Knicks · Melo for Drue Holiday..... (page 1)

That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

Nalod wrote:That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

How are the Clippers affording $18m?

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

How are the Clippers affording $18m?

Not my problem. Any team can open up some cap space. They can back load a contract. THey renounce JJ Reddick to start.
They can pay him $10 mil for 5 years then buy him out after two years. We owe him 56mil over two years. Im using that as a bench mark.

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

How are the Clippers affording $18m?

Not my problem. Any team can open up some cap space. They can back load a contract. THey renounce JJ Reddick to start.
They can pay him $10 mil for 5 years then buy him out after two years. We owe him 56mil over two years. Im using that as a bench mark.

It's not anyone's problem, they just can't do it. They're already over the cap ($108m) not including Reddick's cap hold.

They can't create $18m any more than the Knicks can make Melo's salary disappear without the acrobatics you created to do it.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Nalod, we saw the Amare situation coming a mile away. No 2 miles away and we are just fans. He couldnt get insurance on his contract. Its not hindsight and is something Knicks management should have been fully prepared for since they are indeed paid to do just that.

Dice trade wasn't brilliant at all. Dice should have been moved for Camby straight up or no deal. No way was he worth a lotto pick and Camby after missing an entire year. Camby and lotto pick was worth a healthy all star. Or Canby should have been moved for a 2nd lotto pick.

Said the same things about both moves at the time they happend and again im just a fan. Even if those moves worked out it would have been due to luck and not due to real value.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Maybe you should check that one about Billup & Melo came in Amare's 1st season. That isn't correct. Could be wrong but I don't think so right off the top of my head.

rickyd wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Maybe you should check that one about Billup & Melo came in Amare's 1st season. That isn't correct. Could be wrong but I don't think so right off the top of my head.

Amare first season 2010-11. Melo half way thru that very year. Check the top of your head.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Nalod, we saw the Amare situation coming a mile away. No 2 miles away and we are just fans. He couldnt get insurance on his contract. Its not hindsight and is something Knicks management should have been fully prepared for since they are indeed paid to do just that.

Dice trade wasn't brilliant at all. Dice should have been moved for Camby straight up or no deal. No way was he worth a lotto pick and Camby after missing an entire year. Camby and lotto pick was worth a healthy all star. Or Canby should have been moved for a 2nd lotto pick.

Said the same things about both moves at the time they happend and again im just a fan. Even if those moves worked out it would have been due to luck and not due to real value.

Suns offered Amare a 3 year deal as it was thought thats how long he could held up. Pretty good guess actually.
Now we all saw the 5 year contract was insane I agree. Even 4. For three, he stays. Nalod don't like the Amare deal, but Amare was kicking arse his first year, we got melo, and turned a crumbling Billups into a still really good Tyson at that moment in time going into Amare's second season. on paper a darn good front line. Missing, guards and a bench. But whose to nit pick? LOL

As for Dice, you have to put yourself in that moment in time. We had the 7th pick which was Nene and in hindsight we should have kept him. Better yet, Draft Staudamire!!!! BUt at that moment in time Stat was a high school kid with an awful family situation. Redue that draft, he goes 1st!!!! Camby was lame as a knick. He was fragile both physically and I think mentally. Dude was soft. Then he goes on playing until he nearly 40 years old!!!!
Dice leg was totally healed. In preseason he was amazing. SHould he been playing as much? Well, after he blows his knee in a put back dunk, of course not. But hindsight is brilliant.
The point is, and this is a big one, the concept was brilliant, the outcome was awful!!! He blew his good leg, not the repaired one. It was cruel.
Sometimes you can't control the outcome. It was to be Dolan's first of many starphuch trades. Does a neophyte like Layden get to make that big ass deal and big ass Dice contract? Not in my book with out the owner yelling "Get me a star"!!!!

With Amare, he had a three year shelf life and he crawled to year three. Not so great a concept and we should not have done that. I blame Dolan on that, not Walsh. Walsh did not have the juice to sign a 100 million deal not insured. Thats the owners decision. Yes, we all saw that coming but Amare was great his first year playing at a very high level at that moment. Not an excuse, just that I don't see how we even come close to amnesty a guy after one year on his deal.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Nalod, we saw the Amare situation coming a mile away. No 2 miles away and we are just fans. He couldnt get insurance on his contract. Its not hindsight and is something Knicks management should have been fully prepared for since they are indeed paid to do just that.

Dice trade wasn't brilliant at all. Dice should have been moved for Camby straight up or no deal. No way was he worth a lotto pick and Camby after missing an entire year. Camby and lotto pick was worth a healthy all star. Or Canby should have been moved for a 2nd lotto pick.

Said the same things about both moves at the time they happend and again im just a fan. Even if those moves worked out it would have been due to luck and not due to real value.

Suns offered Amare a 3 year deal as it was thought thats how long he could held up. Pretty good guess actually.
Now we all saw the 5 year contract was insane I agree. Even 4. For three, he stays. Nalod don't like the Amare deal, but Amare was kicking arse his first year, we got melo, and turned a crumbling Billups into a still really good Tyson at that moment in time going into Amare's second season. on paper a darn good front line. Missing, guards and a bench. But whose to nit pick? LOL

As for Dice, you have to put yourself in that moment in time. We had the 7th pick which was Nene and in hindsight we should have kept him. Better yet, Draft Staudamire!!!! BUt at that moment in time Stat was a high school kid with an awful family situation. Redue that draft, he goes 1st!!!! Camby was lame as a knick. He was fragile both physically and I think mentally. Dude was soft. Then he goes on playing until he nearly 40 years old!!!!
Dice leg was totally healed. In preseason he was amazing. SHould he been playing as much? Well, after he blows his knee in a put back dunk, of course not. But hindsight is brilliant.
The point is, and this is a big one, the concept was brilliant, the outcome was awful!!! He blew his good leg, not the repaired one. It was cruel.
Sometimes you can't control the outcome. It was to be Dolan's first of many starphuch trades. Does a neophyte like Layden get to make that big ass deal and big ass Dice contract? Not in my book with out the owner yelling "Get me a star"!!!!

With Amare, he had a three year shelf life and he crawled to year three. Not so great a concept and we should not have done that. I blame Dolan on that, not Walsh. Walsh did not have the juice to sign a 100 million deal not insured. Thats the owners decision. Yes, we all saw that coming but Amare was great his first year playing at a very high level at that moment. Not an excuse, just that I don't see how we even come close to amnesty a guy after one year on his deal.

The concepts werent bad. The value was horrible. Amare at 3 years 65-70 to keep Suns away sure. If he declines the offer you fall back on that cap space and stat patient amd keep building. Dice you offer Camby only. He missed an entire season due to injury. You don't give up Camby and a lotto pick for that. You offer Canby straight up. If they decline the you fall back on Camby and your lottery pick. Or you dangle that package to another team for a healthy all star. We gave full value to players that only were available because they held MAJOR injury risk. Shouldn't the injury risk be calculated within the value your willing to offer?

Tyson wasn't a once in a generation type of player. He was a role player who had a great run with Dallas as a 20min role player. With the 40mil you could have found a Cmaby level player in FA the next year. And still had money to build a highend backcourt around Melo. Fans are allowed to get caught up in the hype. Managments job is to be level headed think logically.

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

How are the Clippers affording $18m?

Not my problem. Any team can open up some cap space. They can back load a contract. THey renounce JJ Reddick to start.
They can pay him $10 mil for 5 years then buy him out after two years. We owe him 56mil over two years. Im using that as a bench mark.

It is the Knick's problem if they are hoping to get cap space out of the deal. Melo can sign for the vet minimum and get paid 52 mil over the next two years by the Knicks. He can sign wherever he wants. With his deal he definitely clears waivers. I don't see Melo helping Phil out at this point. Maybe he signs for a year with the Cavs and leaves to go to the Clips with LBJ after next season. He would still be on the Knicks payroll. No Jrue just a ton of money against the cap.

Nalod wrote:

rickyd wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.

20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!

YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!

That's not to bad. But..

When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.

When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.

When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.

The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.

Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.

Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.

Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.

Maybe you should check that one about Billup & Melo came in Amare's 1st season. That isn't correct. Could be wrong but I don't think so right off the top of my head.

Amare first season 2010-11. Melo half way thru that very year. Check the top of your head.

Ok, The way you stated it they came together at the beginning of the year. Knew Amare's came in 2010 but thought Melo came the following season. Thanks for clarifying. Check my head it ok!!

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:That got your attention.

Buy out melo. He gets $18mil per from Clippers, or for those numerically challanged thats $36mil off the $56mil in a two year deal. I'd say its more than a two year deal but we don't really care what he makes out there. we free up $20 mil a year after stretching what we owe Melo, and use that to sign somebody.
A buy out is numerically for what he is worth. If not, then its a gift. Melo is worth $18mil per. Thats Freaking JJ Reddick Money. We don't want JJ, or rivers or 47 year old Crawford. We get free agent money to spend.
Get it? Buy out is a good thing.

Knicks might not be rich in smarts, but Knicks do have money to burn. Maybe its not Holiday, maybe its something else, but it frees up money to spend or trade for.
That's how you essentially how

How are the Clippers affording $18m?

Not my problem. Any team can open up some cap space. They can back load a contract. THey renounce JJ Reddick to start.
They can pay him $10 mil for 5 years then buy him out after two years. We owe him 56mil over two years. Im using that as a bench mark.

It is the Knick's problem if they are hoping to get cap space out of the deal. Melo can sign for the vet minimum and get paid 52 mil over the next two years by the Knicks. He can sign wherever he wants. With his deal he definitely clears waivers. I don't see Melo helping Phil out at this point. Maybe he signs for a year with the Cavs and leaves to go to the Clips with LBJ after next season. He would still be on the Knicks payroll. No Jrue just a ton of money against the cap.

You talking waiving him. Not buy out. Not the same.

The best way to handle this is to tell him to stay home and we won't trade him unless he completely waives his NTC. We need to pay him based on the contract so pay him but we absolutely don't have to play him or even dress him, use that as leverage. Him and his fans would scream bloody murder but that's fine by me.

meloshouldgo wrote:The best way to handle this is to tell him to stay home and we won't trade him unless he completely waives his NTC. We need to pay him based on the contract so pay him but we absolutely don't have to play him or even dress him, use that as leverage. Him and his fans would scream bloody murder but that's fine by me.

I don't think a team would be allowed to force someone to void part of their own contract. Best practice would be not to give out mega deals with a trade kicker and a Ntc. Melo is a knick this year or he is bought out. The deal he was give by Phil is not trade able.
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CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:The best way to handle this is to tell him to stay home and we won't trade him unless he completely waives his NTC. We need to pay him based on the contract so pay him but we absolutely don't have to play him or even dress him, use that as leverage. Him and his fans would scream bloody murder but that's fine by me.

I don't think a team would be allowed to force someone to void part of their own contract. Best practice would be not to give out mega deals with a trade kicker and a Ntc. Melo is a knick this year or he is bought out. The deal he was give by Phil is not trade able.
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No one said anything about voiding any contracts. The contract says we need to pay him a salary for his services and we need to pay him no matter what. So we will pay him to stay home. NOTHING is voided by doing that.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:The best way to handle this is to tell him to stay home and we won't trade him unless he completely waives his NTC. We need to pay him based on the contract so pay him but we absolutely don't have to play him or even dress him, use that as leverage. Him and his fans would scream bloody murder but that's fine by me.

I don't think a team would be allowed to force someone to void part of their own contract. Best practice would be not to give out mega deals with a trade kicker and a Ntc. Melo is a knick this year or he is bought out. The deal he was give by Phil is not trade able.
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No one said anything about voiding any contracts. The contract says we need to pay him a salary for his services and we need to pay him no matter what. So we will pay him to stay home. NOTHING is voided by doing that.

Would forcing be a better word? Maybe the knicks are allowed to do that but I doubt it. I believe Melo is vice president of the nbapa. I can't imagine it would be allowed. Maybe this time Silver steps in and gets involved with Jackson.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:The best way to handle this is to tell him to stay home and we won't trade him unless he completely waives his NTC. We need to pay him based on the contract so pay him but we absolutely don't have to play him or even dress him, use that as leverage. Him and his fans would scream bloody murder but that's fine by me.

I don't think a team would be allowed to force someone to void part of their own contract. Best practice would be not to give out mega deals with a trade kicker and a Ntc. Melo is a knick this year or he is bought out. The deal he was give by Phil is not trade able.
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No one said anything about voiding any contracts. The contract says we need to pay him a salary for his services and we need to pay him no matter what. So we will pay him to stay home. NOTHING is voided by doing that.

Would forcing be a better word? Maybe the knicks are allowed to do that but I doubt it. I believe Melo is vice president of the nbapa. I can't imagine it would be allowed. Maybe this time Silver steps in and gets involved with Jackson.

What exactly won't happen what is the legal position against it happening? Who cares what Melo is in the NBPA? No one is even forcing him to stay home, if he wants to play he came waive the fukking NTC. And no it doesn't matter who have him the NTC he can waive it or stay home.