Knicks · OT: Do you think ESPN should fire jemele Hill ? (page 4)
Uptown wrote:arkrud wrote:There is free speech and there is defamation.
If someone make bold statement like this he/she should understand the consequences.
She should be happy that there is no legal action against her.
Media can present facts and comment on them but has no right to hang labels on people.
This is up to audience how to perceive the information provided by media and make their own judgement.
If some media organization is biased it is not news provider but rather propaganda.
What political propaganda has to do with sports?Why wasn't Trump fired from the Apprentice when he called Obama a racist? Why wasn't there any legal action against him for calling the then president a racist? Trump is a hypocrite!
LOL. Thanks Captain obvious!! (I am joking, I agree Trump is so full of crap). Trump being a lying hypocrite is something every person in America willing to look at him objectively has realized since last Spring.
Uptown wrote:arkrud wrote:There is free speech and there is defamation.
If someone make bold statement like this he/she should understand the consequences.
She should be happy that there is no legal action against her.
Media can present facts and comment on them but has no right to hang labels on people.
This is up to audience how to perceive the information provided by media and make their own judgement.
If some media organization is biased it is not news provider but rather propaganda.
What political propaganda has to do with sports?Why wasn't Trump fired from the Apprentice when he called Obama a racist? Why wasn't there any legal action against him for calling the then president a racist? Trump is a hypocrite!
Are Trump actions or anyone for that matter is excusing any news professional from being unprofessional and unethical.
If someone commuted a crime does it mean that someone else also can do same?
Everyone is the same in the face of the law and in the face of professional and human responsibility.
arkrud wrote:Uptown wrote:arkrud wrote:There is free speech and there is defamation.
If someone make bold statement like this he/she should understand the consequences.
She should be happy that there is no legal action against her.
Media can present facts and comment on them but has no right to hang labels on people.
This is up to audience how to perceive the information provided by media and make their own judgement.
If some media organization is biased it is not news provider but rather propaganda.
What political propaganda has to do with sports?Why wasn't Trump fired from the Apprentice when he called Obama a racist? Why wasn't there any legal action against him for calling the then president a racist? Trump is a hypocrite!
Are Trump actions or anyone for that matter is excusing any news professional from being unprofessional and unethical.
If someone commuted a crime does it mean that someone else also can do same?
Everyone is the same in the face of the law and in the face of professional and human responsibility.
The point he was making is how can Trump call for someone to be fired when he himself called the prior president a racist.
nixluva wrote:So Schilling had repeated incidents of this kinda stuff? This is the first I've heard of Hill in any controversy like this.reub wrote:If ESPN were consistent in their policies she would have been gone already.
ESPN was consistent. Schilling for example had made comments that ESPN did not approve of and he was suspended and warned. He then went on to post more sensitive things on Social Media and THEN they fired him.Schilling, who had worked for the network since 2010 and most recently offered analysis on “Monday Night Baseball,” was dismissed after sharing a Facebook post this week that appeared to respond to the North Carolina law that bars transgender people from using bathrooms and locker rooms that do not correspond with their birth genders.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/sport...The post showed an overweight man wearing a wig and women’s clothing with parts of the T-shirt cut out to expose his breasts. It says: “LET HIM IN! to the restroom with your daughter or else you’re a narrow-minded, judgmental, unloving racist bigot who needs to die.”
To that, Schilling added: “A man is a man no matter what they call themselves. I don’t care what they are, who they sleep with, men’s room was designed for the penis, women’s not so much. Now you need laws telling us differently? Pathetic.”
It was the latest in a number of commentaries by Schilling on social media that have drawn controversy. He was suspended for a month after he posted a comment on Twitter in August that compared radical Muslims to Nazis.
arkrud wrote:No but some are kinda insinuating that a TV sports personality should be held to a high standard than our president. Let that sink in.Uptown wrote:arkrud wrote:There is free speech and there is defamation.
If someone make bold statement like this he/she should understand the consequences.
She should be happy that there is no legal action against her.
Media can present facts and comment on them but has no right to hang labels on people.
This is up to audience how to perceive the information provided by media and make their own judgement.
If some media organization is biased it is not news provider but rather propaganda.
What political propaganda has to do with sports?Why wasn't Trump fired from the Apprentice when he called Obama a racist? Why wasn't there any legal action against him for calling the then president a racist? Trump is a hypocrite!
Are Trump actions or anyone for that matter is excusing any news professional from being unprofessional and unethical.
If someone commuted a crime does it mean that someone else also can do same?
Everyone is the same in the face of the law and in the face of professional and human responsibility.
Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:So Schilling had repeated incidents of this kinda stuff? This is the first I've heard of Hill in any controversy like this.reub wrote:If ESPN were consistent in their policies she would have been gone already.
ESPN was consistent. Schilling for example had made comments that ESPN did not approve of and he was suspended and warned. He then went on to post more sensitive things on Social Media and THEN they fired him.Schilling, who had worked for the network since 2010 and most recently offered analysis on “Monday Night Baseball,” was dismissed after sharing a Facebook post this week that appeared to respond to the North Carolina law that bars transgender people from using bathrooms and locker rooms that do not correspond with their birth genders.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/sport...The post showed an overweight man wearing a wig and women’s clothing with parts of the T-shirt cut out to expose his breasts. It says: “LET HIM IN! to the restroom with your daughter or else you’re a narrow-minded, judgmental, unloving racist bigot who needs to die.”
To that, Schilling added: “A man is a man no matter what they call themselves. I don’t care what they are, who they sleep with, men’s room was designed for the penis, women’s not so much. Now you need laws telling us differently? Pathetic.”
It was the latest in a number of commentaries by Schilling on social media that have drawn controversy. He was suspended for a month after he posted a comment on Twitter in August that compared radical Muslims to Nazis.
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knicks1248 wrote:For arguing with a fan on tweeter and calling trump a white supremacist, bigot, racist, who surrounds himself with those types, and is consider to be the most ignorant president (as far as politics) the country ever had.
Everything ESPN does, including it's talking heads, is heavily scripted.
ESPN is owned by the Big Mouse. Disney is run by Robert Iger, who has/had some bad blood with POTUS.
Hill is just a stalking horse here. A mouthpiece for effect. I doubt she will get fired.
Does anyone remember when MTV stopped showing music videos for a while? Their segment "Behind The Music" IIRC, got so popular, listing all the back drop and drama and infighting amongst professional bands and musicians, that they just ran with what was generating ratings and money.
Hill, like most at ESPN, is not really a sports journalist, she's in "sports entertainment" Her job is to fabricate ratings and interest to cover up the fact that there is not enough legit NBA and sports news to cover the 24/7/365 spin cycle required to fill all that air time, blogs, podcasts, etc.
If people are talking about her, then she's done her job.
Skip Bayless was once a prize winning sports journalist. But there's no money in that compared to being a shock jock. Stephen A Smith is a caricature. Chris Broussard called someone a "cornball brother" to get controversy. Bayless called Chris Bosh as "Christina Bosh" for ratings.
ESPN isn't really sports journalism. Does anyone remember The Sporting News? It tried to stick to legit sports journalism and it died. It can't compete against the ESPN "sports soap opera" at work.
ESPN is only responding to what sells. Sophisticated sports journalism has a place ( i.e. something like Grantland) but it simply cannot compete with the lowest common denominator in the sports world.
TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:For arguing with a fan on tweeter and calling trump a white supremacist, bigot, racist, who surrounds himself with those types, and is consider to be the most ignorant president (as far as politics) the country ever had.Everything ESPN does, including it's talking heads, is heavily scripted.
ESPN is owned by the Big Mouse. Disney is run by Robert Iger, who has/had some bad blood with POTUS.
Hill is just a stalking horse here. A mouthpiece for effect. I doubt she will get fired.
Does anyone remember when MTV stopped showing music videos for a while? Their segment "Behind The Music" IIRC, got so popular, listing all the back drop and drama and infighting amongst professional bands and musicians, that they just ran with what was generating ratings and money.
Hill, like most at ESPN, is not really a sports journalist, she's in "sports entertainment" Her job is to fabricate ratings and interest to cover up the fact that there is not enough legit NBA and sports news to cover the 24/7/365 spin cycle required to fill all that air time, blogs, podcasts, etc.
If people are talking about her, then she's done her job.
Skip Bayless was once a prize winning sports journalist. But there's no money in that compared to being a shock jock. Stephen A Smith is a caricature. Chris Broussard called someone a "cornball brother" to get controversy. Bayless called Chris Bosh as "Christina Bosh" for ratings.
ESPN isn't really sports journalism. Does anyone remember The Sporting News? It tried to stick to legit sports journalism and it died. It can't compete against the ESPN "sports soap opera" at work.
ESPN is only responding to what sells. Sophisticated sports journalism has a place ( i.e. something like Grantland) but it simply cannot compete with the lowest common denominator in the sports world.
I THink you got a little to extra with it. Hill posted the comments on her personal twitter account, and she in no way indicated any politics on her ESPN show "HIS & HERS". The only reason this came to light his because who she works for. We have heard those same comments publicly from about a half million people.
During the EMMYS, several winners took indirect shots at trump. They didn't say names, but they didn't have to, the crowd knew exactly who they were referring to, and applauded pretty damn loudly.
But, she is still a public personality and is judged by her views.
The sexual predators at Fox were fired when it became apparent their actions would cause the loss of sponsers. They bailed.
Hill will be judged at ESPN for her ratings. IF they fall, her show is toast. If her personal views were the cause, so be it.
Is that right? Of course not. ESPN put her on the air not because she is black, not because she is pretty, but because they felt she could produce.
Not any different than any other network.
As for the hypocrisy of Trump, the man is a walking paradox.
Nalod wrote:Yes, Hill did not do it on ESPN platform.
But, she is still a public personality and is judged by her views.
The sexual predators at Fox were fired when it became apparent their actions would cause the loss of sponsers. They bailed.Hill will be judged at ESPN for her ratings. IF they fall, her show is toast. If her personal views were the cause, so be it.
Is that right? Of course not. ESPN put her on the air not because she is black, not because she is pretty, but because they felt she could produce.
Not any different than any other network.
As for the hypocrisy of Trump, the man is a walking paradox.
This has already been lost in the whirlwind of the 24/7 news cycle. Hurricanes, NBA players with fake Twitter accounts etc. The wolves have already moved on. I agree with you about ratings, but honestly-and be honest-how many of the people upset with her comments watched her show in the first place.
Bottom line... ESPN is an entertainment company. They are not real new source. Its a business call. Bottom line.