Vmart wrote:2.1 million
Just a tad below the max deal he was looking for
meloshouldgo wrote:Vmart wrote:2.1 million
Just a tad below the max deal he was looking for
D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
Notification on my phone said LBJ can't wait for the Kyrie trade to happen.
BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
How many people on this Earth can put up 20 points game in the NBA shooting 47% from the field? For 2mm that is officially the best value signing this year by a mile. LBJ is a differentiatior defensively--he makes everyone else better
This is great news. With Rose there the Cavs will feel more comfortable about trading Irving. A team of Rose, smith, Melo, Lebron, and Love would be pretty tough on offense.
Favorite DRose NY Knicks moment? Today.
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
How many people on this Earth can put up 20 points game in the NBA shooting 47% from the field?
39.
230 can score more efficiently.
109 pass for assists at a better rate.
Since you asked.
For 2mm that is officially the best value signing this year by a mile. LBJ is a differentiatior defensively--he makes everyone else better
By this logic Cleveland can sign any low efficiency, high volume shooter who plays NO defense and it'd be a "value" signing.
TheGame wrote:This is great news. With Rose there the Cavs will feel more comfortable about trading Irving. A team of Rose, smith, Melo, Lebron, and Love would be pretty tough on offense.
Was exactly does a guy have to do to demonstrate he's not a good NBA shooter?
Being able to take a shot is a legitimate NBS skill.
Be able to score points efficiently in relation to how many shots you take is far more important.
He is Nba mediocre at that.
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
2016/17 rose
triangle, mass confusion, dysfunctional team ,rape trial, awol, no leader, no real team direction.
Exactly who on the knicks had a good yr, other than willy
knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
2016/17 rose
triangle, mass confusion, dysfunctional team ,rape trial, awol, no leader, no real team direction.
Exactly who on the knicks had a good yr, other than willy
His numbers were an improvement over 2015-16.
At his nadir rose was handing out néarly 8 assists a game and getting to the line 7 times.
He is no longer that player and hasn't been in half a decade.
Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
2016/17 rose
triangle, mass confusion, dysfunctional team ,rape trial, awol, no leader, no real team direction.
Exactly who on the knicks had a good yr, other than willy
His numbers were an improvement over 2015-16.
At his nadir rose was handing out néarly 8 assists a game and getting to the line 7 times.
He is no longer that player and hasn't been in half a decade.
He still can be very use full, especially for that price
knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
2016/17 rose
triangle, mass confusion, dysfunctional team ,rape trial, awol, no leader, no real team direction.
Exactly who on the knicks had a good yr, other than willy
His numbers were an improvement over 2015-16.
At his nadir rose was handing out néarly 8 assists a game and getting to the line 7 times.
He is no longer that player and hasn't been in half a decade.
He still can be very use full, especially for that price
He can be very useful if you want a player to take a lot of shots that produce points at a lower rate than 230 players or make passes that produce assists at a lower rate than 109 other players.
Derek Rose is still very fast and still can handle the ball and get inside the defense at a very above average rate.
Good things are just not happening at a good rate when he has the ball on offense.
That isn't an opinion, that's just math.
This will not have an impact on an Irving trade.. would've happened with or without Irving on the Cavs. That being said a player like Frank Ntilikina playing behind D.Rose would be intriguing for them.
Knickoftime wrote:TheGame wrote:This is great news. With Rose there the Cavs will feel more comfortable about trading Irving. A team of Rose, smith, Melo, Lebron, and Love would be pretty tough on offense.
Was exactly does a guy have to do to demonstrate he's not a good NBA shooter?
Being able to take a shot is a legitimate NBS skill.
Be able to score points efficiently in relation to how many shots you take is far more important.
He is Nba mediocre at that.
Rose is decent. His weakness is no defense and no 3pt shooting. He actually can shoot 3s but for some reason he just wants to drive. I think he just has the mindset that I can drive on anyone so why shoot 3s. Anyway, he probably a better defender than Irving, so in the Cavs mind; he probably gives them 75% of what Irving gave them. Then you add what they can get for Irving and the cave might be able to put together an even stronger team.
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:D Rose is no slouch of a player--anyone you add with LBJ goes up a few notches on top of it.
I don't put anything past James, but this past year rose was the definition of a slouch.
Low assist rate, low efg%, no defense.
His penetration is only useful if it leads to converted scores.
It did not.
How many people on this Earth can put up 20 points game in the NBA shooting 47% from the field?
39.
230 can score more efficiently.
109 pass for assists at a better rate.
Since you asked.
For 2mm that is officially the best value signing this year by a mile. LBJ is a differentiatior defensively--he makes everyone else better
By this logic Cleveland can sign any low efficiency, high volume shooter who plays NO defense and it'd be a "value" signing.
Low-efficiency? 47.1 % isnt the best eFG but its great FG% for a guard. When we were at the end of games--would you rather have Carmelo taking his 18 foot fallaway or Derek driving to the hoop?
No Derrick Rose at 2mm$ on a great team is a steal. They will keep him to 20 minutes and get him for 50% and quality play.
TheGame wrote:Knickoftime wrote:TheGame wrote:This is great news. With Rose there the Cavs will feel more comfortable about trading Irving. A team of Rose, smith, Melo, Lebron, and Love would be pretty tough on offense.
Was exactly does a guy have to do to demonstrate he's not a good NBA shooter?
Being able to take a shot is a legitimate NBS skill.
Be able to score points efficiently in relation to how many shots you take is far more important.
He is Nba mediocre at that.
Rose is decent. His weakness is no defense and no 3pt shooting. He actually can shoot 3s but for some reason he just wants to drive. I think he just has the mindset that I can drive on anyone so why shoot 3s. Anyway, he probably a better defender than Irving, so in the Cavs mind; he probably gives them 75% of what Irving gave them. Then you add what they can get for Irving and the cave might be able to put together an even stronger team.
Agree, people think Rose was a bad defender, wait till they see Kyrie. LOL
