Off Topic · OT - Trump & Russia (page 18)
meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:TheGame wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:He is bailing out farmers due to his tariffs on China, golfs at his own golf clubs every weekend but can't give a f u c k in 2.1% pay raise.Why we would want to increase the hidden welfare called government jobs?
The biggest waste of our taxes. Most of them can be privatized or eliminated by automation.
And we can use taxes to improve infrastructure, education, and run innovative programs to create wealth instead of wasting money on bunch of useless people to move papers around.
At least we will save more trees.WTF??? How about some examples of govt. Jobs that can be eliminated by automation. Do you even understand why we have a government? And no the answer is not "wealth creation".🤬🤬
We need government to protect country, law, and order, collect taxes and support citizens not able to work due to age, health, and mental reasons.
It also should be used to coordinate infrastructure project performed by private contractors, finance fundamental science, space exploration, and other strategic projects , cultural and art initiatives, which cannot bring immediate profits and so will not be taken on by private business. This about it. And many of this activities can be also outsourced to private companies and consultants.
The operation of almost all government agencies are extremely inefficient. Multiple projects are going on now to automate operations in most of this agencies.
It is painful business as very little support provided by government employees who afraid to lose their jobs and benefits. But it is inevitable.
We need much less and much more qualified workers and new technologies (specifically IT) instead of bunch of low paid high benefits army of clerks.
US only has 15% of workplace employed by government (much better that Russia - 40%). But I think we can do even better.Privatization is not always a good thing, and the reason we have many government jobs is due to their nature, they are best performed by neutral government employees. While we can always improve efficiencies, to just make a blanket statement that we have to eliminate federal jobs, is just reckless Trumpism. And none of this explains why these employees cannot get their cost of living adjustment but I can explain it.
Trump is running up a $800 billion dollar deficit this year, they cut tax revenue last year, and he is now giving $20 billion to farmers due to his tariffs. Easiest people to take money from are these federal employees by denying cost of living adjustment. He does not have to go through congress and problably more than half of those people did not vote for him, which makes them perfect targets in Trump's mind.
The premise that Private Organizations are somehow efficient is so fukking ridiculous that when people talk about government being inefficent it just serves as misdirection. Don't fall for it. I have worked in private organizations all my life they would make the govt. of Venezuela look like a well oiled machine. And this utter rubbish about government agencies needing to generate profit is also deflection oif the core issues, which is Republicans don't want Government to protect civili liberties and basic human rights. Government's job is not to be profitable that should not EVER be a criteria for measuring its success. Years of Right Wing horseshit has turned the conversation into this rat hole and it's based on premise that doesn't get challenged. Private Organizations are absoluitely inefficient and they survive by fudging the numbers and making themselves look good. Anyone who has worked in a Fortune 500 company knows this. The neoliberal propaganda wants you to think companies should be run with each person doing 5 jobs and receiving half the pay for any one of those 5, with zero legal recourse. This is how they define efficiency.
Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
It is necessary evil which getting more evil if society is stagnated and declined.
Government is not protecting the liberty, Constitution and laws are.
As far as productivity the numbers are almost twice worth in government sector comparing to private companies with publicly traded companies productivity somewhere in the middle.
Why in the world government will hire workers to do anything that can be done by corporations and professional who specialize in this work is beyond my understanding.
Government workers should be proficient is controlling the law enforcement in all areas of life and that's about it.
My political view is not Republican but rather Technocratic Libertarian.Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
If anyone needed further evidence of how clueless you are, it's right there. For future reference, Govt. is not a branch of "Power". Senate and House together make up the "Legislative" branch of "Government".
It's their job to create and manage the laws, so yes they ARE protecting or abusing liberty of the people by their actions.
And policymaking is NOT a GAME. People's lives actually depend on it.Once you get up to speed on even the most basic functions of government try and reconsider your increasingly idiotic positions through that lens.
Thank You for the correction.
I was equating Government to just executive branch as most government workers are from this area.
The Legislative is pretty small as it is; so the Courts.
People are holding the power and making the law as well as controlling it.
If people allow Senate, House, and Courts to abuse them it is the problem of the people.
And you again attempting to switch the discussion to my persona not to the subject.
This what typical corrupt politicians usually do.
This is what any conversation about Trump is coming to. Some group of people personally hating him.
He can do good things, or bad things. Does not mater - Trump Derangement Syndrome.... 
arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:TheGame wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:He is bailing out farmers due to his tariffs on China, golfs at his own golf clubs every weekend but can't give a f u c k in 2.1% pay raise.Why we would want to increase the hidden welfare called government jobs?
The biggest waste of our taxes. Most of them can be privatized or eliminated by automation.
And we can use taxes to improve infrastructure, education, and run innovative programs to create wealth instead of wasting money on bunch of useless people to move papers around.
At least we will save more trees.WTF??? How about some examples of govt. Jobs that can be eliminated by automation. Do you even understand why we have a government? And no the answer is not "wealth creation".🤬🤬
We need government to protect country, law, and order, collect taxes and support citizens not able to work due to age, health, and mental reasons.
It also should be used to coordinate infrastructure project performed by private contractors, finance fundamental science, space exploration, and other strategic projects , cultural and art initiatives, which cannot bring immediate profits and so will not be taken on by private business. This about it. And many of this activities can be also outsourced to private companies and consultants.
The operation of almost all government agencies are extremely inefficient. Multiple projects are going on now to automate operations in most of this agencies.
It is painful business as very little support provided by government employees who afraid to lose their jobs and benefits. But it is inevitable.
We need much less and much more qualified workers and new technologies (specifically IT) instead of bunch of low paid high benefits army of clerks.
US only has 15% of workplace employed by government (much better that Russia - 40%). But I think we can do even better.Privatization is not always a good thing, and the reason we have many government jobs is due to their nature, they are best performed by neutral government employees. While we can always improve efficiencies, to just make a blanket statement that we have to eliminate federal jobs, is just reckless Trumpism. And none of this explains why these employees cannot get their cost of living adjustment but I can explain it.
Trump is running up a $800 billion dollar deficit this year, they cut tax revenue last year, and he is now giving $20 billion to farmers due to his tariffs. Easiest people to take money from are these federal employees by denying cost of living adjustment. He does not have to go through congress and problably more than half of those people did not vote for him, which makes them perfect targets in Trump's mind.
The premise that Private Organizations are somehow efficient is so fukking ridiculous that when people talk about government being inefficent it just serves as misdirection. Don't fall for it. I have worked in private organizations all my life they would make the govt. of Venezuela look like a well oiled machine. And this utter rubbish about government agencies needing to generate profit is also deflection oif the core issues, which is Republicans don't want Government to protect civili liberties and basic human rights. Government's job is not to be profitable that should not EVER be a criteria for measuring its success. Years of Right Wing horseshit has turned the conversation into this rat hole and it's based on premise that doesn't get challenged. Private Organizations are absoluitely inefficient and they survive by fudging the numbers and making themselves look good. Anyone who has worked in a Fortune 500 company knows this. The neoliberal propaganda wants you to think companies should be run with each person doing 5 jobs and receiving half the pay for any one of those 5, with zero legal recourse. This is how they define efficiency.
Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
It is necessary evil which getting more evil if society is stagnated and declined.
Government is not protecting the liberty, Constitution and laws are.
As far as productivity the numbers are almost twice worth in government sector comparing to private companies with publicly traded companies productivity somewhere in the middle.
Why in the world government will hire workers to do anything that can be done by corporations and professional who specialize in this work is beyond my understanding.
Government workers should be proficient is controlling the law enforcement in all areas of life and that's about it.
My political view is not Republican but rather Technocratic Libertarian.Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
If anyone needed further evidence of how clueless you are, it's right there. For future reference, Govt. is not a branch of "Power". Senate and House together make up the "Legislative" branch of "Government".
It's their job to create and manage the laws, so yes they ARE protecting or abusing liberty of the people by their actions.
And policymaking is NOT a GAME. People's lives actually depend on it.Once you get up to speed on even the most basic functions of government try and reconsider your increasingly idiotic positions through that lens.
Thank You for the correction.
I was equating Government to just executive branch as most government workers are from this area.
The Legislative is pretty small as it is; so the Courts.
People are holding the power and making the law as well as controlling it.
If people allow Senate, House, and Courts to abuse them it is the problem of the people.
And you again attempting to switch the discussion to my persona not to the subject.
This what typical corrupt politicians usually do.
This is what any conversation about Trump is coming to. Some group of people personally hating him.
He can do good things, or bad things. Does not mater - Trump Derangement Syndrome....
I am actually being very patient with you. The reason wr can't discuss the subject is because you don't actually know anything about it. Again on this post you said: The legislative branch is small because it's the courts. This is AFTER I explained what the legislative branch is. Your level of ignorance makes it impossible to have a discussion with you, because your positions are formed on a framework of bad guesses, shallow understanding, right wing propaganda and imaginary crimes against the wealthy.
Again courts are NOT part of the legislative branch. They make up the JUDICIARY branch of Govt.
You can't discuss Govt with someone who doesn't understand even the basic structure or purpose of Govt. Trying to characterize me as
a corrupt politician is beyond lame.
meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:TheGame wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:He is bailing out farmers due to his tariffs on China, golfs at his own golf clubs every weekend but can't give a f u c k in 2.1% pay raise.Why we would want to increase the hidden welfare called government jobs?
The biggest waste of our taxes. Most of them can be privatized or eliminated by automation.
And we can use taxes to improve infrastructure, education, and run innovative programs to create wealth instead of wasting money on bunch of useless people to move papers around.
At least we will save more trees.WTF??? How about some examples of govt. Jobs that can be eliminated by automation. Do you even understand why we have a government? And no the answer is not "wealth creation".🤬🤬
We need government to protect country, law, and order, collect taxes and support citizens not able to work due to age, health, and mental reasons.
It also should be used to coordinate infrastructure project performed by private contractors, finance fundamental science, space exploration, and other strategic projects , cultural and art initiatives, which cannot bring immediate profits and so will not be taken on by private business. This about it. And many of this activities can be also outsourced to private companies and consultants.
The operation of almost all government agencies are extremely inefficient. Multiple projects are going on now to automate operations in most of this agencies.
It is painful business as very little support provided by government employees who afraid to lose their jobs and benefits. But it is inevitable.
We need much less and much more qualified workers and new technologies (specifically IT) instead of bunch of low paid high benefits army of clerks.
US only has 15% of workplace employed by government (much better that Russia - 40%). But I think we can do even better.Privatization is not always a good thing, and the reason we have many government jobs is due to their nature, they are best performed by neutral government employees. While we can always improve efficiencies, to just make a blanket statement that we have to eliminate federal jobs, is just reckless Trumpism. And none of this explains why these employees cannot get their cost of living adjustment but I can explain it.
Trump is running up a $800 billion dollar deficit this year, they cut tax revenue last year, and he is now giving $20 billion to farmers due to his tariffs. Easiest people to take money from are these federal employees by denying cost of living adjustment. He does not have to go through congress and problably more than half of those people did not vote for him, which makes them perfect targets in Trump's mind.
The premise that Private Organizations are somehow efficient is so fukking ridiculous that when people talk about government being inefficent it just serves as misdirection. Don't fall for it. I have worked in private organizations all my life they would make the govt. of Venezuela look like a well oiled machine. And this utter rubbish about government agencies needing to generate profit is also deflection oif the core issues, which is Republicans don't want Government to protect civili liberties and basic human rights. Government's job is not to be profitable that should not EVER be a criteria for measuring its success. Years of Right Wing horseshit has turned the conversation into this rat hole and it's based on premise that doesn't get challenged. Private Organizations are absoluitely inefficient and they survive by fudging the numbers and making themselves look good. Anyone who has worked in a Fortune 500 company knows this. The neoliberal propaganda wants you to think companies should be run with each person doing 5 jobs and receiving half the pay for any one of those 5, with zero legal recourse. This is how they define efficiency.
Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
It is necessary evil which getting more evil if society is stagnated and declined.
Government is not protecting the liberty, Constitution and laws are.
As far as productivity the numbers are almost twice worth in government sector comparing to private companies with publicly traded companies productivity somewhere in the middle.
Why in the world government will hire workers to do anything that can be done by corporations and professional who specialize in this work is beyond my understanding.
Government workers should be proficient is controlling the law enforcement in all areas of life and that's about it.
My political view is not Republican but rather Technocratic Libertarian.Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
If anyone needed further evidence of how clueless you are, it's right there. For future reference, Govt. is not a branch of "Power". Senate and House together make up the "Legislative" branch of "Government".
It's their job to create and manage the laws, so yes they ARE protecting or abusing liberty of the people by their actions.
And policymaking is NOT a GAME. People's lives actually depend on it.Once you get up to speed on even the most basic functions of government try and reconsider your increasingly idiotic positions through that lens.
Thank You for the correction.
I was equating Government to just executive branch as most government workers are from this area.
The Legislative is pretty small as it is; so the Courts.
People are holding the power and making the law as well as controlling it.
If people allow Senate, House, and Courts to abuse them it is the problem of the people.
And you again attempting to switch the discussion to my persona not to the subject.
This what typical corrupt politicians usually do.
This is what any conversation about Trump is coming to. Some group of people personally hating him.
He can do good things, or bad things. Does not mater - Trump Derangement Syndrome....I am actually being very patient with you. The reason wr can't discuss the subject is because you don't actually know anything about it. Again on this post you said: The legislative branch is small because it's the courts. This is AFTER I explained what the legislative branch is. Your level of ignorance makes it impossible to have a discussion with you, because your positions are formed on a framework of bad guesses, shallow understanding, right wing propaganda and imaginary crimes against the wealthy.
Again courts are NOT part of the legislative branch. They make up the JUDICIARY branch of Govt.
You can't discuss Govt with someone who doesn't understand even the basic structure or purpose of Govt. Trying to characterize me as
a corrupt politician is beyond lame.
I am not sure why you so interested to discuss me... instead of discussing the subject.
Your ability to deflect the opinions and facts which are not fit in your illusion of reality is unmatched.
In any case the real world has nothing to do with the illusions we all have in our minds.
And you believe that you can affect the reality is another illusion.
All we can affect is how we see the world not how it is.
So have a nice dreaming as soon as it makes you happy.
Piece and let the power be with you...
arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:TheGame wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:He is bailing out farmers due to his tariffs on China, golfs at his own golf clubs every weekend but can't give a f u c k in 2.1% pay raise.Why we would want to increase the hidden welfare called government jobs?
The biggest waste of our taxes. Most of them can be privatized or eliminated by automation.
And we can use taxes to improve infrastructure, education, and run innovative programs to create wealth instead of wasting money on bunch of useless people to move papers around.
At least we will save more trees.WTF??? How about some examples of govt. Jobs that can be eliminated by automation. Do you even understand why we have a government? And no the answer is not "wealth creation".🤬🤬
We need government to protect country, law, and order, collect taxes and support citizens not able to work due to age, health, and mental reasons.
It also should be used to coordinate infrastructure project performed by private contractors, finance fundamental science, space exploration, and other strategic projects , cultural and art initiatives, which cannot bring immediate profits and so will not be taken on by private business. This about it. And many of this activities can be also outsourced to private companies and consultants.
The operation of almost all government agencies are extremely inefficient. Multiple projects are going on now to automate operations in most of this agencies.
It is painful business as very little support provided by government employees who afraid to lose their jobs and benefits. But it is inevitable.
We need much less and much more qualified workers and new technologies (specifically IT) instead of bunch of low paid high benefits army of clerks.
US only has 15% of workplace employed by government (much better that Russia - 40%). But I think we can do even better.Privatization is not always a good thing, and the reason we have many government jobs is due to their nature, they are best performed by neutral government employees. While we can always improve efficiencies, to just make a blanket statement that we have to eliminate federal jobs, is just reckless Trumpism. And none of this explains why these employees cannot get their cost of living adjustment but I can explain it.
Trump is running up a $800 billion dollar deficit this year, they cut tax revenue last year, and he is now giving $20 billion to farmers due to his tariffs. Easiest people to take money from are these federal employees by denying cost of living adjustment. He does not have to go through congress and problably more than half of those people did not vote for him, which makes them perfect targets in Trump's mind.
The premise that Private Organizations are somehow efficient is so fukking ridiculous that when people talk about government being inefficent it just serves as misdirection. Don't fall for it. I have worked in private organizations all my life they would make the govt. of Venezuela look like a well oiled machine. And this utter rubbish about government agencies needing to generate profit is also deflection oif the core issues, which is Republicans don't want Government to protect civili liberties and basic human rights. Government's job is not to be profitable that should not EVER be a criteria for measuring its success. Years of Right Wing horseshit has turned the conversation into this rat hole and it's based on premise that doesn't get challenged. Private Organizations are absoluitely inefficient and they survive by fudging the numbers and making themselves look good. Anyone who has worked in a Fortune 500 company knows this. The neoliberal propaganda wants you to think companies should be run with each person doing 5 jobs and receiving half the pay for any one of those 5, with zero legal recourse. This is how they define efficiency.
Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
It is necessary evil which getting more evil if society is stagnated and declined.
Government is not protecting the liberty, Constitution and laws are.
As far as productivity the numbers are almost twice worth in government sector comparing to private companies with publicly traded companies productivity somewhere in the middle.
Why in the world government will hire workers to do anything that can be done by corporations and professional who specialize in this work is beyond my understanding.
Government workers should be proficient is controlling the law enforcement in all areas of life and that's about it.
My political view is not Republican but rather Technocratic Libertarian.Government is executive branch of power.
Its efficiency should be in executing the law and protecting the rules of the game.
If anyone needed further evidence of how clueless you are, it's right there. For future reference, Govt. is not a branch of "Power". Senate and House together make up the "Legislative" branch of "Government".
It's their job to create and manage the laws, so yes they ARE protecting or abusing liberty of the people by their actions.
And policymaking is NOT a GAME. People's lives actually depend on it.Once you get up to speed on even the most basic functions of government try and reconsider your increasingly idiotic positions through that lens.
Thank You for the correction.
I was equating Government to just executive branch as most government workers are from this area.
The Legislative is pretty small as it is; so the Courts.
People are holding the power and making the law as well as controlling it.
If people allow Senate, House, and Courts to abuse them it is the problem of the people.
And you again attempting to switch the discussion to my persona not to the subject.
This what typical corrupt politicians usually do.
This is what any conversation about Trump is coming to. Some group of people personally hating him.
He can do good things, or bad things. Does not mater - Trump Derangement Syndrome....I am actually being very patient with you. The reason wr can't discuss the subject is because you don't actually know anything about it. Again on this post you said: The legislative branch is small because it's the courts. This is AFTER I explained what the legislative branch is. Your level of ignorance makes it impossible to have a discussion with you, because your positions are formed on a framework of bad guesses, shallow understanding, right wing propaganda and imaginary crimes against the wealthy.
Again courts are NOT part of the legislative branch. They make up the JUDICIARY branch of Govt.
You can't discuss Govt with someone who doesn't understand even the basic structure or purpose of Govt. Trying to characterize me as
a corrupt politician is beyond lame.I am not sure why you so interested to discuss me... instead of discussing the subject.
Your ability to deflect the opinions and facts which are not fit in your illusion of reality is unmatched.
In any case the real world has nothing to do with the illusions we all have in our minds.
And you believe that you can affect the reality is another illusion.
All we can affect is how we see the world not how it is.
So have a nice dreaming as soon as it makes you happy.
Piece and let the power be with you...
Actually I have no interest in discussing you, I am just trying to explain why I can't discuss the subject with you. Because you don't actually provide facts as you call them. I don't need to deflect anything because you haven't articulated an actual position. Basically any conversation with you is a nonstarter.