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BRIGGS @ 9/1/2017 11:48 AM
One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

franco12 @ 9/1/2017 12:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.

GustavBahler @ 9/1/2017 12:07 PM
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Willy has good court vision and should assert himself more. Noah in limited minutes can distribute, but I agree not to count on him too much. If there is a remote chance of making the playoffs, a relatively healthy Noah would be important. Would rather limit his minutes, even if it doesnt look like he needs it.

As long as the ball keeps moving, they'll be OK.

nixluva @ 9/1/2017 12:10 PM
Meh! I think we need to actually SEE what we have. The Knicks could've drafted a Ball Dominant PG. I think their Philosophy is still more in the direction of Phil's views on not needing a Ball Pounding PG. As long as we can get the ball up the floor and quickly get into the offense that's fine.

Jeff ran Early Drag Screens and PnR with off ball motion. This is very similar to what GS does. Lots of Ball and Player Movement. You should be able to get by with THJ being more of an attacking guard. Sessions also drives fairly well.

Knickoftime @ 9/1/2017 12:17 PM
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

Knixkik @ 9/1/2017 12:41 PM
franco12 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.

I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.

knicks1248 @ 9/1/2017 12:51 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

Knickoftime @ 9/1/2017 1:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

nixluva @ 9/1/2017 1:16 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

knicks1248 @ 9/1/2017 1:37 PM
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

lol, thank you

I still think it's bS and he's just saying that to not make phil and gains not look like idiots.

Truth be told, Phil never actually went to see frank play, he sent mills and gaines, and some other scouts. Just like kP, phil took their word that this is the kid that would solve our pg problems in the triangle.

Mills and JH keeps saying they will use a little triangle, is basically saving face for phil, out right abandonment would mean nobody was on board with that sht but phil and rambis in the 1st place.

newyorknewyork @ 9/1/2017 2:01 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

lol, thank you

I still think it's bS and he's just saying that to not make phil and gains not look like idiots.

Truth be told, Phil never actually went to see frank play, he sent mills and gaines, and some other scouts. Just like kP, phil took their word that this is the kid that would solve our pg problems in the triangle.

Mills and JH keeps saying they will use a little triangle, is basically saving face for phil, out right abandonment would mean nobody was on board with that sht but phil and rambis in the 1st place.

Yet if Frank become a stud. A fews yrs later you will be claiming that the pic was a no brainer and that Frank was "your guy" since the Knicks drafted him.

Ball dominant guards come along every year. Players like Frank are harder to come by. And even if Frank's flaws all becomes real in terms of penitration. He would still be the perfect compliment too any ball dominant guard we would acquire in the future. Jist like Kidd was able to elevate Feltons PG responsibilities.

Franks skill set would allow you to have a Rose and not torpedo your offense. With KP, Willy, Frank. If Frank isnt a stud PG. Any PG we acquire would have a he'll of a cast to play with to make his job easier I will tell you that.

Knickoftime @ 9/1/2017 2:16 PM
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

nixluva @ 9/1/2017 2:36 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

The Knicks brought back THJ partly because he can get out on the break and drive in half court too. Penetration shouldn't be a major problem for this team. Nitty isn't a blur type but should be able to get to the rim off screens and cuts. This is still gonna be a Ball and Player Movement Offense. More Dribble Handoffs, Cuts and Down Screens than ISO PG Breakdown offense.

knicks1248 @ 9/1/2017 3:06 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Knickoftime @ 9/1/2017 3:22 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.

nixluva @ 9/1/2017 5:13 PM
Well Nitty doesn't look like he's gonna have major problems adjusting to the NBA Level. We know the kind of talent KP and Willy are showing. Kuz is looking stronger and more confident. THJ could be hitting his stride. There's enough positive going on with this team to be optimistic about the coming season.
reub @ 9/1/2017 5:21 PM
nixluva wrote:Well Nitty doesn't look like he's gonna have major problems adjusting to the NBA Level. We know the kind of talent KP and Willy are showing. Kuz is looking stronger and more confident. THJ could be hitting his stride. There's enough positive going on with this team to be optimistic about the coming season.

Frank is going to be a Kawhi-level star. He might be very good even in his first season. We are blessed to have him.

newyorknewyork @ 9/1/2017 6:08 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.

Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.

GustavBahler @ 9/1/2017 6:13 PM
^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....
KP4Life @ 9/1/2017 6:17 PM
Frank just looks bad compared to DSJr cause we saw some of DSjr in the summer league and he looked like a beast. We have nothing to compare Frank to so it makes him look worse. I have confidence he willl be a good player, but remember hes only like 19 so this is basically his Freshman year in college. Dont be surprised if he has trouble finishing at the rim his first year cause of strength, he's only a kid. Hopefully the media and fans will give him some time and not destroy him the first chance they get (which they probably will)
nixluva @ 9/1/2017 6:20 PM
reub wrote:
nixluva wrote:Well Nitty doesn't look like he's gonna have major problems adjusting to the NBA Level. We know the kind of talent KP and Willy are showing. Kuz is looking stronger and more confident. THJ could be hitting his stride. There's enough positive going on with this team to be optimistic about the coming season.

Frank is going to be a Kawhi-level star. He might be very good even in his first season. We are blessed to have him.

I still can't get over how big he is. Not just the length but he can shoot over smaller PG's with ease. The versatility as a PG/SG is going to be very interesting to see.

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