Knicks · Because we love to hate KP (page 2)
knicks1248 wrote:No regrets about the trade. He didn’t want to be here so no need for that drama anymore. I’ve moved on and happy we got multiple first rounders and flexibility. He is far too brittle to play any extended period of timeMS wrote:Honestly looking at the trade, I think we are forgetting we actually gave them two good role players.THJR 17.5pts 44.3%
Burke 11pts 45%KP has been a major disappointment, that’s not debatable. The trade still isn’t great, unless we get a lottery pick this season which looks very possible.
We had one max slot available to sign without making a trade, so saying we signed Randle with the cap space isn’t necessarily true.
We actually misused our cap in a big way, at the detriment of development.
The KP trade is Smith and three first rounders. Honestly without a regime change we wouldn’t have been able to get Quick, which leads me to believe they will nail the Dallas pick.
I still think there was a better deal out there with competent management in place. They essentially flushed the roster without information that they had commitments from Irving snd Durant.
You never get a good package rushing. Im not saying I would have maxed him, but you can never let players threaten you.
All of this is Facts.
KP would have had been a better fit next to Randle, and mitch of the bench
MS wrote:Honestly looking at the trade, I think we are forgetting we actually gave them two good role players.THJR 17.5pts 44.3%
Burke 11pts 45%KP has been a major disappointment, that’s not debatable. The trade still isn’t great, unless we get a lottery pick this season which looks very possible.
We had one max slot available to sign without making a trade, so saying we signed Randle with the cap space isn’t necessarily true.
We actually misused our cap in a big way, at the detriment of development.
The KP trade is Smith and three first rounders. Honestly without a regime change we wouldn’t have been able to get Quick, which leads me to believe they will nail the Dallas pick.
I still think there was a better deal out there with competent management in place. They essentially flushed the roster without information that they had commitments from Irving snd Durant.
You never get a good package rushing. Im not saying I would have maxed him, but you can never let players threaten you.
If we don't move THJ, then we don't get Randle and Morris. We don't get Morris, then we don't get IQ. This has several layers that need to be peeled, and we won't know the "winner" for years. Also, the Knicks tried to push KP for AD, Fox, Bagley and few others. All those teams declined. The problem is that we didn't trade KP when Phil was shopping him. His value was much higher then.
And funnier still is where have all the posters gone that said we should dump Randle. My god, as fans in NY - how many times have we seen an athlete get a big contract and struggle the first year (usually with the Yankees) because they're trying to do too much, to prove in year 1 they are worth the full contract?
CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
BigDaddyG wrote:MS wrote:Honestly looking at the trade, I think we are forgetting we actually gave them two good role players.THJR 17.5pts 44.3%
Burke 11pts 45%KP has been a major disappointment, that’s not debatable. The trade still isn’t great, unless we get a lottery pick this season which looks very possible.
We had one max slot available to sign without making a trade, so saying we signed Randle with the cap space isn’t necessarily true.
We actually misused our cap in a big way, at the detriment of development.
The KP trade is Smith and three first rounders. Honestly without a regime change we wouldn’t have been able to get Quick, which leads me to believe they will nail the Dallas pick.
I still think there was a better deal out there with competent management in place. They essentially flushed the roster without information that they had commitments from Irving snd Durant.
You never get a good package rushing. Im not saying I would have maxed him, but you can never let players threaten you.
If we don't move THJ, then we don't get Randle and Morris. We don't get Morris, then we don't get IQ. This has several layers that need to be peeled, and we won't know the "winner" for years. Also, the Knicks tried to push KP for AD, Fox, Bagley and few others. All those teams declined. The problem is that we didn't trade KP when Phil was shopping him. His value was much higher then.
If anyone can clearly put what the trade meant to us in terms of cap space and how that affected us signing Randle, Morris, and whomever I'd appreciate it. So I don't just keep shooting my mouth off if I'm wrong! Okay if I'm right.... ;)
BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
knicks1248 wrote:But it’s not just the Injuries though. He demanded a trade and didn’t want to be here. Knicks did the right thing getting back picks and flexibility.BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
martin wrote:Exactly. Plus he was causing drama and said he never wanted to play for the team again basicallyknicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Exactly. Plus he was causing drama and said he never wanted to play for the team again basicallyknicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
Also, those guys that were mentioned were in the top 10-20. KP clearly isn't on that tier. You shop him around to teams and you're still using his "potential" as a major selling point. Harder sell when he's already making the max.
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
Just wondering, since you're comparing KP to all those brittle players, what exactly did KP accomplish prior to being injured all the time? These are all elite level talents. KP's the epic flash in the pan that was not enough of a talent to drag a team to the playoffs.
His drama and his idiot brother are not part of the game.
Is your point seriously that KP's max contract is going to be an easy trade because the current Mount Rushmore of the NBA had injuries too?
Gallo went from an oft-injured, top-10 worst NBA contract to a valued utility AFTER he showed he could perform consistently in big spots. In the playoffs. Have we seen that from KP yet? Play the GM. Are you willing to take a 100mil shot on 4 years of brittle potential?
As long as your not breaking the law, represent the team respectively, and do your job!
There were times some of our favorite knicks were not all that “Nice”. Ewing could be a selfish dick and not sure he always wanted to be here. THe gold club in Atlanta? Contract greed? Issues with Nellie?
SPree? LJ string of children out off wedlock? Mase running round with underage girls and a powederkeg of potential issues, Starks golf club issues......I could go on and on.
KP did not endear himself to us but for the most part he played hard and was fun to watch.
It think TImmy would be great on this roster right now.
Good jobs on the “What if” accuracy. We forget things are related. Revising back we forget time and space with the windows of opportunities.
Chandler wrote:If there were a bigger critic of the kp trade than me I’d be surprisedThat said, those numbers do make me happy and I think randles current play has intangibles not in those numbers
This. Although, I was right about Randle.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
Dude you know I called that out months before he was traded...and you tried to bash me then
I question if he even deserve a max because I personally didn't think so...
I never ever thought he was a franchise player, but would be a solid part of a core.
When I get some time i can go back and bring up all of the KP threads right up until he requested a trade, and how drastically you guys opinion change of him, a complete 180.
His brother, his injuries, his low rebound #s, his fatigue issues, skipping out on meetings, none of that sht matter to you guys...KP was the Man around here, In fact some of you were ready to fire phil on the spot for even considering trading him.
Now you bash him every chance you get..
StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Exactly. Plus he was causing drama and said he never wanted to play for the team again basicallyknicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
Did he say that, or did the FO say it
I'm always going to look at that trade as top 5 worse in knicks history.
DSJ is not even in the damn rotation, and even if KP doesn't play another game this season, the MAVS are not a lottery team
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
Dude you know I called that out months before he was traded...and you tried to bash me thenI question if he even deserve a max because I personally didn't think so...
I never ever thought he was a franchise player, but would be a solid part of a core.
When I get some time i can go back and bring up all of the KP threads right up until he requested a trade, and how drastically you guys opinion change of him, a complete 180.
His brother, his injuries, his low rebound #s, his fatigue issues, skipping out on meetings, none of that sht matter to you guys...KP was the Man around here, In fact some of you were ready to fire phil on the spot for even considering trading him.
Now you bash him every chance you get..
He's no longer a Knicks. The only real connection that we have to him now is that his performance is linked directly to our pick via Dallas. I really don't care what KP does after that. But facts are facts. Those saying the trade set the franchise back years have to consider that the trade might have the opposite result. Still remains to be seen. But we can all agree that the deal has been a wash so far. Even if you want to say Dallas won, it's not by a huge margin. That said you compared KPs value to bonafide HOFers in the earlier post. The fact that you called KPs red flags earlier shows that you don't believe he's on that level. Why fight it?
BigDaddyG wrote:. 1248 likes to feel he knows more than all of us. So him pumping his chest saying “I knew for a long time before anybody else that KP would be traded and wasnt worth the Max” basically proves that it was maybe the right thing to move on from him. Anyway I like 1248. Not right about most things but does make me laugh 😂knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
AD was just as injury prone if not more, kawhi is the definition of load management, PG13, cp3, westbrook, kD, Kyrie. i really can't think of any player not Name LBJ that have had their fair share of injuries.
It's just part of the game, all of this players are brittle
KP is in a different class of brittle and if you can't see the difference, you are willfully blind
Dude you know I called that out months before he was traded...and you tried to bash me thenI question if he even deserve a max because I personally didn't think so...
I never ever thought he was a franchise player, but would be a solid part of a core.
When I get some time i can go back and bring up all of the KP threads right up until he requested a trade, and how drastically you guys opinion change of him, a complete 180.
His brother, his injuries, his low rebound #s, his fatigue issues, skipping out on meetings, none of that sht matter to you guys...KP was the Man around here, In fact some of you were ready to fire phil on the spot for even considering trading him.
Now you bash him every chance you get..
He's no longer a Knicks. The only real connection that we have to him now is that his performance is linked directly to our pick via Dallas. I really don't care what KP does after that. But facts are facts. Those saying the trade set the franchise back years have to consider that the trade might have the opposite result. Still remains to be seen. But we can all agree that the deal has been a wash so far. Even if you want to say Dallas won, it's not by a huge margin. That said you compared KPs value to bonafide HOFers in the earlier post. The fact that you called KPs red flags earlier shows that you don't believe he's on that level. Why fight it?
And although of course I take no pleasure in the idea of a Porzingdog demise, I will posit that he was expected to be Robin to Luka's Batman -- perhaps it would be more fair to assign him the role of say a Commissioner Gordon. Or Alfred. Aunt Harriet?
doomed wrote:I’ll gladly admit I may have over reacted to this trade. I still think KP has a shit load of potential that he can reach but he isn’t really progressing. If he ever stayed healthy for years on end... tall order and a big if.If Dallas missed the playoffs and we got a good lotto pick...that’d be nice.
Potential is nothing if you don’t play
KnickDanger wrote:Love to hate KP for sure, but really love to stick it to all the trolling media who pissed all over the Knicks for making the trade. Cap space has already given us Randle and Quickley plus. That’s before we even see what the #1’s bring. Not to mention that $102 million for who knows what won’t be our problem.And the horse he rode in on....
The media has already forgotten about Porzingis in Dallas
BigDaddyG wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:I B all teary eyed right now! Seeing KP with a side helping of Timmy helping us to get that lotto pick! Let us all pray it continues. We deserve it!It is crazy that Randle is playing so well, better than KP imo. KP can block shots and play good help D with his length, but he really is not getting better. And where is his shot?
I feel bad for the guy in a way, but he made his bed in this situation. Enjoy sleeping in it.![]()
We are gonna have 2 nice picks in the middle or higher of the first round this next draft. And I think we gots 2 in the 2nd as well? Oh boy, assets.
If KP stays healthy, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas trade him at the deadline for a better fit next to Luka. Though, he should be fine with Luka you would think.
In other news, let's see what DSJ gots because, as crazy as it sounds, he can either be a trade asset or do some PG'ing here. (If not you take your loss.) But these short rotations are gonna bite us.
KP is going to be hard to move now. He already signed the max extension. It's going to be hard to get equal value in return.
A soft extremely injury prone prima donna PF/C with an idiot Fredo Corleone agent/brother and 4 years $100 million left guaranteed on his contract
GMs are tripping over eachother for this!