He’s really bad. Can’t shoot or play D and isn’t really a playmaker.
TPercy wrote:He’s really bad. Can’t shoot or play D and isn’t really a playmaker.
He has always been a volume shooter but also seemed to be a big game/clutch performer too. At his best I always thought he was pretty good. If you take his best season it compares pretty closely to the average Dame season.
Those days may be over with though. Have no idea if his knee situation is chronic.
That dude didn't even give the knicks a meeting when he was a FA, a local dude from the area wanted nothing to do with the struggling knicks.
So his as can kick rocks and continue to struggle with the Celtic, who should trade him to another struggling team.
knicks1248 wrote:That dude didn't even give the knicks a meeting when he was a FA, a local dude from the area wanted nothing to do with the struggling knicks.So his as can kick rocks and continue to struggle with the Celtic, who should trade him to another struggling team.
So if kemba had shown proper respect like to some Mafia Don, like ask for your friendship or offer a cup of coffee you’d then welcome him with open arms? Or this really about his on court basketball talent?
“The enemy of my Enemy is my friend”.......
In the “Anybody is better than Payton” line of thinking yes I would take Kemba I I knew for two years I could not get someone better.
But Since I don’t know that I then kick the can down the road.
Kemba needed to come up big for Boston and he could not. Thus he could not for us and I deduct I’d rather bank on IQ’s upside even though he is not were Kemba is now.
No, I'd kick the tires on A Rozier trade if the Hornets decide on prioritising Monk and or Graham and splash out on a C. If they decide to stick with Rozier (most likely), then I'd maybe go after Monk if his salary is reasonable
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:That dude didn't even give the knicks a meeting when he was a FA, a local dude from the area wanted nothing to do with the struggling knicks.So his as can kick rocks and continue to struggle with the Celtic, who should trade him to another struggling team.
So if kemba had shown proper respect like to some Mafia Don, like ask for your friendship or offer a cup of coffee you’d then welcome him with open arms? Or this really about his on court basketball talent?
“The enemy of my Enemy is my friend”.......
lol...yeah. Tough call. Sign with the 49-33 Celtics who were a year removed for being in the eastern conference finals or consider the 17-65 Knicks who just struck out on Durant and Kyrie in free agency. Can't believe he wasn't more receptive to our outreach.
Welpee wrote:lol...yeah. Tough call. Sign with the 49-33 Celtics who were a year removed for being in the eastern conference finals or consider the 17-65 Knicks who just struck out on Durant and Kyrie in free agency. Can't believe he wasn't more receptive to our outreach.
I all fairness, I think the Knicks were smart enough not to want to lock themselves up with him for a max. Now, the two remaining years are not the same as four years. But with his chronic health problems, I supposed it is preferable to keep the two-year option of chancing upon someone better with our cap space, as illusory as that chance may be.
So yeah, we need an upgrade at PG - but no on Kemba - even though he was one of my fave college players.
Covered before, but he seemingly has a chronic knee problem that really started affecting him in the 2019-2020 season. He was basically load-managed this season and will likely need the same treatment moving forward. Load managed players tend to mess up team chemistry a bit. See Boston, but also see Miami this year: the aging Dragic was in and out of the lineup and I think that impacted the output of their role players. (everyone's fave "Herro" is a little miscast as a fulltime PG, as are the rest of the Miami "interchangeable" horde of guards)
I still like the idea of a Rozier-type player that isn't afraid to take big shots. He's like a better version of what we got with Rivers (or, really, a baby version of Dwyane Wade) and I think would be a very solid starter quality player. I wouldn't expect him to elevate the team the way a CP3 would. I think popping CP3 on our roster in place of Elfrid would have given us 10+ more wins this season. If we had the same roster + Rozier instead of Elfrid, maybe only 2-3 more wins?
I don't think we'd be in a terrible place developing Quickley - but I think at his current level of development, he benefits with the Knicks doing our current style of running the PG through Randle/RJ/Burks and him being a secondary creator. He may not be ready to be a fulltime starting quality PG yet. (or maybe it's not in the cards for his future) But as we saw in the Atlanta series, having a more dynamic ball creator (and not a forward) running the offense would probably make our offense much more dangerous and unpredictable.
Jmpasq wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we can’t get one of Ball, Dinwiddie or Lavine yes. We can even get theCeltics to give us their first rd pick
As a back-up plan its not awful from a flyer standpoint. The problem is we punt on free agency the following year.
I gotta feeling we’re punting no matter what. The Pels can match whatever we offer Ball
Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we can’t get one of Ball, Dinwiddie or Lavine yes. We can even get theCeltics to give us their first rd pick
As a back-up plan its not awful from a flyer standpoint. The problem is we punt on free agency the following year.
Look at Jimmy Butler when he went to Miami. You don’t need to have cap space to get the best free agents. Just draft assets. The top free agents will go where they want regardless of who has cap space. Using the space this year essentially just puts us out of the running of the second tier or lower guys in 2022.
I will say this until draft day; unless there’s a big opportunity during the draft to acquire a star, use 19 on the best player available that fits a need and move pick 21 for a future first rounder. Kick the can down the road and keep the pool of assets large. Then use the cap space to get better now. Every year cap space becomes less valuable and draft picks become more valuable. We need to stay in front of that.
If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
Welpee wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we can’t get one of Ball, Dinwiddie or Lavine yes. We can even get theCeltics to give us their first rd pick
As a back-up plan its not awful from a flyer standpoint. The problem is we punt on free agency the following year.
Look at Jimmy Butler when he went to Miami. You don’t need to have cap space to get the best free agents. Just draft assets. The top free agents will go where they want regardless of who has cap space. Using the space this year essentially just puts us out of the running of the second tier or lower guys in 2022.
I will say this until draft day; unless there’s a big opportunity during the draft to acquire a star, use 19 on the best player available that fits a need and move pick 21 for a future first rounder. Kick the can down the road and keep the pool of assets large. Then use the cap space to get better now. Every year cap space becomes less valuable and draft picks become more valuable. We need to stay in front of that.
Unless you can package the two picks to move up closer to the top 10, your plan works for me.
We would have 3 picks to package. Plus another 2 first round picks next season we can dangle That would be tempting for a number of lottery teams
Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we can’t get one of Ball, Dinwiddie or Lavine yes. We can even get theCeltics to give us their first rd pick
As a back-up plan its not awful from a flyer standpoint. The problem is we punt on free agency the following year.
Look at Jimmy Butler when he went to Miami. You don’t need to have cap space to get the best free agents. Just draft assets. The top free agents will go where they want regardless of who has cap space. Using the space this year essentially just puts us out of the running of the second tier or lower guys in 2022.
I will say this until draft day; unless there’s a big opportunity during the draft to acquire a star, use 19 on the best player available that fits a need and move pick 21 for a future first rounder. Kick the can down the road and keep the pool of assets large. Then use the cap space to get better now. Every year cap space becomes less valuable and draft picks become more valuable. We need to stay in front of that.
If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
I don't know how your thought process works but reality doesn't unfold like that
Do better man, you are constantly just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing if it sticks
Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we can’t get one of Ball, Dinwiddie or Lavine yes. We can even get theCeltics to give us their first rd pick
As a back-up plan its not awful from a flyer standpoint. The problem is we punt on free agency the following year.
Look at Jimmy Butler when he went to Miami. You don’t need to have cap space to get the best free agents. Just draft assets. The top free agents will go where they want regardless of who has cap space. Using the space this year essentially just puts us out of the running of the second tier or lower guys in 2022.
I will say this until draft day; unless there’s a big opportunity during the draft to acquire a star, use 19 on the best player available that fits a need and move pick 21 for a future first rounder. Kick the can down the road and keep the pool of assets large. Then use the cap space to get better now. Every year cap space becomes less valuable and draft picks become more valuable. We need to stay in front of that.
If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
That ain't happening. Volume won't get you that high in the lottery.
Philc1 wrote:If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
If you want a Cade, you tank last season and hope the lottery bounces your way. We are not getting Cade unless he either proves not to be worth it, or the team that drafts him mucks it up big time four years from now. In other words, we are not getting Cade. But we have our respectability, yeeepeee!!!
ESOMKnicks wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
If you want a Cade, you tank last season and hope the lottery bounces your way. We are not getting Cade unless he either proves not to be worth it, or the team that drafts him mucks it up big time four years from now. In other words, we are not getting Cade. But we have our respectability, yeeepeee!!!
Only one team gets Cade. I'll take respectability over a fart in the wind.
ESOMKnicks wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
If you want a Cade, you tank last season and hope the lottery bounces your way. We are not getting Cade unless he either proves not to be worth it, or the team that drafts him mucks it up big time four years from now. In other words, we are not getting Cade. But we have our respectability, yeeepeee!!!
Not necessarily true. We have tanked multiple seasons in recent years the best we did was the #3 pick overall. If we trade with any team in the lottery we have a shot at Cade
Philc1 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
If you want a Cade, you tank last season and hope the lottery bounces your way. We are not getting Cade unless he either proves not to be worth it, or the team that drafts him mucks it up big time four years from now. In other words, we are not getting Cade. But we have our respectability, yeeepeee!!!
Not necessarily true. We have tanked multiple seasons in recent years the best we did was the #3 pick overall. If we trade with any team in the lottery we have a shot at Cade
NBA Draft Lottery is June 22. A little more than a week from now.
Let us know when you think trades can start happening.
Philc1 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Philc1 wrote:If we get the Celtics pick which I believe is 17th overall we have 3x first round picks this year. We could possibly use the 3 picks to trade up and get into the draft lottery to possibly get Cade
If you want a Cade, you tank last season and hope the lottery bounces your way. We are not getting Cade unless he either proves not to be worth it, or the team that drafts him mucks it up big time four years from now. In other words, we are not getting Cade. But we have our respectability, yeeepeee!!!
Not necessarily true. We have tanked multiple seasons in recent years the best we did was the #3 pick overall. If we trade with any team in the lottery we have a shot at Cade
I doubt very seriously anybody is going to trade picks until after the lottery. At this point it would be foolish for a lottery team to trade it's pick before knowing where it will land.
Back to the original question--NO! Not only would I not trade for Kemba, the only way I'd want him on the team is if we got something additional to soften the blow.
