Knicks · Woj Making Up KP-Trade Rumors? Could Be Related To Martin's Thread From Yesterday? (page 3)
The playoffs this season weren't nearly as dramatic as last year's. The big headlines, the drama is in the draft, the players, the deals. Now right on cue, Phil is taking offers to maybe make another big splash, this time in the draft. Really hope Phil learned his lesson.
Steve Popper @StevePopper
about 12 minutes ago
If it helps ease Knicks fans days, hearing that KP may not be as much on block as reported. More of an "if" to get Markannan to work out.
matt wrote:this. Teams that stockpile picks do so hoping for one player like KPstanleybostitch wrote:I love KP. But you have to listen. What if the Celts offer something like the following:#3 pick this year
One young wing off the current roster (crowder, etc.)
One or two future #1's (Nets/Sac/LA/etc)That's a 4-for-1. We need to maximize our assets - in this scenario we are maximizing assets.
And if you're lucky, MAYBE one of those picks turns into a player as good as Porzingis can be. Probably not though. This is so stupid
Knixkik wrote:Steve Popper
Steve Popper @StevePopper
about 12 minutes ago
If it helps ease Knicks fans days, hearing that KP may not be as much on block as reported. More of an "if" to get Markannan to work out.
see, this makes sense.
That said, I absolutely see him as a player with Steph Curry-like game changing attributes were he able to capitalize on all his strengths.
I think what people are saying is that they want to enjoy the journey with KP. Whether he takes it to the next level or not, we want to enjoy the show that is the KP legend in the making. And if he fails he fails. But he can be a top 5 player and a premier player in this league and we, as fans, want the opportunity to witness that here in NY-- not to cash our chips in early.
By contrast, others are responding with the 'what if' game. What if I agreed to give you KAT and the Wolve's next 99 first round draft picks? How about then? And that is just being cute.
The truth is somewhere in between. There are enough flaws in KP's game that you have to consider trade value as it relates to his contract status. The passive overtures in addition to formally skipping meetings create a risk factor on signability at the end of his rookie contract. Given the increase in the salary cap, many teams will be able to offer a ton of money. So, maybe cashing in while he has significant value makes sense?
He would not be cheap. If you can reset your clock on team control on a talented young player and add assets at the same time, that is one fundamental concept in team growth. The 76ers were jokes for years running. Maybe they still are. But who here wouldn't trade rosters with them at this moment? If you can build assets in what appears to be another re-building year, objectively you have to think about the offers as they come in.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Steve Popper
Steve Popper @StevePopper
about 12 minutes ago
If it helps ease Knicks fans days, hearing that KP may not be as much on block as reported. More of an "if" to get Markannan to work out.see, this makes sense.
And to add...
Chris Mannix ✔ @ChrisMannixYS
Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.
This is cooling off fast. Phil just trying to see how high teams are willing to go.
The fact that this is a topic means phil and his staff still doesn't have a plan or player to build around, just spinning the wheels and round and round we go.
Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.
totally agree with this. i love kp and want him a knick for life, no question about it. what i don't like is that he thinks as a 2nd year player he can skip the exit interview and conduct himself the way that he has. he's accomplished nothing in this league yet and hasn't earned the right to act the way he has. i know the knicks are a sideshow, but still, act as a professional, he has has to hold himself accountable and not stoop to the levels of management, as well as other players.
Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.
The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
It's not the place of a second year player to tell management what they should and shouldn't be doing. If we coddle KP and give him the power he thinks he deserves it will continue to go to his head and he will never get any better. KP's focus should be on how he can make the team better by improving his own game, not on how phil can do his job. If KP wants to win now he should do everything in his power to make the Knicks that much harder to beat while he is on the floor, not worry about the outside noise surrounding the team.
Dagger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
It's not the place of a second year player to tell management what they should and shouldn't be doing. If we coddle KP and give him the power he thinks he deserves it will continue to go to his head and he will never get any better. KP's focus should be on how he can make the team better by improving his own game, not on how phil can do his job. If KP wants to win now he should do everything in his power to make the Knicks that much harder to beat while he is on the floor, not worry about the outside noise surrounding the team.
THIS!
The genius part about Phil Jackson is that so many GMs around the league apparently have such a low opinion of the guy, they won't actually realize KP's negatives. How immature he is and how he is beginning to model his game after one of his role models, Carmelo Anthony. Behavior and game play wise. The passive aggressiveness. The brand building. The butting heads with management/coaches. The inefficient offense.
We need to get rid of them both and start from scratch with a new culture and more young talent.
I laughed at this
EwingsGlass wrote:KP presents a combination of size and skill that is hard to imagine replacing. Even if he has not peaked in his skill set. But make no mistakes, there are flaws in his game and his conditioning program seems to leave him with weak legs and injury prone throughout the season.That said, I absolutely see him as a player with Steph Curry-like game changing attributes were he able to capitalize on all his strengths.
I think what people are saying is that they want to enjoy the journey with KP. Whether he takes it to the next level or not, we want to enjoy the show that is the KP legend in the making. And if he fails he fails. But he can be a top 5 player and a premier player in this league and we, as fans, want the opportunity to witness that here in NY-- not to cash our chips in early.
By contrast, others are responding with the 'what if' game. What if I agreed to give you KAT and the Wolve's next 99 first round draft picks? How about then? And that is just being cute.
The truth is somewhere in between. There are enough flaws in KP's game that you have to consider trade value as it relates to his contract status. The passive overtures in addition to formally skipping meetings create a risk factor on signability at the end of his rookie contract. Given the increase in the salary cap, many teams will be able to offer a ton of money. So, maybe cashing in while he has significant value makes sense?
He would not be cheap. If you can reset your clock on team control on a talented young player and add assets at the same time, that is one fundamental concept in team growth. The 76ers were jokes for years running. Maybe they still are. But who here wouldn't trade rosters with them at this moment? If you can build assets in what appears to be another re-building year, objectively you have to think about the offers as they come in.
'Replacing' implies that we have a team in place worth a damn. Knicks need to build a whole team while there are teams out there that need specific parts like Porzingis. We shouldn't be worried about 'replacing' when we need literally everything we can get.
Dagger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
It's not the place of a second year player to tell management what they should and shouldn't be doing. If we coddle KP and give him the power he thinks he deserves it will continue to go to his head and he will never get any better. KP's focus should be on how he can make the team better by improving his own game, not on how phil can do his job. If KP wants to win now he should do everything in his power to make the Knicks that much harder to beat while he is on the floor, not worry about the outside noise surrounding the team.
Sometimes I think you guys don't understand the impact outside drama has on a team. You think players just block it out and go about their business.
2 yrs in the league, same team, but has already had 25 different teammates, utter confusion, and losing.
Some of you are so immune to the losing and drama, that you can't believe any player, vet, or youngster should have the audacity to complain. I guess they're suppose to shut and play and enjoy losing..
knicks1248 wrote:Dagger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
It's not the place of a second year player to tell management what they should and shouldn't be doing. If we coddle KP and give him the power he thinks he deserves it will continue to go to his head and he will never get any better. KP's focus should be on how he can make the team better by improving his own game, not on how phil can do his job. If KP wants to win now he should do everything in his power to make the Knicks that much harder to beat while he is on the floor, not worry about the outside noise surrounding the team.
Sometimes I think you guys don't understand the impact outside drama has on a team. You think players just block it out and go about their business.
2 yrs in the league, same team, but has already had 25 different teammates, utter confusion, and losing.
Some of you are so immune to the losing and drama, that you can't believe any player, vet, or youngster should have the audacity to complain. I guess they're suppose to shut and play and enjoy losing..
It's not about enjoying losing, it's about working on what you can control as a player and accepting what you can't control. As for whether a player can block out the media garbage storm, that is often what separates the greats from the wannabe greats, and we all hope that KP falls into the first category.
Divas and losers make excuses, winners look within and see how they can improve themselves.
Dagger wrote:I would think working out 5 hrs a day and not getting involved with the NY media has to be a kid headed down the winner road. Not sure what road a Pres is headed down that trashes the player he wants to trade after giving him an untradeable contract, forces his system and a lead assistant on his coach, takes over practices, looks into trading his future franchise player for petty reasons.knicks1248 wrote:Dagger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:Hopefully this tells KP to stop with that diva crap. It seems all this unicorn stuff has gone to his head. He has not played well enough to think he can start throwing his weight around.The nerve of KP insisting on wanting to win now
It's not the place of a second year player to tell management what they should and shouldn't be doing. If we coddle KP and give him the power he thinks he deserves it will continue to go to his head and he will never get any better. KP's focus should be on how he can make the team better by improving his own game, not on how phil can do his job. If KP wants to win now he should do everything in his power to make the Knicks that much harder to beat while he is on the floor, not worry about the outside noise surrounding the team.
Sometimes I think you guys don't understand the impact outside drama has on a team. You think players just block it out and go about their business.
2 yrs in the league, same team, but has already had 25 different teammates, utter confusion, and losing.
Some of you are so immune to the losing and drama, that you can't believe any player, vet, or youngster should have the audacity to complain. I guess they're suppose to shut and play and enjoy losing..
It's not about enjoying losing, it's about working on what you can control as a player and accepting what you can't control. As for whether a player can block out the media garbage storm, that is often what separates the greats from the wannabe greats, and we all hope that KP falls into the first category.
Divas and losers make excuses, winners look within and see how they can improve themselves.
If KP is learning anything from this it is that his boss is old, rigid, petty, stubborn, and reactive in his management style. If the team is going to be managed like this he would be better off somewhere else. Everybody else just has to wait two more years.
Ignore the dozen of NY media that stands out side your door, or chases you down in central park while riding your bike, don't worry about what your brother says, he doesn't have your best interest at heart. Don't worry that I said anyone on the team can be traded. Just block all that out of your mind and act like your not human, after all you're a unicorn..
Sinix wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:KP presents a combination of size and skill that is hard to imagine replacing. Even if he has not peaked in his skill set. But make no mistakes, there are flaws in his game and his conditioning program seems to leave him with weak legs and injury prone throughout the season.That said, I absolutely see him as a player with Steph Curry-like game changing attributes were he able to capitalize on all his strengths.
I think what people are saying is that they want to enjoy the journey with KP. Whether he takes it to the next level or not, we want to enjoy the show that is the KP legend in the making. And if he fails he fails. But he can be a top 5 player and a premier player in this league and we, as fans, want the opportunity to witness that here in NY-- not to cash our chips in early.
By contrast, others are responding with the 'what if' game. What if I agreed to give you KAT and the Wolve's next 99 first round draft picks? How about then? And that is just being cute.
The truth is somewhere in between. There are enough flaws in KP's game that you have to consider trade value as it relates to his contract status. The passive overtures in addition to formally skipping meetings create a risk factor on signability at the end of his rookie contract. Given the increase in the salary cap, many teams will be able to offer a ton of money. So, maybe cashing in while he has significant value makes sense?
He would not be cheap. If you can reset your clock on team control on a talented young player and add assets at the same time, that is one fundamental concept in team growth. The 76ers were jokes for years running. Maybe they still are. But who here wouldn't trade rosters with them at this moment? If you can build assets in what appears to be another re-building year, objectively you have to think about the offers as they come in.
'Replacing' implies that we have a team in place worth a damn. Knicks need to build a whole team while there are teams out there that need specific parts like Porzingis. We shouldn't be worried about 'replacing' when we need literally everything we can get.
Agreed. By 'replace', I simply meant that 7'3 mobile centers with 7'6 wingspan and good looking outside shot are hard to "replace" not to mean that the balance of the roster is set such that we would need someone to fill a specific role. My intention was the unique nature of his physical attributes and skills on an individual basis.