Knicks · knicks interested in trading for charlotte hornets guard malik monk per ian begley (page 2)
DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.
I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
houston20 wrote:You know malik monk has 14 games of scoring over 10 points this season , you guys know how many game franks and dsj have scoring 10 pts or more combine 11, 7 for frank and 4 for dsj not good. Malik monk is third point guard in charlotte because DEVONTE' Graham and terry rosier are having career season both are averaging close to 18 points game. Devonte graham is averaging 18.6 points and 7.7 assists and terry rosier is averaging 17.9 points and 4.4 assist. Its very hard for monk to get off bench because charlotte backcourt is having a career year. Malik Monk is averaging 8.4 points, 2 assists, and 2.6 rebound on 42 percent shooting and 25 percent from three. While frank is averaging 6 points, 3.1 assists, 2.2 rebounds, on 37 percent and 31 percent from three. Dsj is averaging 5 points, 2.6 assists, and 2.2 rebounds on 32 percent and 29 percent from three. Malik Monk is better then frank and dsj despite being the third point guard on the charlotte hornets roster.
They don't let Malik handle the offense. I'd argue that Malik isn't better than Frank because he doesn't do ANYTHING at an NBA level. His shooting #s aren't much better than Franks and that's supposed to be his strength. The real comparison would be Trier vs Monk and I would still take Trier. Now, Monk is still young and I wouldn't cry if we traded for him, but only for a second round pick.
fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.
houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.
being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.
houston20 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.
Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard
Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D
Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who shit on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo shit on KK because he's not KD etc.
take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)
of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors
1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
houston20 wrote:Some within the Knicks organization see Malik Monk as a potential trade target.
https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1220202182240358402
A bum guard what a shock we want him. Scott Perry is the worst talent evaulator in the league. Does he just pick the worst shooters at guard in the league out of a hat
EnySpree wrote:1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
May be a pointless lateral move - likely a DSJ trade that works and is technically possible with both teams simply unloading an underperforming asset.
Either *could* [its a long shot in both cases] blossom elsewhere. I would rather DSJ's spot open up for a 3 point shooter from the G-League or overseas.
smackeddog wrote:We seem to love players who aren't good at anything
Sambakick wrote:DSJ for Monk? Sure. Why not. Change of scenery etc etc
I'm not sure I'd do that. We offer a second, just one, or maybe Ellington and tell them to take it or leave it. I'd rather try and get DSJ's game together here and up his value.
EnySpree wrote:1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
One thing to remember is that his first 2 offseason in the league he was injured so couldn't work on his game, maybe there's some untapped potential in there, but you'd need an elite player development system in place- we don't have anything like one!
smackeddog wrote:EnySpree wrote:1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
One thing to remember is that his first 2 offseason in the league he was injured so couldn't work on his game, maybe there's some untapped potential in there, but you'd need an elite player development system in place- we don't have anything like one!
so nice highlight video - but did I miss it, or were all of his buckets basically in the paint or ft line?
I would swap DSjr for him because I don't see him working out.
But I like Dotson better if were looking to develop a SG, especially if it's a backup because that is where you have RJ slotted in.
Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.
Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard
Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D
Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who shit on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo shit on KK because he's not KD etc.
take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)
of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors
Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.
Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.
Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.
He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play
That's why the development of our players is trash
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.
Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard
Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D
Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who shit on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo shit on KK because he's not KD etc.
take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)
of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors
Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.
Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.
Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.
He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play
He does not play losing basketball. Fairly consistently, the team plays better with him on the floor even if his stats suck
He's a keeper and a contributor along with a good attitude. We need more talent.
I think trades to free up the logjam at PF and/or PG might help the team, but we don't need moonshots hoping that someone like Monk will turn it all around once here (See Hezonja, Vonleh etc)
I wouldn’t give up Smith just yet. He looked athletic again against the Lakers. They need to move Payton and get the kid minutes. I don’t like his game, but we need to create some value.
franco12 wrote:smackeddog wrote:EnySpree wrote:1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
One thing to remember is that his first 2 offseason in the league he was injured so couldn't work on his game, maybe there's some untapped potential in there, but you'd need an elite player development system in place- we don't have anything like one!
so nice highlight video - but did I miss it, or were all of his buckets basically in the paint or ft line?
I would swap DSjr for him because I don't see him working out.
But I like Dotson better if were looking to develop a SG, especially if it's a backup because that is where you have RJ slotted in.
No, you didn't miss anything. He's not a good shooter. I checked out Hornets Reddit and someone mentioned he was a rhythm shooter. But in order to be given the freedom to launch, you need to hit shots. We have a couple of guards in the G-League I'd like to try out. Plus, I don't think this guy is better than Trier. I won't give this guy a hard pass, but there are probably other undervalued
guys out there who fit better.