Knicks · knicks interested in trading for charlotte hornets guard malik monk per ian begley (page 3)
franco12 wrote:smackeddog wrote:EnySpree wrote:1/20/2020
He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team
One thing to remember is that his first 2 offseason in the league he was injured so couldn't work on his game, maybe there's some untapped potential in there, but you'd need an elite player development system in place- we don't have anything like one!
so nice highlight video - but did I miss it, or were all of his buckets basically in the paint or ft line?
I would swap DSjr for him because I don't see him working out.
But I like Dotson better if were looking to develop a SG, especially if it's a backup because that is where you have RJ slotted in.
No, you didn't miss anything. He's not a good shooter. I checked out Hornets Reddit and someone mentioned he was a rhythm shooter. But in order to be given the freedom to launch, you need to hit shots. We have a couple of guards in the G-League I'd like to try out. Plus, I don't think this guy is better than Trier. I won't give this guy a hard pass, but there are probably other undervalued
guys out there who fit better.
Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:Chandler wrote:houston20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offensethis is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily
Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up
Having said all of that, Monk?
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out
The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot
But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.
Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard
Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D
Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who shit on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo shit on KK because he's not KD etc.
take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)
of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors
Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.
Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.
Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.
He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play
He does not play losing basketball. Fairly consistently, the team plays better with him on the floor even if his stats suck
He's a keeper and a contributor along with a good attitude. We need more talent.
Frank is not excluded form the losing culture, none of the players are
And how can you say we need more talent in the same sentence as franks a keeper.
That would suggest he's one of the best players in the league at this position.
I would think (as a knick fan)you would be more interested in upgrading the position right?
Utah would not trade DSjr, Frank and Monk for Mitchell! What a draft!
Trier a victim of bad development or is he to blame for his lack of progress? Knicks bought him in, gave him the opportunity to demonstrate his NBA offense ability, gave him a 2 year deal. What is it about the coaching that failed him? Or did he fail to respond?
Mudiay changed his trajectory here. Why didn't we keep him? Good questions. He is on a better team so he naturally will look better. I think we did a very good job with him. He took it even one step further to earn his opportunity on UTAH.
Mitch? A second rounder and raw. A season and a Half he is really developing fantastic given his rawness.
Dennis? Awful. Seems everything is going wrong. He'll have another chance.
Frank Vs Marcus Smart. Smart come in the league at age 20. At 18 he'd likely have looked worse than Frank.
Defending Frank:
Frank was not really physically ready for the NBA. Can't blame him for coming and drafted top ten. Did knicks know they'd have to be patient with him?
Fans don't understand patience. Its never been asked of NY. I suppose we can blame Knicks for drafting him but he was a compelling prospect. At age 21, he still is.
That mean we give up on him? Some fans think so.
If we suck in the present tense of development then its now season three with Mills and the Princeton Cabal. If frustrated take on another 20 years if you must.
CrushAlot wrote:What’s Josh Jackson doing?
Heating up the Gleague and still missing meetings
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball
houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball
Not to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.
BigDaddyG wrote:houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketballNot to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.
I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.
blkexec wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketballNot to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.
I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.
Frank and dsj ain't showing lot lately both guys looked checked out.
houston20 wrote:blkexec wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketballNot to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.
I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.
Frank and dsj ain't showing lot lately both guys looked checked out.
Frank shoots like crap but you aren’t paying attention if you think he’s checked out
martin wrote:houston20 wrote:blkexec wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketballNot to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.
I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.
Frank and dsj ain't showing lot lately both guys looked checked out.
Frank shoots like crap but you aren’t paying attention if you think he’s checked out
let me change my words both frank and dsj look like bust.
meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOL
Scott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.
smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.
Fans need to believe in team becoming great overnight... after some count of scapegoats are fired...
Otherwise alcoholism and drags may kill them. So let them believe.
GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Why was he a target if these are the moves made by the organization he worked for? Don't teams target top AGM from other teams? What made Perry a good hire? I mean the Nets hired Marks from the Spurs "Makes Sense" we hired a bum from the Magic.
arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.
Fans need to believe in team becoming great overnight... after some count of scapegoats are fired...
Otherwise alcoholism and drags may kill them. So let them believe.
LOL. Oh yeah, you have it all figured out.
Overnight success and scapegoats. Great call.
Nothing to do with the fact that if you paid an ounce of attention to the team building Perry has done in his career both here and on other franchises that his TYPE of player and his way of building a team are not conducive to winning basketball.
But sure, let's blame it on impatient fans who want a scapegoat.
JamesKPolk wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.
Fans need to believe in team becoming great overnight... after some count of scapegoats are fired...
Otherwise alcoholism and drags may kill them. So let them believe.LOL. Oh yeah, you have it all figured out.
Overnight success and scapegoats. Great call.
Nothing to do with the fact that if you paid an ounce of attention to the team building Perry has done in his career both here and on other franchises that his TYPE of player and his way of building a team are not conducive to winning basketball.
But sure, let's blame it on impatient fans who want a scapegoat.
As Russian saying goes "You do not show half-made job to the fool"...
Of course if its all on display anyways the is no cure...
Jmpasq wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Why was he a target if these are the moves made by the organization he worked for? Don't teams target top AGM from other teams? What made Perry a good hire? I mean the Nets hired Marks from the Spurs "Makes Sense" we hired a bum from the Magic.
Perry was with the Kings. The Knicks gave up a second round pick to get him. He was considered a good hire but also was willing to take the position and allow Mills to become president. The big name guys wanted control. Mills wanted that job.
arkrud wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Jmpasq wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOLScott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing
Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy
June 26, 2014
Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.
July 14, 2015
Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)
February 16, 2016
Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.
June 23, 2016
Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.
One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.
Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.
Fans need to believe in team becoming great overnight... after some count of scapegoats are fired...
Otherwise alcoholism and drags may kill them. So let them believe.LOL. Oh yeah, you have it all figured out.
Overnight success and scapegoats. Great call.
Nothing to do with the fact that if you paid an ounce of attention to the team building Perry has done in his career both here and on other franchises that his TYPE of player and his way of building a team are not conducive to winning basketball.
But sure, let's blame it on impatient fans who want a scapegoat.
As Russian saying goes "You do not show half-made job to the fool"...
Of course if its all on display anyways the is no cure...
It seems that your years of following Knicks basketball has impacted your basketball IQ and lowered your standards on what a quality executive and rebuild is.
You hate to see it.