Phil talking about taking Frank and why he likes Euro players...I'm with him on his implied criticism of college ball, where too often more emphasis is on being a showman than a team player.
“Sometimes it’s the ability for players to grow up into a system of play that they adapt to as they’re growing up as young players, and fitting into that style,” Jackson said. “A lot of the times in our college ball here, without making a lot of claims, a lot of it is about our college ball adapting to who the players are and our college game becomes more a style of what you can do offensively.“Just giving a lot of room to players just to play whatever one-on-one or whatever ability they have, whereas the European players are schooled into a system and how to fit into it.”
Phil is as infuriating as Isiah. Isiah was a tough 2 way player with heart and signed nothing but creampuffs. Zen-master Phils attempt to build some kind of basketball culture has actually made things look worse.
Phil does draft well... I think at this point the best scenario is Phil finishes out his contract, continues to add good talent and when he's gone we turn the ship over to someone who can simply deal with the people better. Although its Dolan's garden so that is most surely a pipe dream 
fishmike wrote:Phil is as infuriating as Isiah. Isiah was a tough 2 way player with heart and signed nothing but creampuffs. Zen-master Phils attempt to build some kind of basketball culture has actually made things look worse. Phil does draft well... I think at this point the best scenario is Phil finishes out his contract, continues to add good talent and when he's gone we turn the ship over to someone who can simply deal with the people better. Although its Dolan's garden so that is most surely a pipe dream
I appreciate Phil trying to build something. And I guess he's trying to build something he knows. He's missing a coach that can be a partner, and he's not flexible enough to realize since he has no coaching tree, he needs to change, and work with, not through, Hornacek.
It's a shame because if Phil could actually build the culture he describes, the future of the Knicks would look bright. We have a record number of international players in the NBA. Recruiting European talent will only become more important and they are more accustomed to systematic offenses. Furthermore, NYC is a capital of the world. There is a lot of great potential in turning it into a destination for international players. But so far, the culture has not budged and if anything got worse (less defense).
fishmike wrote:Phil is as infuriating as Isiah. Isiah was a tough 2 way player with heart and signed nothing but creampuffs. Zen-master Phils attempt to build some kind of basketball culture has actually made things look worse. Phil does draft well... I think at this point the best scenario is Phil finishes out his contract, continues to add good talent and when he's gone we turn the ship over to someone who can simply deal with the people better. Although its Dolan's garden so that is most surely a pipe dream
MEH! I see no comparison between Isiah and Phil. I actually think Phil is right about finding players that aren't TAINTED by AAU mentality and NBA Entitled lifestyle!
I actually don't think Phil's interpersonal skills are a match for the type of BIG BABY types in the NBA. Popovich, Riley, Carlisle, Thibs, Van Gundy don't mess around either. LMA is trying to get out of San Antonio. WHY?
According to a person with knowledge of the Spurs forward’s situation, it’s the 31-year-old’s unhappiness in San Antonio that is the driving force behind the Spurs’ trade talks on Thursday. The five-time All-Star, according to the person, is hopeful that San Antonio can find a better fit for his talents.But the Spurs’ way is different, with coach Gregg Popovich less inclined to feature individual talents and Leonard’s emergence these past two seasons ensuring that he’s their epicenter. The track record is impeccable, of course, what with the Spurs having won five championships since 1999
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb...To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.
Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.
nixluva wrote:To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.
Spot on. We are moving forward with a great foundation of youth, picks, cap, and adoption of system ball. Sprinkle in 3-5yrs and what do you get? CHAMPIONSHIP.
stanleybostitch wrote:nixluva wrote:To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.
Spot on. We are moving forward with a great foundation of youth, picks, cap, and adoption of system ball. Sprinkle in 3-5yrs and what do you get? CHAMPIONSHIP.
CHAMPIONSHIP? We can all dream
I do hope that the Culture Change starts with having guys like Nitty, Baker and maybe Randle or Jaramaz running the show for large portions of each game. Those guys will buy in and execute what Jeff wants on the court. That makes a HUGE difference! Not ignoring KP and the others who are open! Playing tough D so our bugs aren't so exposed!
Sounds like Phil plans on being here for a long time, like Sather, and Dolan just might make it happen.
Why would Phil believe that a new GM/President wouldn't immediately hire a new coach with an entirely new system in 2 years? The team isn't close to that far along to make a case for keeping the Triangle. Doesn't sound like someone who is concerned with that fact.
The argument could be made they can adapt to other systems, but I dont believe it has anything to do with that ability, just the ability to play this one.
Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.
Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support. Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.
What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....
Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I'd suggest either removing yourself from or stop caring about the social media/media bubble. It's literally in everyone's power just to make it go away, like that.
It's like the Porzingis stuff the last few days. Since absolutely nothing happened, not spending a week anxious about something happening was objectively the better choice.
What you're talking about above is effectively intangible. It literally only even exists if you let it.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support. Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.
LOL -A team starting Melo, Rose and KP with Lee was lacking in talent. So they couldn't make it to the playoffs in tbe East - Cant make this shit up. SMDH
I'm no longer dwelling in the past. Phil is quite CLEARLY moved on from the Melo-Centric process to 100% building a NEW YOUNG CORE for the future!!! ALL Knicks fans should be behind this but there are a large contingent that are LOVING the Media Hyped drama! Just ignore that crap as Phil has. Phil simply went about his business and added MORE young talent to the team. He'll keep doing that going forward over the next 2 years.
Knickoftime wrote:EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I'd suggest either removing yourself from or stop caring about the social media/media bubble. It's literally in everyone's power just to make it go away, like that.
It's like the Porzingis stuff the last few days. Since absolutely nothing happened, not spending a week anxious about something happening was objectively the better choice.
What you're talking about above is effectively intangible. It literally only even exists if you let it.
True.
To counter this I suggest everyone learn to meditate.
If you think that Phil has any issues with what is going on you are mistaken.
When every stupid reporter think Phil is getting a nap, he is just meditating.
It clears your mind from all b-shit and helps to make the best decision available at the moment.
If one cannot take care about his own mind - it will kill him rather sooner that later.
Knicks will be fine but it will take a while.
It took rangers 6-7 years to get out of the starpunching hole and now they were in the cup run 9 of 10 years and get really close.
And they are loaded moving forward.
Just sit, close your eyes, take a deep breath, observe you thoughts, and let them go, don't fight.
You be in much better place in 10 min.
You can't realky do a clean rebuild while Melo is still on the team. We will have more drama and more negativity and more bitching. Unless he gets rid of that problem, there isn't much to get excited about.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support. Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.
LOL -A team starting Melo, Rose and KP with Lee was lacking in talent. So they couldn't make it to the playoffs in tbe East - Cant make this shit up. SMDH
I know you have a handle to uphold, but would you honestly say as talented as Rose and Lee may be, either played any defense?
I unfortunately watched five minutes of ESPN prior to the draft starting, and the announcers were making fun of Phil and the Knicks like it was the cool thing to do. Based on nothing. Idiots. And I cannot get that five minutes of my life back.
stanleybostitch wrote:I unfortunately watched five minutes of ESPN prior to the draft starting, and the announcers were making fun of Phil and the Knicks like it was the cool thing to do. Based on nothing. Idiots. And I cannot get that five minutes of my life back.
When you listen to fools mob rules...
Knickoftime wrote:EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I'd suggest either removing yourself from or stop caring about the social media/media bubble. It's literally in everyone's power just to make it go away, like that.
It's like the Porzingis stuff the last few days. Since absolutely nothing happened, not spending a week anxious about something happening was objectively the better choice.
What you're talking about above is effectively intangible. It literally only even exists if you let it.
Yeah, if what's being written on the internet is bothering your, it's your issue, not the internet's issue. Just take a break Eny. Be sure to visit in 2072 when Phil's plan starts to pay off!
I'm just giving you a hard time. We all get too worked up at times from what's on these boards or on the internet but it's still our own fault not someone else's.
EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I have to turn off the radio and change the channel when ESPN is doing any coverage of the Knicks.
