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on the Knicks roster next season under Rose:
“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”
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houston20 wrote:
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on the Knicks roster next season under Rose:“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”
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Seems like a dumb statement to make.
RJ, Mitch are starters next year. Both 22 and under. High first round pick will be in the rotation. Knox, Frank, DJ on the roster right now. Pick #25 is incoming.
There will be a bunch of 20, 21, 22 year olds in the rotation.
On the surface with all these cap geru’s, cap space, and assets one might surmise a series of trade might occur.
Can’t very well roll with the same team with the addition of two draft picks? I’m not saying thats what going to happen but I see were someone could say that.
Reading some of the names of the coaches the FO has interviewed. If they also scrapped the youth movement to that degree. It would feel like a return to the early 2000s Knicks teams. Good enough to make the playoffs, not good enough to contend. Not enough stars.
With the current state of the league, Id much rather see the Knicks hire a talented young coach, and see mgmt put those draft picks to good use. Dont believe a veteran middle of the road team will provide fans as fun, and hope. As a young team on the rise, led by a good,young,coach.
If Rose is going to make some big roster changes, that sidelines the youth movement, I want to see him go big, as in elite players. Otherwise think long term.
I mean we were loaded with vets last season. Technically, Knox and Frank and Dotson and Mitch will be vets next season too!
Allanfan20 wrote:I mean we were loaded with vets last season. Technically, Knox and Frank and Dotson and Mitch will be vets next season too!
Payton, Randle, Morris. Portis. Taj Gibson. Ellington. Bullock.
Not a very young nor inexperienced group. Take out RJ and Mitchell and the roster is kinda garbage.
franco12 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:I mean we were loaded with vets last season. Technically, Knox and Frank and Dotson and Mitch will be vets next season too!
Payton, Randle, Morris. Portis. Taj Gibson. Ellington. Bullock.
Not a very young nor inexperienced group. Take out RJ and Mitchell and the roster is kinda garbage.
It was garbage. I think most of us had higher expectations but it turned out to be garbage. I’m just saying that we had and have plenty of vets as is so what Begley is saying isn’t really wrong.
Allanfan20 wrote:franco12 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:I mean we were loaded with vets last season. Technically, Knox and Frank and Dotson and Mitch will be vets next season too!
Payton, Randle, Morris. Portis. Taj Gibson. Ellington. Bullock.
Not a very young nor inexperienced group. Take out RJ and Mitchell and the roster is kinda garbage.
It was garbage. I think most of us had higher expectations but it turned out to be garbage. I’m just saying that we had and have plenty of vets as is so what Begley is saying isn’t really wrong.
Unless there's a trade package on the line that ships out the young and brings in more vets.
houston20 wrote:
“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”
If a drafted player isn't producing or edging out of his optimal developmental window, the team has to give minutes to someone.
If Thibs is the coach, he's going to try to win every night. Whomever can help him win is going to play. It tended to be veterans on other teams because he had roster depth to do that. In NY, he likely won't.
The problem the Knicks have is they are unable to organically tank. Signing Morris for cap space then trading him is how you organically tank. You move veterans OFF the roster while recouping assets for them ( essentially converting cap space for draft picks ) and deplete the roster so that only young guys can play, and thus give them a chance to get experience on the floor to better assess them.
Sign guys only to one year deals or one year deals with a team option. Obviously this further limits who you can sign, but OK. In situations where your ONLY bargaining power is max years/max AAV, you are locking yourself into a contract where being non marketable is implied.
This is the part no one is going to like - Trading for Chris Paul solves a lot of side issues, though his contract is an issue all of its own to bear. He takes you closer to the cap floor so you aren't forced to sign 5th tier filler at 3rd tier rate contracts just to hit the salary floor. He gives you leadership and a player you can base your marketing around. His game is fading but he can still offer positive production. The contract forces you to only sign 1 year contract type players around him.
If you hire Thibs, then trying to trade for Chris Paul begins to make logistical sense. It is a concession you won't contend for a long time, but let's get real, the Knicks are not going to contend for a long time anyway.
TripleThreat wrote:houston20 wrote:
“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”
If a drafted player isn't producing or edging out of his optimal developmental window, the team has to give minutes to someone.
If Thibs is the coach, he's going to try to win every night. Whomever can help him win is going to play. It tended to be veterans on other teams because he had roster depth to do that. In NY, he likely won't.
The problem the Knicks have is they are unable to organically tank. Signing Morris for cap space then trading him is how you organically tank. You move veterans OFF the roster while recouping assets for them ( essentially converting cap space for draft picks ) and deplete the roster so that only young guys can play, and thus give them a chance to get experience on the floor to better assess them.
Sign guys only to one year deals or one year deals with a team option. Obviously this further limits who you can sign, but OK. In situations where your ONLY bargaining power is max years/max AAV, you are locking yourself into a contract where being non marketable is implied.
This is the part no one is going to like - Trading for Chris Paul solves a lot of side issues, though his contract is an issue all of its own to bear. He takes you closer to the cap floor so you aren't forced to sign 5th tier filler at 3rd tier rate contracts just to hit the salary floor. He gives you leadership and a player you can base your marketing around. His game is fading but he can still offer positive production. The contract forces you to only sign 1 year contract type players around him.
If you hire Thibs, then trying to trade for Chris Paul begins to make logistical sense. It is a concession you won't contend for a long time, but let's get real, the Knicks are not going to contend for a long time anyway.
If they hire thibs and trade assets to get CP3 I am done with them for a few seasons. I honestly have better things to do now anyway.
Unless his defense improves drastically, or his offensive game jumps up several notches to make his defensive deficiencies acceptable, I can see Knox being the odd man out if they go with Thibs, Woodson or retain Miller. Its likely the team will go after a PG, SF and PF vets for next season giving them most of the minutes. Im not that worried with Frank, i think his defense will be enough to keep him on the floor. DSJ if Thibs gets the nod, might look at DSJ as a project/challenge(his Rose 2.0) until DSJ proves him that his not, that is. I hope with the focus on defense, Iggy and Dotson wont be lost in the mix. I have a feeling Dot is a wont be around for next season :(
It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.
You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.
Where does Wooten go in all the shuffling? Is he a back up 5 or a 3rd string 5 or a PF? This team has alot of untapped talent in the roster. The front office needs to hire a coach who can develop the youth. There are season in which people get surprised by an unsuspecting team playing very well, 9 out of 10 times this can be attributed to a surprising improvement of their youth that fortifies their bench. Im hoping the knick can finally be that team. If indeed Vets will dominate the playing time next season. I hope the front office can find a way for the young guns to still get some floor burn. I hope the front office wont be shy to utilize the G-league to bring all our youth down from Iggy to Dot, to Kenny to Frank and DSJ to play in the minors.I dont think these players should look at it as a demotion but an opportunity to bloat their confidence and get more reps.
In a perfect world, the knicks with mitch, RJ and the 2020 pick together with the Vets they plan to bring in can will alot more games while the rest of the youth(Iggy, frank, DSJ and company dominated the G-league and develop these players closer to their real potential. Is there a chance for the frontmen office brings down all our youth glued to the bench down the G league, that's what its for anyway.
knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.
You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.
Also, PnR. Mitch will start next year.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.
You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.
Also, PnR. Mitch will start next year.
Yeah Mitch is a PnR guy and rim protector who can switch without issue. He’s fine as a modern center as long as he plays next to a stretch 4.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.
You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.
Also, PnR. Mitch will start next year.
Yeah Mitch is a PnR guy and rim protector who can switch without issue. He’s fine as a modern center as long as he plays next to a stretch 4.
It's this simple with Mitch: he has got to develop a jumpshot. So far we have seen nada.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.
We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.
Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.
In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.
You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.
Also, PnR. Mitch will start next year.
take this for DATA
None of the Knicks’ most common pick-and-roll ball handlers were very efficient this season: Payton (28th percentile), Smith Jr. (2nd — eek! — percentile), Barrett (24th percentile) and Ntilikina (33rd percentile).
If we get thibs, i think we are going to focus on bringing in vets like Harrel, bartans, gasol
I dont think anyone is a lock to remain on this team..Mitch/randle/Rj are our blue chip trading pieces if they plan on trading for a star like Booker/CP3
