There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants.
The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sambakick wrote:$15 mil for a pick?No we got a lot of production from Morris. (This isn't the Memphis/Igoudala situation) He was a good player. Players don't play for free. He won us some games. He earned that money.
We got a late 1st and an early 2nd for renting Morris out for a team to use him in the post-season. I am going to root for the Clips because of him at least in the Western Conference playoffs. He wasn't going to the playoffs here. He earned his $15 mil these first 50 games.
This. Breen was raving about Morris’s impact on the young players. Miller raved about his practice habits and how the young players copy his practice habits. Also, the guy they got from the Wiz sounds like a decent prospect.
That's exactly my point, they talk about development and continue to take steps back in that dept. Yeah it's cool to gain additional assets for future moves, but at the same time you stunt the growth of your young players by taking away that leadership, stability, winning culture, chemistry.
I look at like this, if your building a team and you have a star center and pg, but the rest of the roster sucks, trading away your star center to upgrade your SG is not the answer, you can't unplug one leak to fix another..and that's what we have been doing for the longest and that's why we are stuck in position and constantly changing everything..
You lose you change, i keep saying this and you keep seeing it.
no. What you dont understand, what you cant grasp is we dont have assets to plug those holes. That comes from drafting well. But... we are ALL used to you making stuff up and changing your narrative every 20 minutes.
what hole are we filling with the 27th pick in the draft? Will we find someone as good as Morris?
I'll wait for his answer
You do realize that Morris could have walked for nothing right? Look we understand that you don’t believe in draft picks/youth UNLESS we trade all them for veterans. The problem is we did that for over a decade with awful results. Accumulating as many assets as we can will help down the road when we do want to acquire certain players without giving up everything we have like we did so many times before. By the way we can easily resign Morris this summer in fact it wouldn’t surprise me
we have been trying the youth thing for over 6 yrs..and manage to have the worse record in the NBA doing it.
In the process everybody is getting fired, and no player is really getting better..
And stop exaggerating (about me not wanting youth, and trading all of our picks) to prove a point.
I never said that, that would be stupid, I always state a mix and a balance is the proper way to build.
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sambakick wrote:$15 mil for a pick?No we got a lot of production from Morris. (This isn't the Memphis/Igoudala situation) He was a good player. Players don't play for free. He won us some games. He earned that money.
We got a late 1st and an early 2nd for renting Morris out for a team to use him in the post-season. I am going to root for the Clips because of him at least in the Western Conference playoffs. He wasn't going to the playoffs here. He earned his $15 mil these first 50 games.
This. Breen was raving about Morris’s impact on the young players. Miller raved about his practice habits and how the young players copy his practice habits. Also, the guy they got from the Wiz sounds like a decent prospect.
That's exactly my point, they talk about development and continue to take steps back in that dept. Yeah it's cool to gain additional assets for future moves, but at the same time you stunt the growth of your young players by taking away that leadership, stability, winning culture, chemistry.
I look at like this, if your building a team and you have a star center and pg, but the rest of the roster sucks, trading away your star center to upgrade your SG is not the answer, you can't unplug one leak to fix another..and that's what we have been doing for the longest and that's why we are stuck in position and constantly changing everything..
You lose you change, i keep saying this and you keep seeing it.
no. What you dont understand, what you cant grasp is we dont have assets to plug those holes. That comes from drafting well. But... we are ALL used to you making stuff up and changing your narrative every 20 minutes.
what hole are we filling with the 27th pick in the draft? Will we find someone as good as Morris?
This is not a zero sum game though where you need to equate the 27th pick with Morris's production. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way.
You want his production back? We just have to offer him a contract, and then you get the addition of having a cost controlled contract.
Lots of fans were hot and heavy over Shamet.... who was drafted 26th.
Beer listed recent players taken at 27. Siakham, Gobert, Kuzma, Nance and Bogdanovich.
also the 27th can be packaged. for example a 27 and a 5 might move you to 4, where you have the hots for someone more than the one holding the 4 spot. don't discount them
then of course you can get lucky like the above picks Crush notes. (BTW. Ujiri gets credit for Siakam no doubt; but also no doubt he didn't expect Sialam to blossom the way he did or he would have picked him in Poltl slot that year [which was actually our slot])
StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CrushAlot wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:there are no shortage of terrible moves to choose from.... trading Morris at the deadline was not one of them
Oh, don't worry. There will be more terrible moves to come as long as Dolan is our owner. We traded Morris only to reroute those assets to the next washed up superstar. This is the way!
The more I read about Rose the more cautiously optimistic I have become. I do hope he gives Miller a chance.
It's like Berman's last article stated. We've been in bed with CAA for years...no one is surprised by this move. I hope I'm wrong, but I just see a continuation of the past decade. We can't have real change because our owner doesn't know much about basketball and the leeches have stuck on so long that they're grafted.
For me this is a no-win situation if you are of the stance that it all starts and ends with the owner. Unfortunately the reality is Dolan is here.
Gotta shrug the shoulders and start one rung down
Exactly. Dolan is gonna be here whether we like it or not. The good news is that Perry has done a pretty good job with moves despite all the noise around him. Rose seems to have a better feel with players than Mills ever could. So yeah we wish we could have another owner obviously but that’s not gonna happen. But I do think there is more optimism
do you want to look at perrys record as the knicks GM (worst in the league) and say he's doing a good job..wow
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CrushAlot wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:there are no shortage of terrible moves to choose from.... trading Morris at the deadline was not one of them
Oh, don't worry. There will be more terrible moves to come as long as Dolan is our owner. We traded Morris only to reroute those assets to the next washed up superstar. This is the way!
The more I read about Rose the more cautiously optimistic I have become. I do hope he gives Miller a chance.
It's like Berman's last article stated. We've been in bed with CAA for years...no one is surprised by this move. I hope I'm wrong, but I just see a continuation of the past decade. We can't have real change because our owner doesn't know much about basketball and the leeches have stuck on so long that they're grafted.
For me this is a no-win situation if you are of the stance that it all starts and ends with the owner. Unfortunately the reality is Dolan is here.
Gotta shrug the shoulders and start one rung down
Exactly. Dolan is gonna be here whether we like it or not. The good news is that Perry has done a pretty good job with moves despite all the noise around him. Rose seems to have a better feel with players than Mills ever could. So yeah we wish we could have another owner obviously but that’s not gonna happen. But I do think there is more optimism
do you want to look at perrys record as the knicks GM (worst in the league) and say he's doing a good job..wow
I think we have established that good or bad you wouldn't know the difference
GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CrushAlot wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:there are no shortage of terrible moves to choose from.... trading Morris at the deadline was not one of them
Oh, don't worry. There will be more terrible moves to come as long as Dolan is our owner. We traded Morris only to reroute those assets to the next washed up superstar. This is the way!
The more I read about Rose the more cautiously optimistic I have become. I do hope he gives Miller a chance.
It's like Berman's last article stated. We've been in bed with CAA for years...no one is surprised by this move. I hope I'm wrong, but I just see a continuation of the past decade. We can't have real change because our owner doesn't know much about basketball and the leeches have stuck on so long that they're grafted.
For me this is a no-win situation if you are of the stance that it all starts and ends with the owner. Unfortunately the reality is Dolan is here.
Gotta shrug the shoulders and start one rung down
Exactly. Dolan is gonna be here whether we like it or not. The good news is that Perry has done a pretty good job with moves despite all the noise around him. Rose seems to have a better feel with players than Mills ever could. So yeah we wish we could have another owner obviously but that’s not gonna happen. But I do think there is more optimism
do you want to look at perrys record as the knicks GM (worst in the league) and say he's doing a good job..wow
I think we have established that good or bad you wouldn't know the difference
at this point 1248 just makes me laugh
Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
who knows? you think it's a good idea to throw that our for public inspection?
i have the same concern about experience but it's a double edged sword. Every time you get someone with experience you have to ask why he's available in the first place -- someone let him go
we can line up coachhes, GMs and presidents who did great on their first gig; ones who needed a couple of attempts; and ones who were given all the opportunity in the world and still sucked
ultimately the person making the hiring decision has to rely on judgment. To me that's the most troubling (i.e., Dolan's judgment); the guys lack of experience much less so -- it's not like the guy hasn't been heavily involved with the NBA forever
As i've mentioned in other posts, the upside of a guy like Rose is he can sell a vision of the team, and get players thinking about bigger picture. A player's salary is more or less set whether max or otherwise based on his production. Rose can sell an image of all the other $$ and fame the player will get through endorsements merely by making Knicks relevant again. It's not a bad pitch
i think we've put in a bottom, and we only go up from here
Reasonable minds can differ about that
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
Sambakick wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.
Media is not there to substantiate who Dolan interviewed or not. When did he decide and is the time curious or productive? If Mills was castrated then he was ineffective to make any deal. Isn't the GM the basketball detail guy? President and owner generally approves or not, and they set the agenda.
If I had to guess, it started when Mills could not maintain a relationship with Janus. Then, the humiliation of Durant/Irving blow off. The reconstruction under Fiz was awful. When Fiz was shytcanned and team responded I think that was the final straw.
Some of you are only looking at it in one perspective: Leon Rose just walked away from a big successful position. Im sure he got paid well. But he walked away. You think a guy like that, whos clients paid 38 million to Rose via CAA (Im sure salaries, costs are part of that) and Rose is impulsive to just jump at the job? Did Dolan lean on someone also for advice? Remember irving azoff really brokered the Phil to NY thing in a big way. So consider what Rose had to view and the time to digest this move. This was not an impulsive move. This was calculated.
All that and Media was reporting Ujiri was "Maneuvering".
Dolan called the mother of the teen he had thrown out. Times are changing!!!!! LOL
GustavBahler wrote:Sambakick wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.
I did not see any parachute to be fair. Beyond that I may be mistaken for defending Dolan
GustavBahler wrote:Sambakick wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.
your response seems a little impulsive 
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Sambakick wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.
I did not see any parachute to be fair. Beyond that I may be mistaken for defending Dolan
Maybe because you wearing the official Frank Ntilikina rose colored glasses. 
Honestly we haven’t been really trying the youth thing.
We moved pieces for Rose and Noah and brought in a slew of veterans this year.
They missed on SGA and should have never moved KP. We picked the wrong coach and didn’t make the right signings this offseason. The Grizzles turned cap space into a first rounder and justice Winslow for Iggy.
Plenty of interesting signing out there that would have made for nice trades to veteran teams. But we overpaid Portis, Gibson and Ellington making hard to trade them.
Having a balanced roster and putting guys into their appropriate roles with real player development has never been a priority.
GustavBahler wrote:Sambakick wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:There is an old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Lets hope Dolan picking Rose is one of those moments. Discouraging that it apoears there was no real search process. Perry wasnt given the season to make a case to be team president. This looks like it was done on an impulse. Maybe as some posters suggested, because of the "sell the team" chants. The biggest drawback to Dolan owning the team is that he treats the Knicks, and MSG like his toy, where other owners treat their team like its their baby.
what makes you think this was on impulse?
I suspect dolan was grade-A pissed during the summer when no star FA was remotely interested in us despite the stories Mills and Perry were probably pumping to him trying to justify their trade of KP
If he was not thinking of the next FO then, he almost certainly was around the time of the infamous news conference when they threw Fizz under the buss
the fact that Miller has been doing a lot better than Fizz probably further infuriated him into wondering about their judgment -- you let Budenholzer go for Fizzdale who's getting smoked by a G-league coach
the final straw had to be Drummond and Russell. Rose probably already had his ear and said fire him; i'll take the job you've been trying to get me to take all year
in principle i'm against the agent-turned-president/GM trend for reasons i won't repeat, but I'm getting more and more optimistic about recent events. It's darkest before the dawn, and i'm seeing that first sliver of light -- call me cuckoo
Who else was interviewed for the job? You hire an agent with zero NBA or front office experience, without interviewing other potential candidates, you're going on an impulse. Even if you have wanted to make a move for a while.
we would all have liked an interview process but that doesnt mean its a given. Arent most of these jobs kind of hand picked? If there are interviews its usually like 2-3 people right? We have no idea what the truth is but I think Chandler makes good points. This was prolly cokking for awhile
We all knew Dolan was interested in an agent to be involved. There were stories out there To replace Mills now, in the middle of the season, not the offseason, soon after chants to sell the team are heard. Is impulsive. Dolan decided it had to be an agent with zero experience, and he couldnt wait, thats impulsive.
Sorry, you're forgetting the press conference Mills and Perry held after 10 games. We heard THEN that Mills and Perry were on the hot seat. I think Dolan amped up his search after that.
To replace anyone on the hot seat with someone with no experience, to parachute in mid season, is impulsive.
No doubt. He even added in the presser he sent out that he's not selling the team (we have one of the most valuable teams in sports, but can't find a competent PR firm). First he leaks out that he wants Masai then he leaks he's tired of waiting and wants an agent. The dude is impulsive and the sell the team chants got under his skin.
knicks1248 wrote:
You do realize that Morris could have walked for nothing right? Look we understand that you don’t believe in draft picks/youth UNLESS we trade all them for veterans. The problem is we did that for over a decade with awful results. Accumulating as many assets as we can will help down the road when we do want to acquire certain players without giving up everything we have like we did so many times before. By the way we can easily resign Morris this summer in fact it wouldn’t surprise me
we have been trying the youth thing for over 6 yrs..and manage to have the worse record in the NBA doing it.
In the process everybody is getting fired, and no player is really getting better..
And stop exaggerating (about me not wanting youth, and trading all of our picks) to prove a point.
I never said that, that would be stupid, I always state a mix and a balance is the proper way to build.
Your points make no sense. The question raised was what would your rather have Morris or the 27th pick......you supported this question. Quite frankly it's not an either/or situation making the question both uneducated and fairly obtuse which speaks of someone not knowing what is going on nor paying attention. So let's take a remedial class and walk through it........
- Morris was an expiring $15 Million contract on a team finishing in the lottery.
- After this year - Morris had no trade-able value for the Knicks
- The Knicks traded Morris for 1st & 2nd round picks after roughly 5/8 of the season and paying him approximately $9.5 MM worth of salary
- If the Knicks kept Morris for the full season - they would not have received 1st and 2nd round picks - nor would they have been guaranteed Morris returns next year
- Morris was traded to a team contending for a title - which should make him pretty happy - not to mention potentially put more $$ in his pockets
- The Knicks have a chance to re-sign Morris next season
So the results:
Knicks get 1st and 2nd rounders and a chance to resign Morris next season
or
Knicks get nothing - and a chance to resign Morris next season
For some reason - you are choosing the latter - which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
