fishmike wrote:blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:blkexec wrote:Vmart wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Vmart wrote:I honestly believe that Obi would be far ahead of the curve had it not been for Thibs. The Knicks offense is awful 4th worst in the league. Better coach and I think all the young players are in a way better situation.
He was COY last year.
Not this year.
If Randle played like he did this year, would Thibs get COY?
If Randle wasnt in his contract year, and wasn't motivated to dominate, similar to how hes not motivated this year, would Thibs get COY?
We give Thibs and really all coaches a little too much credit, in my humble opinion. Some coaches deserve it yes, but others don't. I'll just say that. Players control teams. And Randle for some reason, is not the right fit, when you look at the entire current roster. Whether it's Elf and Bullock that left, who he was close to. Or off the court issues at home. The point is.....
I believe Obi, IQ and some of the other rookies (Deuce and Sims) would've developed a little more by now under a different coach. I'm just agreeing with the original poster. With that said.....
I'm very happy with the development of these yoots so far. We have a good problem to have. Team full of young promising players with loads of potential and age on their side. I hope this is enough data for the FO to make logical moves and not rushed or panic moves to rush into a playoff team build. Kemba and EF are players you add to a championship ready or playoff team. Randle got his money and lost his motivation or mental distractions at home or team chemistry. Nobody knows but Randle. What I do know?
It's time to go. Yes he's our best player, but we not going anywhere far with him right now. Either load up the team with super stars and all stars, around Randle, then that works. But if Randle is the best player and the offense runs through him, no thanks.
Would Phil have been a good coach without Jordan? God this is so stupid. Thibs is a 2x COY. He literally took the Miller/Fizdale dumpster fire and rode it a 4th seed. Yeah... lets pretend Thibs got too much credit. You guys are funny.
Thank you fish for the reply. But did you know you are commenting on a 6 month old post? 🤦♂️
If you have any thoughts or comments on my thinking today I’m all ears.
No I do not give Phil as much credit as most. Same can be said about COY Thibs.
How do I feel 6 months later, since you care enough to reply to my 6 month old post.
Thibs is doing better based on the end of last year and preseason. We will see if this carry’s over to the regular season. COY Thibs is a great coach to have for a veteran team. I’m not changing my stance on that. He’s a coach players love which is great to have. What has he done for the yoots on our team? He’s done a good job so far since everyone listens and there’s no rebellion from the yoots. They respect him and that’s all you can ask for.
As far as Thibs the COY and how he handles in game changes, roster rotations, offense plays especially after timeouts or 2nd half. Offensive plays in general, does he have any? Or does he allow the team to just make it up based on what they see on the court 🤔 We will see come mid season! I will hold my comments on thigs until I see some regular season games.
meh its been the same song for awhile... you will find some Thibs axe to grind.Next up: all last year Thib's "let" Julius be immature and didnt hold him accountable
This year: New Julius playing inside the offense and having a great bounce back year is Brunson's leadership, not Thibs
That's my next guess... what do you think?
I hate to admit when someone is right, but I believe your spot on. 🤣 Guess I’ve been singing the same song for a while. At least im consistent.
But I will definitely give Thibs his props where it’s deserved. And come on now, Thibs plays a part into Randles turnaround (assuming that happens). But without a doubt, Brunson (and the FO) will and should get most of the props for paying Brunson and Brunson game allows others (RJ and Randle) to play their roll, instead of this point forward stuff.
But I’ve never been a thibs fan as a head coach. But I can change. Just not from a thread discussion. 😝
If Obi shows that he's good enough to start by midseason. The FO is getting offers for Randle. Cant say Im sure what other position should be upgraded. We have a talented roster, not a very consistent one. Hoping that Brunson will help in that dept.
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Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
We really "regret" not drafting "Avidja" all while Obi Toppin is stepping up for an injured All-Star while starting @ PF in replace of Julius Randle. And who just ran circles around Avdija on the basketball court tonight.
Thank the basketball Gods we didn't draft a SF named Deni Avdija. Because if so? He wouldn't have a spot in Thibs rotation to play @ SF with both R.J. Barrett and Josh Hart ahead of him + no way he could take minutes away from Obi Toppin @ PF (because Deni Avdija is no, PF).
Just my thoughts.
Toppin looked great tonight. Just played within the flow, hit his 3 pointers, and even played defense.
Agreed that at least for tonight, he was better and more impactful than Avidja.
Panos wrote:Toppin looked great tonight. Just played within the flow, hit his 3 pointers, and even played defense.
Agreed that at least for tonight, he was better and more impactful than Avidja.
Sometimes that’s all a team needs to win games. We don’t always need a superstar performance from Randle or Brunson. We can win team ball as well. Which is why we are a dangerous matchup for any team in the playoffs.
The key is how early will thibs see our iso guys don’t have it ( RJ / Randle), bring in Obi and let the 2nd unit fly around the court to Chang this momentum.
Thibs has more tools now to win a playoff series. And Randles injury might be a blessing for the team (assuming Randle has a full recovery). We need everybody healthy to win this series. But as we can see, this team is capable of winning team ball and not just iso plays.
blkexec wrote:Panos wrote:Toppin looked great tonight. Just played within the flow, hit his 3 pointers, and even played defense.
Agreed that at least for tonight, he was better and more impactful than Avidja.
Sometimes that’s all a team needs to win games. We don’t always need a superstar performance from Randle or Brunson. We can win team ball as well. Which is why we are a dangerous matchup for any team in the playoffs.
The key is how early will thibs see our iso guys don’t have it ( RJ / Randle), bring in Obi and let the 2nd unit fly around the court to Chang this momentum.
Thibs has more tools now to win a playoff series. And Randles injury might be a blessing for the team (assuming Randle has a full recovery). We need everybody healthy to win this series. But as we can see, this team is capable of winning team ball and not just iso plays.
Interesting days indeed. Obi playing for extension or ask out of NY.
Randle might not be ready to go 100%.
Then there is the Playoff rotation. Where does Thibs go?
Also, there a virus going around the knicks lockerroom or did RJ need some time to get “well”.
Win Vs. cavs he looked a bit out of sorts. If Physical, ok. If the kid needs some “me” time, OK too.
Just come back and ready to fly.
I want the best version of everybody ready for playoffs.
Obi might hold the keys to the season with Randle out. First we have to clinch the 5th.
Then, show up and play starters minutes if need be vs. Clev.
GO OBI GO!!!
blkexec wrote:Panos wrote:Toppin looked great tonight. Just played within the flow, hit his 3 pointers, and even played defense.
Agreed that at least for tonight, he was better and more impactful than Avidja.
Sometimes that’s all a team needs to win games. We don’t always need a superstar performance from Randle or Brunson. We can win team ball as well. Which is why we are a dangerous matchup for any team in the playoffs.
The key is how early will thibs see our iso guys don’t have it ( RJ / Randle), bring in Obi and let the 2nd unit fly around the court to Chang this momentum.
Thibs has more tools now to win a playoff series. And Randles injury might be a blessing for the team (assuming Randle has a full recovery). We need everybody healthy to win this series. But as we can see, this team is capable of winning team ball and not just iso plays.
This is my big worry too. Randle and Brunson both have some of the toughest shot selections in the league. I'm optimistic because in the playoffs sometimes those are the only shots available but at the same time pessimistic because I could see one or both of them having a tough time in the playoffs.
By contrast the second unit seems to have a much easier shot selection.
On topic, no. Avidja isn't a star and hasn't shown an elite ability in any facet of the game to have a career as a role player. With Obi, you know what you're going to get and he shoots 3's.
Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Dani is no star but he is 22 and perhaps still has some upside even for the 9th pick.
easy to compare him to a SF version of Gallinari who perhaps had a better career then first thought.
Obi is not a bust and I thought it was still a good "Gamble" given his upside at the time of the draft.
That draft class got shut down in march madness and the draft was not until october, just weeks before camp opened. Very limited circumstances made for some teams to luck out, and others not.
Sometimes these players are not good matches with their current teams but are moved to one that can used them and do it properly. Obi is behind Randle. Dani has Kuzma, Beal, and Kispert. Maybe he is better with another team going forward.
TPercy wrote:Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Wall kinda fizzled out on them fairly early on with his injury
TPercy wrote:Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Davis had a big Taco Bell commercial campaign leading up to the draft! Amazing this kid has looked as bad as he did thus far.
Philc1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Wall kinda fizzled out on them fairly early on with his injury
John was 28 when the injuries started to mount. Came at age 20, was a 5 time allstar and all NBA 3rd team (3rd team).
He avg. 35 min a game in his 9 seasons with Washington.
Good idea pairing him with Beal in the fast pace era to come. Sucks he fell apart so bad in his 8th season.
Avdija seems to usually do well vs the Knicks (Not last night), but I think with the minutes Toppin is a bit more of a court impact guy, whereas Avdija can float out of the game if his shot isn't falling.
I lose no sleep about Avdija. He's alright. Nothing special or good enough to make a thread about.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Wall kinda fizzled out on them fairly early on with his injury
John was 28 when the injuries started to mount. Came at age 20, was a 5 time allstar and all NBA 3rd team (3rd team).
He avg. 35 min a game in his 9 seasons with Washington.
Good idea pairing him with Beal in the fast pace era to come. Sucks he fell apart so bad in his 8th season.
Yeah but consider that for a second, John Wall was drafted 13 years ago. Beal 11 years ago. They haven't hit on anyone since then in recent memory and thats sad.
Kispert looks like he's ready to be a real contributor
Oh ya I forgot about Kispert lol. Yeah hes solid.
SergioNYK wrote:I lose no sleep about Avdija. He's alright. Nothing special or good enough to make a thread about.
ha Washington fans are like, same but with Obi
TPercy wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Honestly Wizards haven't hit on a draft pick in ages. Even the Johnny Davis kid who I was really high on and thought was the most NBA ready turned out to really struggle so far.
Wall kinda fizzled out on them fairly early on with his injury
John was 28 when the injuries started to mount. Came at age 20, was a 5 time allstar and all NBA 3rd team (3rd team).
He avg. 35 min a game in his 9 seasons with Washington.
Good idea pairing him with Beal in the fast pace era to come. Sucks he fell apart so bad in his 8th season.
Yeah but consider that for a second, John Wall was drafted 13 years ago. Beal 11 years ago. They haven't hit on anyone since then in recent memory and thats sad.
No doubt! When a max player goes down to start a max contract its bad.
martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I lose no sleep about Avdija. He's alright. Nothing special or good enough to make a thread about.
ha Washington fans are like, same but with Obi
Do you think Washington fans are creating a thread about Obi?
If Washington had one pick, would they pick Avidja over Toppin right now?
