Do not see the Knicks staying put in FA or in the trade market. Think Rose has the pressure from Dolan/expectations to put together a big name "Win Now" roster. Which means that all our draft forecasting is for not.
With that said, I am going to change my hope for what the Knicks do in the draft. Still believe that if do not have Toppin or Okongwu drop to us at the 8, we should trade the pick for multiple low to mid teen picks. Fishmike suggested a trade with Boston involved to get this done. The next question, for me. is which direction do we go with the extra picks. Originally I was on the side of adding shooters. Still feel it may be a good way to go. As we have seen, we do not have guys that can consistently knock down shots. Feel that we can add a couple with those extra picks. Briggs likes Nesmith. Do not see a problem with picking him in the mid teens. My favorites are Bey followed by Terry and Green at these levels. However, having trouble ignoring the fact there are several athletic 6'8+ guys in the draft. Aside from Toppin and Okongwu, who as mentioned I feel are worth the 8th pick, there are also several others that have real potential and may be some of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Ones that can be drafted in the mid teens. I had hoped that Mcdaniels would fall to us at 27 but think the rest of the NBA is coming back to what his potential was coming out of HS. Think he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft. I followed him coming out of HS and thought he would do great things in the NCAA. Unfortunately, whether it was the shortened non tournament year or his trouble adapting to college, his first year did not overwhelm. Reason why he is not top 10. I think it was a combination of those things and not indicative of his true potential. For that reason he is my pick in the mid teens. Two others that I have liked for some time and hoped would fall to 27 are Williams and Achiuwa. Unfortunately, I feel they are going to go in mid teens as well.
In terms of the PG situation, still do not feel there is a PG with a higher ceiling or more importantly that will be better than than DSJR or Frank right away. Especially one that is worth using an 8th pick for. Think a better option is FA. However, if we do pick a PG, hope it is with the 27th or better yet the 38th pick. Still favor Ramsey from TT or Cole from NC as ones that some are sleeping on and would probably be there at 27. Do like Lewis and Maxey but feel they will not be available there. Others to consider and who can be drafted and/or converted to viable PG's that should be there at 27 are Hampton, Bolmaro or even Mannion. One that may be there at 38 is Joe from Arkansas. Decent shooter, and again, not much worse than ones mentioned above. Pritchard from Oregon is also worth considering with the 38.
If we can draft Mcdaniels, Bey and lets say Williams in the first round, I would be ecstatic. Think we will instantly have the potential to compete athletically with most teams in the east. What ever happens, I hope Rose at least keeps the draft strategy as part of the plan. Would be disappointing if he traded most of this years picks for a starphuck. Or if he used the 8th on a long shot PG. As mentioned above, it would be great to pick up a mix of shooters and athletic bigs in the draft and go out and add a PG in Free agency. Excited/nervous to see what Rose does. One thing is for sure, it will be an interesting couple of weeks in November.
HofstraBBall@ 11/2/2020 7:24 PM
And the former with a renewed rumor. Hopefully Macri is selling interest in his soon to be paid site.
"I’ve been told by a league source that Chris Paul prefers his next basketball home to be either in LA or NY (Los Angeles is where he resides full time) and that has created some modicum of leverage in the ongoing negotiations between the sides. I’m also told that there is a deal on the table that is comfortable from Sam Presti’s perspective, and the ball is in Leon Rose’s court"
Translation. Agent using the Knicks to get a better deal from LA. We have seen this before.
Chandler@ 11/2/2020 8:34 PM
in theory i get the appeal of trading back
in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different
TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute
plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose
martin@ 11/2/2020 9:17 PM
Chandler wrote:in theory i get the appeal of trading back
in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different
TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute
plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose
Knicks pretty much have a new front office, I'm just here to see what choices they make and think we will get a good glimpse into the level of competency
Chandler@ 11/3/2020 8:03 AM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:in theory i get the appeal of trading back
in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different
TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute
plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose
Knicks pretty much have a new front office, I'm just here to see what choices they make and think we will get a good glimpse into the level of competency
I agree. Now who knows how much TT had to do with it, but drafting Noah and Butler is a good sign. Many teams would have passed on those guys. COuld be pure luck but it could also be someone seeing a guy who could contribute
My main issue is that we can't miss with our first pick, both to set a tone of accountability and a step forward
we can't have another pick which is along the lines of "Hey, we in the FO get a free pass for 4 years on this guy because he's so young or whatever". The guy has to be able to play, and if we're smart has to be a guy who will continue to improve. No more lotter pick, question marks
HofstraBBall@ 11/3/2020 12:45 PM
Chandler wrote:in theory i get the appeal of trading back
in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different
TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute
plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose
Might as well find out how good the new scouting system is. Also, although I agree that teen picks are hard to gauge, it is the reason I feel multiple picks are the best way to mitigate our return. Especially in a year where the draft is more uncertain than ever,
Really do think that the guys I mentuoned have a better chance of being closer to the pleasant surprise of MR than the somewhat dissapointing one of Frank and Knox. They have the same athletic quality I think may be something to focus on.
HofstraBBall@ 11/3/2020 12:49 PM
My 38 pick Pritchard in a pick up game vs Trae Young and Dinwiddie. Kid can shoot. If he is able to show any kind of defensive ability in work outs,,, he may move up to first round.
Philc1@ 11/3/2020 12:52 PM
Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
BigDaddyG@ 11/3/2020 12:55 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:My 38 pick Pritchard in a pick up game vs Trae Young and Dinwiddie. Kid can shoot. If he is able to show any kind of defensive ability in work outs,,, he may move up to first round.
Pritchard looked really small in that video. He made Trae look like Jason Kidd. I'm not sure I'd burn the 38th pick on him. I wouldn't pick him unless the team managed to buy another pick. Honestly, I see a two-way deal in this kid's future.
HofstraBBall@ 11/3/2020 3:19 PM
McDabiels pre draft interview and some work out footage.
HofstraBBall@ 11/3/2020 3:56 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:My 38 pick Pritchard in a pick up game vs Trae Young and Dinwiddie. Kid can shoot. If he is able to show any kind of defensive ability in work outs,,, he may move up to first round.
Pritchard looked really small in that video. He made Trae look like Jason Kidd. I'm not sure I'd burn the 38th pick on him. I wouldn't pick him unless the team managed to buy another pick. Honestly, I see a two-way deal in this kid's future.
Agree. At 6'2" he will have a tough time at any position other than PG. Defending faster PG's will also be an issue. But that is the reason why he is scoring in the second rounder. If he had more height he would be a mid teen pick. However, he has a skill everyone wants right now. Shooting. And he showed in college is is a very good shooter.
Who do you like at 38?
HofstraBBall@ 11/3/2020 3:57 PM
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
BigDaddyG@ 11/3/2020 5:10 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:My 38 pick Pritchard in a pick up game vs Trae Young and Dinwiddie. Kid can shoot. If he is able to show any kind of defensive ability in work outs,,, he may move up to first round.
Pritchard looked really small in that video. He made Trae look like Jason Kidd. I'm not sure I'd burn the 38th pick on him. I wouldn't pick him unless the team managed to buy another pick. Honestly, I see a two-way deal in this kid's future.
Agree. At 6'2" he will have a tough time at any position other than PG. Defending faster PG's will also be an issue. But that is the reason why he is scoring in the second rounder. If he had more height he would be a mid teen pick. However, he has a skill everyone wants right now. Shooting. And he showed in college is is a very good shooter.
Who do you like at 38?
I think Immanuel Quickley will be there for us in that range. I'm also hopeful Leandro Bolmaro will be within reach. Cassius Stanley is also another guy I'd take a shot on. Nico Mannion, while not as tough as Pritchard, has higher upsid due to his physical tools. I don't think I'd take Nico at #38, but I think I might take a chance on him over Pritchard. The margin is slim tho. Nico looked alarmingly soft at times. I think I like Devon Dotson over both. I've seen Paul Reed's stock all over the place,bu I would definitely man him at 38?
GustavBahler@ 11/3/2020 6:17 PM
TT is calling his lawyers, as we speak.
Still believe that Rose seems like the kind of team pres. who would be bold enough to trade up. When was the last time we did?
Also believe with the Knicks revamped scouting dept. we could also see the Knicks trade down, maybe get a 2 for 1 deal.
HofstraBBall@ 11/4/2020 10:09 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:My 38 pick Pritchard in a pick up game vs Trae Young and Dinwiddie. Kid can shoot. If he is able to show any kind of defensive ability in work outs,,, he may move up to first round.
Pritchard looked really small in that video. He made Trae look like Jason Kidd. I'm not sure I'd burn the 38th pick on him. I wouldn't pick him unless the team managed to buy another pick. Honestly, I see a two-way deal in this kid's future.
Agree. At 6'2" he will have a tough time at any position other than PG. Defending faster PG's will also be an issue. But that is the reason why he is scoring in the second rounder. If he had more height he would be a mid teen pick. However, he has a skill everyone wants right now. Shooting. And he showed in college is is a very good shooter.
Who do you like at 38?
I think Immanuel Quickley will be there for us in that range. I'm also hopeful Leandro Bolmaro will be within reach. Cassius Stanley is also another guy I'd take a shot on. Nico Mannion, while not as tough as Pritchard, has higher upsid due to his physical tools. I don't think I'd take Nico at #38, but I think I might take a chance on him over Pritchard. The margin is slim tho. Nico looked alarmingly soft at times. I think I like Devon Dotson over both. I've seen Paul Reed's stock all over the place,bu I would definitely man him at 38?
What's funny and indicative of this years draft is that its hard to argue against any of those guys. Like Stanley and Quickley but feel they will not be there at 38. Mannion is another one that has intrigue at 38 but like Pritchard's shot and aggressiveness much more. Not a big fan of Dotson due to his size and struggles last year from 3pt. Paul Reed is a good defender but raw on offense despite 3 years in college. for me, there are others with higher ceilings. Like I said, so many guys that I feel are at similar levels.
Philc1@ 11/5/2020 1:19 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8
HofstraBBall@ 11/5/2020 5:42 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8
Liked Vassell early on. But after watching his work outs I think he will have an issue with his shooting. Think other NBA teams will come to the same conclusion and he will drop to mid teens. No reason to get Anthony at 8. He will probably be ther at 27. Also, keep going ba k to Joe as another sleeper.
HofstraBBall@ 11/13/2020 8:59 AM
Hopefully this Berman insight has some legs. I give it 5 out of 10 Donuts in Berman truth meter.
Hopefully Rose has something set up if we do not have a chance at Toppin, Okongwu or some of the other rated top 5 that may fall to us. Really do feel we can get the equivalent of Vassell or Lewis later on. I am also hoping that, in a "Shortened" season, we roll with youth and figure out who is worth keeping long term. Only pricey contracts I want are the ones that come with draft picks. With so many young question marks, this is not the year to go all in on FA's. Its a good year to buuld the young base. Then we can use all the cap space in a more promising class in 2021.
Philc1@ 11/13/2020 11:34 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
I want Vassell
Philc1@ 11/13/2020 11:35 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8
Liked Vassell early on. But after watching his work outs I think he will have an issue with his shooting. Think other NBA teams will come to the same conclusion and he will drop to mid teens. No reason to get Anthony at 8. He will probably be ther at 27. Also, keep going ba k to Joe as another sleeper.
What’s your issue with Vassell’s shooting? He shot 41% from 3 in college
I also love Vassell’s long wingspan. Him, Frank and Mitch playing together will cause problems for teams trying to pass the ball
BigDaddyG@ 11/13/2020 12:16 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games
Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.
I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8
Liked Vassell early on. But after watching his work outs I think he will have an issue with his shooting. Think other NBA teams will come to the same conclusion and he will drop to mid teens. No reason to get Anthony at 8. He will probably be ther at 27. Also, keep going ba k to Joe as another sleeper.
What’s your issue with Vassell’s shooting? He shot 41% from 3 in college
I also love Vassell’s long wingspan. Him, Frank and Mitch playing together will cause problems for teams trying to pass the ball
Vassell said he was just goofing around in that clip. That doesn't worry me. His inability to consistently create has me worried and that's why I have him a little lower, but I wouldn't freak out if they drafted him. He's safe. BUT I'd be happier if we nabbed Woodard at 27 than I would be if we drafted Vassell at #8. The one thing this draft does have is potential 3&D guys. Okoro and Vassell are the highest rated ones, but there will be options later in.
