Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
It's a clear Salary Dump. Carroll is owed 30M over 2 yrs and Hamilton is an expiring contract. It give Raports cap flexibility and the Nets net a 1st round pick.
That's what the Nets have to do, and it's smart. They have tons of cap space, but no one wants to play there yet, so they offer that cap space to contending teams over the cap to net picks for their rebuild. This 1st will not be a lottery pick.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:It's a clear Salary Dump. Carroll is owed 30M over 2 yrs and Hamilton is an expiring contract. It give Raports cap flexibility and the Nets net a 1st round pick. That's what the Nets have to do, and it's smart. They have tons of cap space, but no one wants to play there yet, so they offer that cap space to contending teams over the cap to net picks for their rebuild. This 1st will not be a lottery pick.
That's actually a lot of compensation IMO for taking on $30 mil. I'm guessing the picks will be around 25 and 40.
Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
i like your posts b/c they are predictable :)
daryl morey traded a first rounder to dump lin. he's overrated too.
while it's not a good look to trade a first rounder to dump your first big FA...there's a little more to it. there's follow up moves coming and we needed to not only open up a spot for norman powell to get minutes but to sign him as well as he's an RFA next summer.
this also allows us to use the full MLE instead of the luxury tax MLE.
it's a lotto protected pick. we already have a 2nd rounder from the magic in 2018.
there are more moves to follow. at the end of the day, we get to 50 and advance, then it's all good. just b/c you don't have a title contending roster doesn't mean you're not a good gm. i'm not sure you understand just how tough being a gm in this league is.
Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.
I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?
I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.
TripleThreat wrote:Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.
I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?
I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.
wish we had masai instead of david griffin
Take away his fleecing of dolan twice and he has not much to show- he basically inherited the captors team and accidentally turned them into a winner while trying to dismantle them for a tank.
So in theory if we could get a late first round pick for Courtney Lee sometime in the next year, we might be able to use it to dump Noah's contract next year, while freeing up $30MM in cap space to further build around the youthful core.
Kudos to the Nets for building a roster around late 20s draft picks!
Dolan helped his career twice. He should come back and work for us for free! FREE!
Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
Yeah I'm honestly not sure which would be better. It's a tough call. I'd probably prefer getting the picks but I could still support what they're doing. I just don't want to see injury prone old guys or overrated volume scorers getting huge deals any more.
20 to 25 might be a more reasonable prediction for the Raptors pick though obviously nothing is guaranteed.
NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
The Nets did the same thing the Knicks did initially, chased a young player they liked with an over pay. When that didn't work out they reset and took on cap for picks. The Nets chose Porter first. I like this move for the Nets. I am not sure if the Knicks would go this route. I think Cole gets moved for a pick soon as well.
NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
If i'm the Nets im going after B.Knight and Asik. Collecting those picks and still coming into 2019 when they can finally get the rights to their picks back and all those contracts coming off the books.
NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
So if the Raptors offered Carroll and attached Anžejs Pasečņiks to make the deal happen, that'd get you interested?
NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.
Someone with common sense , yes these are the moves the Knicks should be making. The Knicks could of been rebuilt to a championship contender this offseason in a few years with just a couple few moves, they blew it.
Jmpasq wrote:CrushAlot wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/rapt...
Sigh, The Nets will be a better team than the Knicks in 3 years and they gave away all their picks , we are fing clueless
Nets will have the Raptors pick, the Celtics will have the Nets pick and the Knicks will have the Knicks pick.
How's that an advantage to the Nets?
Caseloads wrote:TripleThreat wrote:Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.
I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?
I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.
wish we had masai instead of david griffin
Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.
BigDaddyG wrote:Caseloads wrote:TripleThreat wrote:Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.
He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.
I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?
I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.
wish we had masai instead of david griffin
Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.
Pick in the 20s is THAT appealing?
Knickoftime wrote:Jmpasq wrote:CrushAlot wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/rapt...
Sigh, The Nets will be a better team than the Knicks in 3 years and they gave away all their picks , we are fing clueless
Nets will have the Raptors pick, the Celtics will have the Nets pick and the Knicks will have the Knicks pick.
How's that an advantage to the Nets?
The moves the Nets have made this offseason have been smart and point directly to a GM that has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing. The Knicks overpaying a middling SG shows how out of touch they are.
