaching/coaching practice. Triangle is going to be a big part of the plan.
In which case I think Phil is looking for a player that is able to play off the ball more. A guard that can bring the ball up, drive, dish, shoot. Also be comfortable moving off the ball, just bring the ball up and making a pass to set up the Triangle.
I think Monk is viewed as much higher than DSJ from Phil, as is Ntilikina.
My guess is Phil would prefer Isaac (If he drops), Nti or Monk all over DSJ.
a few points. The joy of short term memory loss is every idea feels so new and fresh. Also the guy who started that first thread was phucking brilliant
a few points. The joy of short term memory loss is every idea feels so new and fresh. Also the guy who started that first thread was phucking brilliant
a few points. The joy of short term memory loss is every idea feels so new and fresh. Also the guy who started that first thread was phucking brilliant
Just glad you didn't start a new poster thread
the day is young
TripleThreat@ 6/11/2017 9:28 PM
franco12 wrote:I am 100% down with that plan. I like him, and think he is the best talent for us given who might be available at 8.
DSJ has/had the raw talent to be the first overall pick in this draft.
The injury questions was something he could not control
He could have gone a program more conducive to open up his future NBA options, that was in his control.
He could play with more discipline and not be such a knucklehead, that's in his control.
Biggest red flag is even the moderate agents avoided this guy. I'm not saying he's on the level of Johnny Manziel, but the Manziel experience really colored alot of agents out there regarding what is the limit they will endure for the hope that a guy breaks out. Think about it, lots of mid tier agents have assessed DSJ as not worth the investment and time. And these are basically sub human power brokers who are used to divas and selfish douchebags in the players corps. What does that say?
Personally, I think it's better for the Knicks, better for DSJ and better for the league if he ends up on the Mavericks. They have the structure to possibly help this kid and help him reach his potential. There just is not the structure and stability in place to try to fix a project like DSJ. He has A TON OF TALENT. He could have the potential to be a true franchise player. But there are just more issues than that when it comes to drafting him.
You could have put Steph Curry on any team, and he would succeed. Don Nelson even said that. And Nelson hated rookie players his whole career. You need a certain kind of character and mindset to thrive no matter what.
DSJ just doesn't have that. Sometimes you just can't fix stupid. And for all the talent in the world, that's how a lot of NBA people see DSJ, as a guy who has to fight himself to be where he needs to be to succeed. Basically stupid.
I wish this kid all the luck and good fortune in the world.... just on another team.
yellowboy90@ 6/12/2017 12:23 PM
Smith Jr. impressed the Lakers with his workout after leading the Wolfpack with 18.1 points on 45.5 percent shooting and 6.2 assists during his freshman season. He had a 48-inch vertical. He also believed he could have helped the Lakers in one specific category.
I am not a big test guy but dang. I don't even care if it's off a few inches that's crazy.
Knixkik@ 6/12/2017 12:40 PM
I have really warmed up to him. His potential is thru the roof and he's an ideal fit for the modern NBA.
fishmike@ 6/12/2017 12:45 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Smith Jr. impressed the Lakers with his workout after leading the Wolfpack with 18.1 points on 45.5 percent shooting and 6.2 assists during his freshman season. He had a 48-inch vertical. He also believed he could have helped the Lakers in one specific category.
I am not a big test guy but dang. I don't even care if it's off a few inches that's crazy.
yea that puts him higher than any player ever measured. Vince Carter was 43 inches... but his athleticism will show in workouts and video break downs. Smith has insane hops. No doubt about it.
yellowboy90@ 6/12/2017 12:47 PM
Knixkik wrote:I have really warmed up to him. His potential is thru the roof and he's an ideal fit for the modern NBA.
I believe he was the top ranked PG recruit before his injury so this is nothing new for scouts.
yellowboy90@ 6/12/2017 12:56 PM
fishmike wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Smith Jr. impressed the Lakers with his workout after leading the Wolfpack with 18.1 points on 45.5 percent shooting and 6.2 assists during his freshman season. He had a 48-inch vertical. He also believed he could have helped the Lakers in one specific category.
I am not a big test guy but dang. I don't even care if it's off a few inches that's crazy.
yea that puts him higher than any player ever measured. Vince Carter was 43 inches... but his athleticism will show in workouts and video break downs. Smith has insane hops. No doubt about it.
What I do like about it is that while 48" or 42" inches would be insane it's still something you would not be that surprised at Smith Jr doing. When you do to the tape and see him dunk off of a drop step in a crowd down low you see how much power he has in his legs.
BigRedDog@ 6/12/2017 1:42 PM
From multiple scouts--- Dennis Smith, 6’2” freshman point guard, N.C. State
“Really gifted at getting his shot off. Needs to improve his consistency on the jump shot. I want to see how committed he can be at the defensive end. He has all the physical tools to succeed, but can he trust his teammates? He can fall asleep on defense. He’s a Derrick Rose-type athlete. He needs to go to the right team. He’s a guy that gets you fired. He quit on his team in some of the games I was at. I’m not a fan of his body language. I’d be scared if he was staring me in the face and I felt I had to take him.”
fishmike@ 6/12/2017 3:15 PM
BigRedDog wrote:From multiple scouts--- Dennis Smith, 6’2” freshman point guard, N.C. State
“Really gifted at getting his shot off. Needs to improve his consistency on the jump shot. I want to see how committed he can be at the defensive end. He has all the physical tools to succeed, but can he trust his teammates? He can fall asleep on defense. He’s a Derrick Rose-type athlete. He needs to go to the right team. He’s a guy that gets you fired. He quit on his team in some of the games I was at. I’m not a fan of his body language. I’d be scared if he was staring me in the face and I felt I had to take him.”
Having heard much of the same I did some reading on a couple NC State forums... lets see what fans who follow that team we follow this team have to say. Honestly it was mixed. I would say 60% blamed these reports on the toxic coaching situation. However of the folks that blamed Smith for poor attitude about half of them also admitted it was a tough environment to succeed in. Its tough. Smith may be the best of them all. He might be Beasley.
I do have confidence the Knicks take the right guy.
newyorknewyork@ 6/12/2017 3:48 PM
fishmike wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:From multiple scouts--- Dennis Smith, 6’2” freshman point guard, N.C. State
“Really gifted at getting his shot off. Needs to improve his consistency on the jump shot. I want to see how committed he can be at the defensive end. He has all the physical tools to succeed, but can he trust his teammates? He can fall asleep on defense. He’s a Derrick Rose-type athlete. He needs to go to the right team. He’s a guy that gets you fired. He quit on his team in some of the games I was at. I’m not a fan of his body language. I’d be scared if he was staring me in the face and I felt I had to take him.”
Having heard much of the same I did some reading on a couple NC State forums... lets see what fans who follow that team we follow this team have to say. Honestly it was mixed. I would say 60% blamed these reports on the toxic coaching situation. However of the folks that blamed Smith for poor attitude about half of them also admitted it was a tough environment to succeed in. Its tough. Smith may be the best of them all. He might be Beasley.
I do have confidence the Knicks take the right guy.
That had to be what the dinner was about. Phil probably was like we know the guy has talent and cnn play. They probably studied a lot of his film and didnt feel it was a question of his skill set. But a question of where his head is at. If Smith falls and we draft him its because the interview told Phil what he needed to know.
At the same time he was wrong about Rose who gave plenty of ear music. And he wasn't able to mold Melo. And he is having minor problems at the moment with KP.
CrushAlot@ 6/12/2017 4:01 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Smith Jr. impressed the Lakers with his workout after leading the Wolfpack with 18.1 points on 45.5 percent shooting and 6.2 assists during his freshman season. He had a 48-inch vertical. He also believed he could have helped the Lakers in one specific category.
I am not a big test guy but dang. I don't even care if it's off a few inches that's crazy.
That is unbelievable. Five inches higher than this guy.
nixluva@ 6/12/2017 5:38 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:From multiple scouts--- Dennis Smith, 6’2” freshman point guard, N.C. State
“Really gifted at getting his shot off. Needs to improve his consistency on the jump shot. I want to see how committed he can be at the defensive end. He has all the physical tools to succeed, but can he trust his teammates? He can fall asleep on defense. He’s a Derrick Rose-type athlete. He needs to go to the right team. He’s a guy that gets you fired. He quit on his team in some of the games I was at. I’m not a fan of his body language. I’d be scared if he was staring me in the face and I felt I had to take him.”
Having heard much of the same I did some reading on a couple NC State forums... lets see what fans who follow that team we follow this team have to say. Honestly it was mixed. I would say 60% blamed these reports on the toxic coaching situation. However of the folks that blamed Smith for poor attitude about half of them also admitted it was a tough environment to succeed in. Its tough. Smith may be the best of them all. He might be Beasley.
I do have confidence the Knicks take the right guy.
That had to be what the dinner was about. Phil probably was like we know the guy has talent and cnn play. They probably studied a lot of his film and didnt feel it was a question of his skill set. But a question of where his head is at. If Smith falls and we draft him its because the interview told Phil what he needed to know.
At the same time he was wrong about Rose who gave plenty of ear music. And he wasn't able to mold Melo. And he is having minor problems at the moment with KP.
IMO Phil will be open to Monk, DSJ, DMitch or Nitty. They all have talent and the Knicks simply need LEGIT TALENT in bunches. I view all of these guards similarly but each just a little different from each other but basically athletic, quick guards that can shoot like SG's. Knicks can't lose with any of these kids IMO.
NardDogNation@ 6/12/2017 10:32 PM
People keep talking about NC State having "coaching" or "environment" problems but I've never heard of specific examples or issues. Why was the program considered so toxic?
NardDogNation@ 6/12/2017 10:33 PM
What is the fundamental difference between Dennis Smith Jr and Jonny Flynn in 2009?
