Knicks · 2021 NBA Free Agency (and around the league): Preview and Primer (page 29)

martin @ 8/6/2021 4:21 PM
smackeddog @ 8/6/2021 5:00 PM
I’m presuming we’re done now apart from fathoming out how to keep Pinson? Looking at salaries there’s no way we can trade for Miles Turner as we don’t have the contracts at the moment to match the salary (that was the only remaining rumor)
joec32033 @ 8/6/2021 5:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:I’m presuming we’re done now apart from fathoming out how to keep Pinson? Looking at salaries there’s no way we can trade for Miles Turner as we don’t have the contracts at the moment to match the salary (that was the only remaining rumor)

Mitch, Obi, and Knox for Turner work salary wise for Turner on realgm.

BigDaddyG @ 8/6/2021 5:53 PM
martin wrote:

Joe Johnson, Garnet, Pierce...they never learn.

LivingLegend @ 8/6/2021 6:34 PM
smackeddog wrote:I’m presuming we’re done now apart from fathoming out how to keep Pinson? Looking at salaries there’s no way we can trade for Miles Turner as we don’t have the contracts at the moment to match the salary (that was the only remaining rumor)

Not sure but I thought we could extend Mitch without impacting our CAP limit and then throw him in a trade.

Maybe something like Mitch signs 4 $48M (12 per) ~~ then Knicks move Mitch/Knox and say a future #1 (maybe next years Charlotte).

Not sure if above is possible but thought that is how deal centered around Mitch/Turner would go down.

Philc1 @ 8/6/2021 9:12 PM
Nets will be begging us to take on Durant’s contract in 3 years
Philc1 @ 8/6/2021 9:16 PM
smackeddog wrote:I’m presuming we’re done now apart from fathoming out how to keep Pinson? Looking at salaries there’s no way we can trade for Miles Turner as we don’t have the contracts at the moment to match the salary (that was the only remaining rumor)

Keeping Theo is a thing?

Philc1 @ 8/6/2021 9:18 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:

Joe Johnson, Garnet, Pierce...they never learn.

In 3 years when Kyrie is in a mental asylum, Harden with the Lakers and KD is 35 and taking 60 games a year off I’ll be loving this move

gradyandrew @ 8/7/2021 2:14 AM
KD is worth every penny. Bizarre that a former MVP and Finals MVP actually had a higher ceiling to hit. Playoff KD in God Mode is the best player I think we have ever seen. Just feet a size too long.
BigDaddyG @ 8/7/2021 1:02 PM
Theo gone You got yourselves a good one Milwaukee! Take care of our boy!
gradyandrew @ 8/8/2021 3:13 AM
NBA is investigating the Bulls， Raptors and Heat. I thought it was weird they hadn't announced the lowry trade yet， I guess we now know why. I think the Pelicans have a strong case here.
smackeddog @ 8/8/2021 4:13 AM
gradyandrew wrote:NBA is investigating the Bulls， Raptors and Heat. I thought it was weird they hadn't announced the lowry trade yet， I guess we now know why. I think the Pelicans have a strong case here.

Why do teams rush out an announcement/leak out to Woj that they've reached a deal almost immediately after free agency starts, doesn't it just make it seem really obvious tampering has taken place for no real gain?

Remember years ago when Stern cancelled that Miami signing of Juwan Howard or someone and he ended up signing roughly the same deal with his current team at the time (the Wizards)- wasn't sure at the time if Miami had done wrong or if Stern was just reacting to the Washington backlash. Was a bad contract in the end!

franco12 @ 8/8/2021 6:39 AM
smackeddog wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:NBA is investigating the Bulls， Raptors and Heat. I thought it was weird they hadn't announced the lowry trade yet， I guess we now know why. I think the Pelicans have a strong case here.

Why do teams rush out an announcement/leak out to Woj that they've reached a deal almost immediately after free agency starts, doesn't it just make it seem really obvious tampering has taken place for no real gain?

Remember years ago when Stern cancelled that Miami signing of Juwan Howard or someone and he ended up signing roughly the same deal with his current team at the time (the Wizards)- wasn't sure at the time if Miami had done wrong or if Stern was just reacting to the Washington backlash. Was a bad contract in the end!

I assume this is happening because- can’t teams talk to agents of their own players? And if that agent reps someone else, isn’t almost hard not to talk about things related to them?

I think they have to just make some changes, and acknowledge these kinds of things are going to happen.

Philc1 @ 8/8/2021 10:26 AM
joec32033 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I’m presuming we’re done now apart from fathoming out how to keep Pinson? Looking at salaries there’s no way we can trade for Miles Turner as we don’t have the contracts at the moment to match the salary (that was the only remaining rumor)

Mitch, Obi, and Knox for Turner work salary wise for Turner on realgm.

Pacers want RJ

No way

Philc1 @ 8/8/2021 10:29 AM
smackeddog wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:NBA is investigating the Bulls， Raptors and Heat. I thought it was weird they hadn't announced the lowry trade yet， I guess we now know why. I think the Pelicans have a strong case here.

Why do teams rush out an announcement/leak out to Woj that they've reached a deal almost immediately after free agency starts, doesn't it just make it seem really obvious tampering has taken place for no real gain?

Remember years ago when Stern cancelled that Miami signing of Juwan Howard or someone and he ended up signing roughly the same deal with his current team at the time (the Wizards)- wasn't sure at the time if Miami had done wrong or if Stern was just reacting to the Washington backlash. Was a bad contract in the end!

The NBA voided the Howard contract with the Heat because it violated the salary cap at the time. I think that was 1997.


Who knows how Woj is getting these stories. It could be some idiot in the player’s entourage selling info for cash.


Glad to see the nba actually enforcing its rules and not just against the Knicks this time. It’s very rare when I compliment Adam Silver but I will this time

Philc1 @ 8/8/2021 10:31 AM
Marv wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Lakers fans. Can't think of a fan base with their heads more up their asses. All those guys are worse than Fournier and maybe one of those guys, maybe two if you want to count Melo, make our squad.

Would u rather have those 7 lakers for 15M this year or kemba and rose for 22M?

That guy is actually bragging about the lakers signing Wayne f cking Ellington!?!!?


And Dwight Howard might have been a good signing 15 years ago?

Clean @ 8/8/2021 3:23 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Lakers fans. Can't think of a fan base with their heads more up their asses. All those guys are worse than Fournier and maybe one of those guys, maybe two if you want to count Melo, make our squad.

Would u rather have those 7 lakers for 15M this year or kemba and rose for 22M?

That guy is actually bragging about the lakers signing Wayne f cking Ellington!?!!?


And Dwight Howard might have been a good signing 15 years ago?

Howard is a great backup Center.

ESOMKnicks @ 8/8/2021 5:54 PM
Clean wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:

Would u rather have those 7 lakers for 15M this year or kemba and rose for 22M?

That guy is actually bragging about the lakers signing Wayne f cking Ellington!?!!?


And Dwight Howard might have been a good signing 15 years ago?

Howard is a great backup Center.

That's right. Plus, they have LeBron, AD and now Westbrook. They have the right to brag. If hypothetically offered the opportunity to trade Randle-RJ-Kemba for LeBron-AD-RW, who on this thread would say the Knicks should turn it down?

EwingsGlass @ 8/8/2021 8:40 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Clean wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:

Would u rather have those 7 lakers for 15M this year or kemba and rose for 22M?

That guy is actually bragging about the lakers signing Wayne f cking Ellington!?!!?


And Dwight Howard might have been a good signing 15 years ago?

Howard is a great backup Center.

That's right. Plus, they have LeBron, AD and now Westbrook. They have the right to brag. If hypothetically offered the opportunity to trade Randle-RJ-Kemba for LeBron-AD-RW, who on this thread would say the Knicks should turn it down?

You are comparing $40mm of salary to $116mm of salary. Kind of an apples to oranges argument.

As much as I dislike him and his super friend mentality, he is the best basketball player of this generation AND plays with a certain kind of agelessness that makes it hard to predict whether he will falter this year or 5 years from now. There is no one on our team that compares in value or talent.

AD has youth and dominance that we hope Randle can match over time, but Randle doesn’t have the same body type. In a vacuum, no emotion, you probably take AD over Randle - though injury history might be enough to call it a push flight Randle shows up again this year.

Westbrook vs Kemba favors Westbrook from a stats perspective and a health perspective. I just question Westbrook’s fit on any team. In a 1 on 1 tournament or. 3 on 3 with 2 shills, I think Westbrook outperforms. I just wonder how his usage rate affects anyone near him on a team. Hard to believe that Washington and Celtics missed a conversation on Kemba for Brodie at full price. At full price, which team said no? I’m guessing because of injury history, Westbrook wins over Kemba. We have to expect he will miss 20+ games. At his best, Kemba isn’t as good as Westbrook’s athleticism. But Kemba is a more rounded player (read: Shoots better). At $8mm, he is a steal for us. I wouldn’t have been as excited at $41mm.

So, the big difference is the $70mm or so of salary differential. Lakers make this up in Vet Min contracts. Understated values.

It’s hard to fully compete in this super friends (fiends?) environment. Figure we just keep building and trying to turn heads.

So, wouldn’t turn that trade down. Just don’t see it as a viable alternative.

Nalod @ 8/10/2021 8:19 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Marv wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Lakers fans. Can't think of a fan base with their heads more up their asses. All those guys are worse than Fournier and maybe one of those guys, maybe two if you want to count Melo, make our squad.

Would u rather have those 7 lakers for 15M this year or kemba and rose for 22M?

That guy is actually bragging about the lakers signing Wayne f cking Ellington!?!!?


And Dwight Howard might have been a good signing 15 years ago?

Its a nice brand name haul for the money to support a trio of HOF MVP’s in its quest to win now.
So basically from that list you object to Ellington the most?

Howard as a back up is a good role at this age for 15 min.
I’m glad Melo hooked up with them. Not saying I’m on board for another Laker title but if it does thats a good thing for him.

28 year old Fournier getting kick outs from Randle and RJ will take a lot of heat off. They have to respect him and Randle should have more room. The trio of Rose, Evan and Kemba with the yoots is a good balance. IQ will see time. Don’t be suprised to see kemba held out until January. I’m guessing Grimes wont be in rotation and McBride will see Frank limited type minutes. Injuries will happen and he’ll see some time. IQ and Randle can handle a lot of “PG” type duties.
Let’s not count out RJ as playmaker. This is something he has to add to his game if he is to reach the type of starphuch potential we need. We need to grow our own type than chase others who are under long term deals.

NBA “looking into” tampering is not to be celebrated until something is done. I dig silver but don’t expect much out of it. Thinking I doubt they will walk back the deal unless another team highly protests and damage was done. If not expect it to be kept in house. Thats how they work. If egregious perhaps a fine and 2nd round pick awarded.
As said, not sure league can really do much about this until they punish players too. Ball wanted out of NOLA and Pels were forced into sign and trade or match the salary. are they upset they did not have proper time to get Lowrey? Basically they wanted CP3 or Lowrey and came up without Ball. There is a curious timeline but they could match Ball?
Did Leon even try to get Ball?
Seems Leon does not want to marry certain guys. He wants players that can be traded if need be.

Kudos to THjr for getting another 75mil 4 year deal. Not far from what Fournier got from us.

gradyandrew @ 8/10/2021 9:12 AM
SPN’s Ramona Shelburne reported as much last week when she said:

The Sixers could also bring him back and try again if they can’t get a Lillard or a Beal at the moment, but it also appears that maybe Simmons doesn’t want to come back. Per Ramona Shelburne on ESPN’s The Jump: The Sixers are open to bringing him back. In a lot of ways, I think they would prefer that. I think they would prefer to say we don’t want totrade this guy who can win the Defensive Player of the Year, who is a young superstar in the making. Just come back and let’s let’s work on this, but it doesn’t seem like there’s a bridge there that is being walked across by both sides like that. I don’t know if Ben Simmons has that interest right now because things were said afterwards. After the season, Doc Rivers said some things, Joel Embiid said some things. I know there’s been trying to smoothing out of that relationship, but it doesn’t seem like Ben is necessarily interested in that right now.

Good for Ben just like good for Harden. When you're franchise starts screwing with you it's time to go. For Houston，they quibbled with Mike DAntoni and brought him back for a lame duck season， as if a 2nd round flameout was his fault for an MVP not dipping into lux tax territory. Ben Simmons has had to deal with Embiid ego and then got blamed by Doc for his shitty coaching. Time to free Ben.

Sacramento seems to be a good fit. Between Fox， Hield， Halliburton， and rookie they have the guys to get a deal done. Simmons strikes me as a Luke Walton type guy.

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