Knicks · Every teams Mount Rushmore (page 1)

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What I got from this is that every team doesn’t have Mt Rushmore.
3 of 4 for the Knicks pretty obvious. Patrick, Walt, and Willis,

No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

Not really. Wilt's best year's weren't with the Lakers. I think Shaq has a better case than Wilt.

For us, I would replace Melo with Bernard. King's '84 season trumps anything Melo ever did for us.

Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Wilt shows up on the warriors list. I suspect he does again for the 76ers given the incredible 1968 season!

I know Jrod will squirm to dilute Melo off the list and it not easy to do so.
Who replaces him? Oak was here for many great seasons but was a role player for Ewing. Few players can touch MElo statistically. H20 played meaningful games but the 1999 team was not dominated by one player.
Debusschre was all too important for the era and multi year allstar but Melo adding to his HOF stats for 7 productive years.
King was not here long enough. Earl was a great knick but his legend was in Baltimore. Bradley was too a role player for a great team.
Until RJ fulfills his potential melo is firmly on the mt.

BTW, Denver could have Dan Issel instead of Fat Lever?
Bulls forget Bob Love contribution to the team early on?

fan written article, suffers from what appears to be recency bias and perhaps odd criteria. earl monroe makes neither wash or nyk lists? i take monroe for wash over wall easy.

Knicks - Frazier, Bernard King, Ewing

Nets - Kidd, Dr J, Petrovic

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

How old is the author? 18?

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

How old is the author? 18?

Look at Wilt tenure with the Lakers and compare it with Shaq's. No, he got it right. Wilt shouldn't be on the Lakers Mt. Rushmore ahead of Shaq, who also didn't make it.

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

This is where you can't be a slave to stats, especially cumulative stats. I have always been more partial to short term greatness versus longer term goodness.

Melo did what King did? Did Melo ever average over 42 points per game (with a 60% fg percentage) for an entire playoff series? Did Melo every put up 44 pts/12 reb in a series deciding win or go home playoff game? Did Melo ever carry to team to a game 7 against an eventual world championship team who had four hall of famers (Bird, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson)? Actually, in both years King led us to the playoffs we were taken out by the eventual world champs. In 1983 we were swept by the Moses/Dr. J Sixers.

I'm sorry but I think King's 1984 season carries more weight than Melo's accumulation of points in mostly meaningless games. And this is coming from someone who is a not a Melo hater. You can certainly make a case for Melo, but I'm going with King.

No Kiki for Denver?

Welpee wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

This is where you can't be a slave to stats, especially cumulative stats. I have always been more partial to short term greatness versus longer term goodness.

Melo did what King did? Did Melo ever average over 42 points per game (with a 60% fg percentage) for an entire playoff series? Did Melo every put up 44 pts/12 reb in a series deciding win or go home playoff game? Did Melo ever carry to team to a game 7 against an eventual world championship team who had four hall of famers (Bird, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson)? Actually, in both years King led us to the playoffs we were taken out by the eventual world champs. In 1983 we were swept by the Moses/Dr. J Sixers.

I'm sorry but I think King's 1984 season carries more weight than Melo's accumulation of points in mostly meaningless games. And this is coming from someone who is a not a Melo hater. You can certainly make a case for Melo, but I'm going with King.

Interesting, this is what I love about this board. You say not to be a slave to stats, but then you quote stats.

Was King ever close to being MVP of the league? Did King ever carry the dregs of the earth to the playoffs after pretty much a decade in the tank? (Please don't talk about IT and Starbles "Welcome back", it's painful to even think about that "era") Did King win a Division? Did King go to the playoffs more than twice? They both went to the playoffs, and lost in the semis. Overall, they did the same thing, even if King's first round wins were series of only best of 3 or 5.

And you're right, we could do this all day. And I guarantee you, I lived and died with BK's Knick teams.

IMHO, if you take the micro-approach of short-term greatness to it's nth degree, you could make a case for Lin being on the mountain.

jrodmc wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

This is where you can't be a slave to stats, especially cumulative stats. I have always been more partial to short term greatness versus longer term goodness.

Melo did what King did? Did Melo ever average over 42 points per game (with a 60% fg percentage) for an entire playoff series? Did Melo every put up 44 pts/12 reb in a series deciding win or go home playoff game? Did Melo ever carry to team to a game 7 against an eventual world championship team who had four hall of famers (Bird, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson)? Actually, in both years King led us to the playoffs we were taken out by the eventual world champs. In 1983 we were swept by the Moses/Dr. J Sixers.

I'm sorry but I think King's 1984 season carries more weight than Melo's accumulation of points in mostly meaningless games. And this is coming from someone who is a not a Melo hater. You can certainly make a case for Melo, but I'm going with King.

Interesting, this is what I love about this board. You say not to be a slave to stats, but then you quote stats.

Was King ever close to being MVP of the league? Did King ever carry the dregs of the earth to the playoffs after pretty much a decade in the tank? (Please don't talk about IT and Starbles "Welcome back", it's painful to even think about that "era") Did King win a Division? Did King go to the playoffs more than twice? They both went to the playoffs, and lost in the semis. Overall, they did the same thing, even if King's first round wins were series of only best of 3 or 5.

And you're right, we could do this all day. And I guarantee you, I lived and died with BK's Knick teams.

IMHO, if you take the micro-approach of short-term greatness to it's nth degree, you could make a case for Lin being on the mountain.

1) King was runner up to Bird in the 1984 MVP voting.
2) Actually STAT was the guy that turned the corner for the franchise. Melo took over when he arrived and STAT broke down.
3) So one extra first round exit really tipped the scale for you?
4) I can I guarantee you, I lived and died with BK's Knicks...with the McAdoo/Haywood Knicks...with the Michael Ray Richardson/Ray Williams Knicks...all the way down to the championships when I first began paying attention to sports.
5) Sure, why not take it down to the great game 44 pt. game Nate Robinson had against the Hawks if you want to exaggerate what I said to make a point.

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

Melo never lead the entire league in scoring for an entire regular season

And that was despite him taking a bazillion shots per night for his entire tenure here

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

How old is the author? 18?

Look at Wilt tenure with the Lakers and compare it with Shaq's. No, he got it right. Wilt shouldn't be on the Lakers Mt. Rushmore ahead of Shaq, who also didn't make it.

Wilt is the all time nba leader in rebounds and also has the only game of 100 points scored ever

But yeah everything is about rings right? If that’s the case Robert Horry and Steve Kerr should be on multiple teams’ Mount Rushmores

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

How old is the author? 18?

Look at Wilt tenure with the Lakers and compare it with Shaq's. No, he got it right. Wilt shouldn't be on the Lakers Mt. Rushmore ahead of Shaq, who also didn't make it.

Wilt is the all time nba leader in rebounds and also has the only game of 100 points scored ever

But yeah everything is about rings right? If that’s the case Robert Horry and Steve Kerr should be on multiple teams’ Mount Rushmores

I interpret the Mr. Rushmore being what the player did when they played for a particular team. So for Wilt it's not his entire career accomplishments but what he accomplished strictly as a Laker.

jrodmc wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

This is where you can't be a slave to stats, especially cumulative stats. I have always been more partial to short term greatness versus longer term goodness.

Melo did what King did? Did Melo ever average over 42 points per game (with a 60% fg percentage) for an entire playoff series? Did Melo every put up 44 pts/12 reb in a series deciding win or go home playoff game? Did Melo ever carry to team to a game 7 against an eventual world championship team who had four hall of famers (Bird, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson)? Actually, in both years King led us to the playoffs we were taken out by the eventual world champs. In 1983 we were swept by the Moses/Dr. J Sixers.

I'm sorry but I think King's 1984 season carries more weight than Melo's accumulation of points in mostly meaningless games. And this is coming from someone who is a not a Melo hater. You can certainly make a case for Melo, but I'm going with King.

Interesting, this is what I love about this board. You say not to be a slave to stats, but then you quote stats.

Was King ever close to being MVP of the league? Did King ever carry the dregs of the earth to the playoffs after pretty much a decade in the tank? (Please don't talk about IT and Starbles "Welcome back", it's painful to even think about that "era") Did King win a Division? Did King go to the playoffs more than twice? They both went to the playoffs, and lost in the semis. Overall, they did the same thing, even if King's first round wins were series of only best of 3 or 5.

And you're right, we could do this all day. And I guarantee you, I lived and died with BK's Knick teams.

IMHO, if you take the micro-approach of short-term greatness to it's nth degree, you could make a case for Lin being on the mountain.

Well if I just gave you a narrative why King should be ranked ahead of Melo you'd no doubt counter with stats, so doesn't leave much choice.

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Bernard was my choice for the 4th member of our Mt. Rushmore too.

Only Knick to ever lead the league in PPG for the entire season

Entire season? while blowing out his knee... As Nalod said, kind of difficult to give BK a spot for two full seasons. And I love BK; if he had stayed healthy and was part of the Ewing years, things would most likely have been different.

Melo holds the record for most points at MSG by a Knick. He did what BK did, only for a longer period, with decidedly less playing next to him. BK did have Scott Hastings, though.

Melo never lead the entire league in scoring for an entire regular season

And that was despite him taking a bazillion shots per night for his entire tenure here

Lots of qualifications there but Melo tops 2012-13 at 28.7 ppg for the league

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:No Mt Rushmore for Wilt from the Lakers. Head scratcher.

How old is the author? 18?

Look at Wilt tenure with the Lakers and compare it with Shaq's. No, he got it right. Wilt shouldn't be on the Lakers Mt. Rushmore ahead of Shaq, who also didn't make it.

Wilt is the all time nba leader in rebounds and also has the only game of 100 points scored ever

But yeah everything is about rings right? If that’s the case Robert Horry and Steve Kerr should be on multiple teams’ Mount Rushmores

I interpret the Mr. Rushmore being what the player did when they played for a particular team. So for Wilt it's not his entire career accomplishments but what he accomplished strictly as a Laker.

If Wilt and Abdul Jabbar don’t do what they did in LA I doubt Shaq goes there in 1996