Knicks · Melo to Cle works (page 1)

He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

Not bad. Pretty fair for all sides.

fishmike wrote:He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

Well, the thing that's wrong with the trade is that Portland is trying to lower their financial commitments, not increase them.

A slight adjustment makes it far more likely;

NY gets: Turner, Harkless, one of the mid-level picks (for taking on more salary dead-weight in Turner)

CLE gets Melo

Portland gets Love

ddd

fishmike wrote:He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

Unlikely Cleveland gets caught up in such a complicated scenario just for the 20th pick.

Lebron, Melo to Clippers - joining Paul and the LOGO!

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fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

Well, the thing that's wrong with the trade is that Portland is trying to lower their financial commitments, not increase them.

A slight adjustment makes it far more likely;

NY gets: Turner, Harkless, one of the mid-level picks (for taking on more salary dead-weight in Turner)

CLE gets Melo

Portland gets Love

I think Portland wants to unload unproductive players with bad contracts. I think they would would interested in unloading Turner and picking up Love essentially for three mid/low first round picks. Love returns to the west coast which makes sense from that perspective. I think this is the rare fan created trade scenario that makes a lot of sense for all concerned IF Cleveland thinks they have a better chance of winning with Melo versus Love. But in reality, it's really about what Lebron wants.

I'd like the Knicks to focus on some athleticism and defense skills with a Melo trade.
You will get role players, but get role players that can defend.

I think we're drafting Ntilikina if he's on the board at 8.
We won't be scoring 110 a night (or more). We have to rely on defense, energy.
Individual skill and talent much lower with Rose/Melo gone.

The Portland player I like is Aminu. If we trade them Love via CLE, I'd want Aminu.

I'd ammend the deal as follows.

CLE Love
NYK Melo
POR 15, 20, Aminu, Turner

CLE Melo, 20
NYK Aminu, Turner, 15
POR Love

We draft Nti at 8, Justin Jackson at 15.

10 man regular rotation

Willy/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Thomas
Aminu/Jackson
Turner/Lee
Baker/Ntilikina

Age 25 and under (and 2 years or less experience) players developing in the regular rotation - Willy, KP, Jackson, Nti, Baker.

nyknickzingis wrote:I'd like the Knicks to focus on some athleticism and defense skills with a Melo trade.
You will get role players, but get role players that can defend.

I think we're drafting Ntilikina if he's on the board at 8.
We won't be scoring 110 a night (or more). We have to rely on defense, energy.
Individual skill and talent much lower with Rose/Melo gone.

The Portland player I like is Aminu. If we trade them Love via CLE, I'd want Aminu.

I'd ammend the deal as follows.

CLE Love
NYK Melo
POR 15, 20, Aminu, Turner

CLE Melo, 20
NYK Aminu, Turner, 15
POR Love

We draft Nti at 8, Justin Jackson at 15.

10 man regular rotation

Willy/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Thomas
Aminu/Jackson
Turner/Lee
Baker/Ntilikina

Age 25 and under (and 2 years or less experience) players developing in the regular rotation - Willy, KP, Jackson, Nti, Baker.

Portland probably likes Aminu too. Slightly younger, similarly productive as Turner at less than 1/2 the price and fewer years. Unloading Turner would be a big motivating factor to Portland being interested in this deal. Substitute Turner for Aminu and I think they pass, not to mention the deal probably is less likely to work cap wise.

fishmike wrote:He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

So if Portland is trying to get rid of money from their cap then why would they add to it cause Love is a bigger contract then E.Turner's?? I guess they could look at it as Love would help them and forget about getting rid of cap for a chance at making a run with adding K.Love to D.Lilliard, CJ and Nurcic but i think either us or Clev would have to take on one more of their bad contracts for them to trade all 3 of their 1st round picks.

nyknickzingis wrote:I'd like the Knicks to focus on some athleticism and defense skills with a Melo trade.
You will get role players, but get role players that can defend.

I think we're drafting Ntilikina if he's on the board at 8.
We won't be scoring 110 a night (or more). We have to rely on defense, energy.
Individual skill and talent much lower with Rose/Melo gone.

The Portland player I like is Aminu. If we trade them Love via CLE, I'd want Aminu.

I'd ammend the deal as follows.

CLE Love
NYK Melo
POR 15, 20, Aminu, Turner

CLE Melo, 20
NYK Aminu, Turner, 15
POR Love

We draft Nti at 8, Justin Jackson at 15.

10 man regular rotation

Willy/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Thomas
Aminu/Jackson
Turner/Lee
Baker/Ntilikina

Age 25 and under (and 2 years or less experience) players developing in the regular rotation - Willy, KP, Jackson, Nti, Baker.

The idea is good, but we need more shooting in the line-up. Shooting is probably the most important improvement we need to make in the off-season as a team.

Knickoftime wrote:ddd

fishmike wrote:He joins JR, Lebron and rather than joining a title team he can envision himself the piece that gets a chip. I think that perception is very important to him. He can be olympic Melo again.

Cle gets:
Melo
Pick #20

NY gets:
Channding Frye
Evan Turner
Picks #15, #26

Port gets:
Kevin Love

Cle gets Melo and the first rounder in a deep draft should smooth the Love vs. Melo age argument. One can debate this but I see Melo as a better fit both basketball wise and chemistry wise with his AAU bestie. Maybe Cle takes a guy like Frank Mason who could be a great bench player for them. Considering what they got from Deron Williams in the playoffs I think they would do this.

Portland uses their 3 draft picks to break up their glut at guard and add Love, a young all star front court player. Using their 3 picks to move Turner and add Love looks great for them.

Knicks will waive Frye, move on Melo, only take on one bad contract but its a player that actually fits. Turner is a good defender and ball mover. Knicks can take on a really nice prospect at 15 and another option at #26. They can use the 2nd rounders to stash, etc as they will have a lot of guys and choices to make.

This is a low yield trade for the Knicks. They clearly get the worst of the transaction but I think this is palpable for them.

Unlikely Cleveland gets caught up in such a complicated scenario just for the 20th pick.

its not that complicated. Pretty straightforward.

Portland does want cap relief. They also want to improve and this is a nice upgrade for them. Less about pick 20 and more about if Lebron things Melo upgrades them. Pick 20 is a chip for a bench player

I think there's another way to trade Melo to Cavs without getting a 3rd team involved with the basics being:

Cavs get Melo, KOQ

Knicks get T.Thompson and Cavs 2018 1st round pick.

T.Thompson makes around $16 mil per for another 4 years so we'd have to take on that contract but he'd actually be a really good fit playing PF next to KP or Willy at the C spot. He'd be the defense that KP and Willy would need next to them while they'd be the offense.

newyorker4ever wrote:I think there's another way to trade Melo to Cavs without getting a 3rd team involved with the basics being:

Cavs get Melo, KOQ

Knicks get T.Thompson and Cavs 2018 1st round pick.

T.Thompson makes around $16 mil per for another 4 years so we'd have to take on that contract but he'd actually be a really good fit playing PF next to KP or Willy at the C spot. He'd be the defense that KP and Willy would need next to them while they'd be the offense.

We just dont need bigs... Portland does has a glut of guards.

My initial reactions -- the overall trade isn't so bad from an overall equity perspective but I think Cleveland would want more for Love.

That said -- does Portland really believe they can defend GS with both Nurkic/Love on the floor?

fishmike wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I think there's another way to trade Melo to Cavs without getting a 3rd team involved with the basics being:

Cavs get Melo, KOQ

Knicks get T.Thompson and Cavs 2018 1st round pick.

T.Thompson makes around $16 mil per for another 4 years so we'd have to take on that contract but he'd actually be a really good fit playing PF next to KP or Willy at the C spot. He'd be the defense that KP and Willy would need next to them while they'd be the offense.

We just dont need bigs... Portland does has a glut of guards.

Well -- if we did go the T-Thompson route (outstanding defender / o-rebounder) we'd then have Thompson/Willy/Noah/KOQ/Plumlee -- correct far too many bigs (not even counting KP).

But if we did go this route -- we could in turn look to move Willy/KOQ for 1st round picks. If I could get Thompson and turn Willy into say OG Anunoby or another wing defender we might have something going defensively. Or we could move a Willy/KOQ post draft for an established wing defender.

Here is my Port-NY-Cle deal from a couple of days ago

Knicks - Trades: Anthony, Lee to the Cavs

Cavs - Trades: Thompson, Frye, Jefferson, and Taveres to Portland and Shump to the knicks

Blazers - Trades: Leonard and Turner to the knicks and Harkless to the Cavs

So the results will be:

NY receives - Turner, Leonard, Shump, #20 pick, #26 pick, and Cavs 2021 protected 1st(probably similar to the Dallas/Phi(Noel trade)

Por receives - Thompson, Frye, Jefferson, #44 pick, and #58 pick

Cle receives - Melo, Lee, and Harkless.

I think this could possibly help all teams. NY will add picks for taking on salary and move on from Melo.

The Blazers save nearly $10m this year and another $10m+ the following summer while gaining a legit rebounder to platoon with Nurkic in Thompson and two hustle defenders in Shump and Jefferson. Plus they get two 2nd rd picks to play with.

The Cavs get the Wings to match up with GSW. They improve their bench and team even though they lose a good rebounder.

One caveat. I think you can get the cavs to remove the protection if the Knicks and Cleveland agree to trade O'Quinn in a separate trade to slide into their trade exception before they lose it.

LivingLegend wrote:My initial reactions -- the overall trade isn't so bad from an overall equity perspective but I think Cleveland would want more for Love.

That said -- does Portland really believe they can defend GS with both Nurkic/Love on the floor?

what more would they get for Love than MElo and a late #1?

For Portland this doesnt help their cap situation but it balances their roster much better and turns their glut of expensive guards into a much more liquid asset in Love as well.

I think its reasonable... Im not into the my trade is better than yours contest. I tried to look at the simplest option

Here is my trade centered around Love instead of Thompson. It's pretty much the same for Cleveland and NY.

NY- Trades Melo, Lee, O'Quinn, pick 44, and pick 58

NY- receives Leonard, Turner, Frye, pick 20, pick 26, Cle 2021 1st(top 18-20 protected)

Por- Trades Harkless, Leonard, Turner, pick 20, and pick 26

Por- receives Love, Shump, O'Quinn, pick 44, and pick 58

Cle- Trades Love, Frye, Taveres, and 2021 protected 1st

Cle- receives Melo, Lee, Harkless,

Why it makes sense to me:

NY gets rid of Melo under the guise of receiving picks for Melo even though they are really just getting picks for taking on Salary. It's a save face move. Portland does not save that much money( I think around $5m without the picks and players) but they reallocate it to gain a better player in Love, a back up big for Nurkic, and get a defensive guard who can actually knock down 3s at league average. I think they really improve their passing with Love and O'quinn too but Portland seems to elevate the passing of their bigs so who knows what those bigs will do now. Cleveland gets a boatload of wings to match GSW. Harkless can not stop Durant but this gives them another long athletic body to match up on Durant who has played him a lot in the past. I think Lee is an upgrade from Shump and Melo is Melo.

But Portland has a significant cap issue and Love ain't cheap.

How about this trade between the Cavs, Knicks and Nuggets.

CAVS trade: Kevin Love, Richard Jefferson, Iman Shumpert, 1st round
CAVS receive: Courtney Lee, Melo, Kyle O'Qquinn and Wilson Chandler

Knicks Trade: Melo, Courntey Lee, Kyle O'Quinn, Kuz
Knicks Receive: Juancho Hermangomez, Gary Harris, Kenneth Faried, Channging Frye, First round pick from the Cavs, Possible 13th overall pick from the Nuggets(?)

Nuggets trade: Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Faried, Gary Harris, Juancho
Nuggets receive: Kevin Love, Shumpert, Jefferson, Kuz

Why for the Cavs? The Cavs receive Melo, who will make LeBron happy and provides an additional ball handler who can create shots for himself and for others. Lee, Chandler and O'Quinn gives the Cavs depth which they lacked in this finals. Can you imagine a lineup where you have a more consistent 2guard in Lee who provides shooting and plays defense, it also allows the Cavs to push JR on the bench. Wilson Chandler is better than RJ and he can play defense and score.

Why for the Knicks? The Knicks get two quality young players in Juancho and Gary Harris. Gary Harris is a two guard that can shoot and play some defense. Juancho is a stretch 4 that can rebound and fits with Porzingis. The Knicks take on the salary of Faried and Frye, but those players can be filled to other teams. Frye alone will most likely be coveted by a team like the Clippers, the Wizards, Thunder(who needs shooting), and possibly Philly(who needs lots of shooting and to meet the salary floor, maybe for one of their 2nd round picks).

Why for the Nuggets? They get Kevin Love. AND Yes Kevin Love and Jokic would be a terrible fit DEFENSIVELY but their fit Offensively would be insane. They know they're not going to win the championship anytime but want to make the playoffs which I believe Kevin Love will help them to do. Offensively they'll be really exciting and that will great a buzz around. They get a 2guard that can defend and replace the lost of Gary Harris. Kuz is a cheap bench piece to replace some of the depth they lost. They will also have enough money to resign Gallo and possibly get a PG.

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:My initial reactions -- the overall trade isn't so bad from an overall equity perspective but I think Cleveland would want more for Love.

That said -- does Portland really believe they can defend GS with both Nurkic/Love on the floor?

what more would they get for Love than MElo and a late #1?

For Portland this doesnt help their cap situation but it balances their roster much better and turns their glut of expensive guards into a much more liquid asset in Love as well.

I think its reasonable... Im not into the my trade is better than yours contest. I tried to look at the simplest option

The Warriors have 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. There's just no way this trade pushes Cleveland past them. The Cavs need to add 4th all-star (or near all-star) or 2nd MVP this summer. They need to keep Love and add Melo or another all-star. If they give up enough draft picks and/or take back bad contracts, they should be able to do that. If they can't, as might as well throw in the towel and rebuild.