Knicks · Frank is only 22, I think this is his break out year I’d be hesitant to draft a PG (page 1)
fitzfarm@ 9/1/2020 8:57 AM
With that said I’ll be pissed if we trade him, it’ll be same old knicks type of move. This kid is a elite defender and his offense is coming, if the season wasn’t cut short I think we would have seen a breakout on offense. I think Tom T can unlock something special
TheGame@ 9/1/2020 9:08 AM
I agree that we should not reach for a pg. I am not convinced that Haliburton or Hayes are better than Frank and even if they are, they don’t look significantly better. I would rather fill another need at the wing with a 3 and D player like Vassell or Okoro. Or take a chance on Nesmith as an upgrade in Ellington.
shinmen@ 9/1/2020 9:28 AM
Actually, I would keep him even if he doesn't make huge improvements on the offense end. I'd sign for a relatively cheap contract but I would keep him. His defense at the end of games and in playoffs alone will make us win games.
stanleybostitch@ 9/1/2020 9:40 AM
100%. Frank and Mitch and RJ are the core. Trading any of them away with very few exceptions would be as ill-advised as a John Starks last minute three.
GustavBahler@ 9/1/2020 9:44 AM
As I said in another thread. If Frank is still here next season, and playing like he did before the lockdown. I hope they extend him. But if Rose gets a great offer, I wouldnt pass on it either. We still dont know if Frank has really turned the corner. We've been teased before.
knicks1248@ 9/1/2020 9:47 AM
Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.
He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding
newyorknewyork@ 9/1/2020 9:54 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.
He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding
Your high usage ball handler. Which can be anything from PG-PF given the makeup of his abilities has to be one of the best. It doesn’t have to come from the PG position. But the PG still has to be a scoring threat just like everyone else.
martin@ 9/1/2020 10:04 AM
shinmen wrote:Actually, I would keep him even if he doesn't make huge improvements on the offense end. I'd sign for a relatively cheap contract but I would keep him. His defense at the end of games and in playoffs alone will make us win games.
So this is the crux of it all. Frank will make $6M next year and his Qualifying Offer is $8M for 2021-22. I don't know when QO's have to be made but that's the range.
Allanfan20@ 9/1/2020 10:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.
He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding
Frank got 3 coaches fired? Come on dude. I actually agree with a good number of things you say and think certain posters get on you a bit much.... but this is ridiculous.
Horny was done after Franks first year. Fizdale just sucked and by the time Miller was around, the team actually played slightly better. By the time Rose was hired, I think his mind was made up about Thibs.
Don’t spew garbage.
martin@ 9/1/2020 10:11 AM
You never know what came of training camp last year but Frank was coming off of that FIVB tourney and feeling good.
And then Fiz sits both Frank and DSJr over Trier and Elfrid to start the season. Worst decisions ever
fitzfarm@ 9/1/2020 10:15 AM
There was a twitter post by daily knicks that showed franks defensive impact vs the mavs it was eye opening WOW. I also saw a beefed up frank from this offseason, frank has the ability to over match his opponent on each end of the floor at 22 college grad age you don’t trade that potential. I see a lot of Pippen in Frank.
Allanfan20@ 9/1/2020 10:17 AM
As for what I think.... I would like to see Frank be given the keys for the season. Let him be the leader of the squad. I don’t want there to be another PG competition. It doesn’t work. There is zero wrong with giving Frank confidence by announcing from the start- “Frank is the starting PG.”
Unless you 100% think that one of the PGs in the draft this year is a star (which I have my doubts about, as I did in the Lonzo Ball draft) then go for the BPA with the 8th pick. Frank is a vet now. Lets see how good he can be and how reliable he can be.
Allanfan20@ 9/1/2020 10:27 AM
As a matter of fact, I would even consider making him the captain of the team. Has he been good enough? NO but maybe this will be the spark that he and the team needs.
knicks1248@ 9/1/2020 11:04 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.
He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding
Frank got 3 coaches fired? Come on dude. I actually agree with a good number of things you say and think certain posters get on you a bit much.... but this is ridiculous.
Horny was done after Franks first year. Fizdale just sucked and by the time Miller was around, the team actually played slightly better. By the time Rose was hired, I think his mind was made up about Thibs.
Don’t spew garbage.
I'm not saying he went to management and said it's either me or him, but his below average play contributed to the mountain of losses .
The last time we were a good team, our PG's was good (kidd/felton)
Frank is never going to get a fair deal in NY because he lacks what the Knicks desperately need, consistent penetration, consistent scoring, respectable 3 point shooting. He's going to keep getting jerked around for minutes, and he's going to be clueless about his role which contributes to his snail like development.
He still has to out play DSJ and Harper for back up minutes, and deal with a coach who prefers fast, small, athletic guards who can get into the paint at will.
houston20@ 9/1/2020 11:20 AM
The problem with frank is he doesn't score often or lot points all the time and in today nba you need a scoring point guard to keep the defense honest. There is going to come a point if score at least 10 points and 5 assist more often then is usally 6 points and 3 assist to be average point guard.
Chandler@ 9/1/2020 11:34 AM
I think Thibs will do wonders for Frank and Mitch playing to their strengths and (hopefully) developing their weaknesses in practice etc
the mismanagement of both, particularly Frank, has been astounding.
Hopefully we add some firepower in this draft and FA so frank can focus on smart play and great D
If we had drafted Draymond Green we would have traded him by now because he can't shoot etc. same too with Deandre, Beverly, probably Kawhi in his early years etc
If the guy plays winning basketball you keep him and find a role
joec32033@ 9/1/2020 12:20 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:As a matter of fact, I would even consider making him the captain of the team. Has he been good enough? NO but maybe this will be the spark that he and the team needs.
The post just above this one seemed like that was how you legit felt. Pairing it with this one, now I'm calling over the top sarcasm.
smackeddog@ 9/1/2020 12:57 PM
If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all
knicks1248@ 9/1/2020 1:13 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all
The difference is they have a leader and a veteran skilled pg/coach in CP, 2 scoring guards in Schroder and shai, Not to mention they don't have 3 other guards fighting for minutes, the guy Dort knows his role, the system has been established, the circumstances are way different.
OKC doesn't need much offense from Dort, they can afford for him to go 0-9 because the other 3 guards had 20+ a piece.
BigDaddyG@ 9/1/2020 1:29 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all
Oh, about those playoffs... Sucks. I seem to be saying that every time the NBA gets to this time of year
smackeddog@ 9/1/2020 2:15 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all
Oh, about those playoffs... Sucks. I seem to be saying that every time the NBA gets to this time of year
True, but for some reason writers seemed to forget that the past season or two- That’s why it needs to be re-stated EVERY year!
), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all
Sucks. I seem to be saying that every time the NBA gets to this time of year