Knicks · 2021 NBA Free Agency (and around the league): Preview and Primer (page 8)

smackeddog @ 8/1/2021 5:22 PM

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

smackeddog @ 8/1/2021 5:35 PM
NYKMentality @ 8/1/2021 6:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Why would we trade anything of value for him?

A.) He's led Cleveland as a starting PG to 3 consecutive losing tank season of 19-63, 19-46 and 22-50 = 63-159 (.396%).

B.) He plays atrocious Defense (worse than Damian Lillard type bad).

C.) He's disliked by his own Cleveland teammates and was called out as being a selfish ball hog (who no one wants to play with).

D.) He's an absolute ball-hog with a career average of only 3.4 assists per game and who's also the complete opposite of what our key players such as Immanuel Quickley/R.J. Barrett/Julius Randle/Mitchell Robinson need in order to absolutely flourish (a selfish "PG" who's not pass first but rather chuck first/shoot last).

E.) Cleveland is already QUITTING ON HIM only 3 years later after drafting him 8th overall (and I'm sorry but you don't QUIT on a future "All-Star" only 3 years later).

I'd give nothing of value for this overrated ESPN media hype I wouldn't even waste a 2nd round pick on him when we just drafted Miles McBride as a potential future PG.

On a side note. Bye-bye Frank Ntilikina (another 8th overall BUST) who NY just quit on (and who's doing absolutely nothingness for team France).

Collin Sexton is pure trash; and that's why Cleveland wants to QUIT on him (already).


ramtour420 @ 8/1/2021 6:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

Ok now. That narrows it down. We need Sexton!! Get it done !! I would be ok with Lonzo as the consolidation price too

Jimbo5 @ 8/1/2021 7:12 PM
A disturbing image in my head, as the knickspg target being taken off the board one by onea big smile on the face of a man sitting in his livingroom expecting a call from the knicks... Alfrid Payton!!!

No.....!

Any chance the rose relationship can work for the knicks and convince CP3 to sign with the knicks?

EwingsGlass @ 8/1/2021 7:26 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Lowry a Miami Heat?

Good.

This means Duncan Robinson is 100% becoming a KNICK!

Isn't he restricted? Can't the heat just match?

Yes. They can just match.


But that'll put them over the salary cap space and in salary cap hell;


With no ability to sign other NBA FA's.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/c...

Not sure why you think they will be over the hard cap by this potential S&T. Riley isn’t a dummy. Chances are Dragic is intended to be a S&T with Toronto.

EwingsGlass @ 8/1/2021 7:33 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

Ok now. That narrows it down. We need Sexton!! Get it done !! I would be ok with Lonzo as the consolidation price too

They have to do something with LaMelo, Frazier, Graham, Bouknight — that’s a lot of positional value even if moving some of these guys to off ball SG. Betting on Graham means they should move Frazier. It makes complete sense to give Graham the QO, let’s see if they walk into the season with these 4 guards. Regardless, Monk is out. I’d take a flyer on him with this UK family.

martin @ 8/1/2021 8:50 PM
martin @ 8/1/2021 8:57 PM
As of this morn but I think they have been tweaked just a bit

Philc1 @ 8/1/2021 9:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

Elf and Rose will both be back next season. Sorry guys.

EwingsGlass @ 8/1/2021 9:30 PM
Philc1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

Elf and Rose will both be back next season. Sorry guys.

We always knew Graham would be an RFA. The question was always how much they are willing to pay LaMelo’s backup. Especially after they drafted Bouknight

NYKMentality @ 8/1/2021 9:33 PM
Philc1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Man, the pg options are looking sparse! Maybe our best hope will be via a trade

Elf and Rose will both be back next season. Sorry guys.


How do you figure? Elfrid Payton is no longer on our roster and there is a 0.00% chance our FO signs him as a Free Agent especially considering the fact our coach Thibs benched him and refused to play him during the playoffs.

(Even Elfrid's own mom seen the writing on the wall).

There is 0% chance Elfrid Payton is a Knicks PG 2021-2022....

martin @ 8/1/2021 9:46 PM
Knicksfan @ 8/1/2021 10:28 PM
Clean wrote:I don't think we are signing any of those names unless they are willing to take a 1 year deal for more money. Reports keep saying we are keeping cap space open for next year. So multi year deals can't happen. A few of those guys will not be willing to do that. That is why even though I wanted Lonzo he was never an option.

Yeah, a part of me believes this. Another one thinks they know that they have to bring someone or risk taking many steps back this season.

I’m very curious what their response will be.

martin @ 8/1/2021 10:36 PM
FYI

martin @ 8/1/2021 10:36 PM
LivingLegend @ 8/1/2021 11:00 PM
martin wrote:

The Turner for Mitch move is the one I’ve been waiting on but wonder if Indy lost interest once they grabbed I Jackson in draft.

One issue I’ve heard is Turner is not good on pick/roll or around basket but obviously can shoot with some range.

Would love to swap Mitch for Turner tbh - just don’t trust Mitch in my stomach.

Jimbo5 @ 8/1/2021 11:08 PM
With the news that the knicks are trying hard trade for Myles Turner, my dream offseason will be trading for Turner signing Kahwi and if Leon can swing a frendly rate for CP3 and try to sign Melo to a stop gap 1 yr deal while Kahwi is rehabing for the year. Our starting line up can be:

Turner
Randle
This year(Melo) next year Kahwi
RJ
Cp3

NYKMentality @ 8/1/2021 11:23 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
The Turner for Mitch move is the one Ive been waiting on but wonder if Indy lost interest once they grabbed I Jackson in draft.

One issue Ive heard is Turner is not good on pick/roll or around basket but obviously can shoot with some range.

Would love to swap Mitch for Turner tbh - just dont trust Mitch in my stomach.

Heck no.

Myles Turner is heading into his 7th NBA season and has literally not improved dating back to his rookie season. Not one bit. And he's actually gotten worse.


2016 (2nd season):
14.5 Points, 7.3 Rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.3 Assists and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .511% and 3PT% of .348%.

2020 (6th season):
12.6 points, 6.5 rebounds, 3.4 blocks, 1.0 Assists and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .477% and 3PT% of .335%.

No thank you.


Yeah this guy shoots 3 pointers and Mitchell Robinson attempted 0 3PT attempts last year but guess what? Myles Turner (thinks he's a 3PT shooter) absolutely STINKS @ shooting and his career average from 3PT range of only .352% doesn't lie and he shot even worse from 3 last year of 2020 @ only .335%.

Mitchell Robinson still has untapped potential but Myles Turner is completely maxed out and has not improved one bit over the years (he's getting worse).

Mitchell Robinson after only 3 years has a Player Efficiency Rating of 21.6.

Myles Turner after now 6 years has a Player Efficiency Rating of only 16.7.

I'd become absolutely DISGUSTED if we threw Mitchell Robinson away for "Myles Turner".


He's such a "DOMINANT" big man but yet his 1st 5 years in the league = 5x 1st round elimination(s) and his 6th year last season of 2020 = No playoffs.

Talk about overrated to the max and with no ability to improve, talk about Myles Turner (himself).

EwingsGlass @ 8/1/2021 11:49 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
The Turner for Mitch move is the one Ive been waiting on but wonder if Indy lost interest once they grabbed I Jackson in draft.

One issue Ive heard is Turner is not good on pick/roll or around basket but obviously can shoot with some range.

Would love to swap Mitch for Turner tbh - just dont trust Mitch in my stomach.

Heck no.

Myles Turner is heading into his 7th NBA season and has literally not improved dating back to his rookie season. Not one bit. And he's actually gotten worse.


2016 (2nd season):
14.5 Points, 7.3 Rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.3 Assists and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .511% and 3PT% of .348%.

2020 (6th season):
12.6 points, 6.5 rebounds, 3.4 blocks, 1.0 Assists and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .477% and 3PT% of .335%.

No thank you.


Yeah this guy shoots 3 pointers and Mitchell Robinson attempted 0 3PT attempts last year but guess what? Myles Turner (thinks he's a 3PT shooter) absolutely STINKS @ shooting and his career average from 3PT range of only .352% doesn't lie and he shot even worse from 3 last year of 2020 @ only .335%.

Mitchell Robinson still has untapped potential but Myles Turner is completely maxed out and has not improved one bit over the years (he's getting worse).

Mitchell Robinson after only 3 years has a Player Efficiency Rating of 21.6.

Myles Turner after now 6 years has a Player Efficiency Rating of only 16.7.

I'd become absolutely DISGUSTED if we threw Mitchell Robinson away for "Myles Turner".


He's such a "DOMINANT" big man but yet his 1st 5 years in the league = 5x 1st round elimination(s) and his 6th year last season of 2020 = No playoffs.

Talk about overrated to the max and with no ability to improve, talk about Myles Turner (himself).

I believe you are looking at the wrong stats. You probably wouldn’t want Rudy Gobert on your team either. Turner leads the league in blocks per game and is pretty well regarded as one of the tougher man defenders in the league at C.

Turner is what we want Robinson to be. Robinson’s injury history draws into question whether he will remain healthy long term.

Comparing PER isn’t really fair. PER is highly skewed by usage rate and gets hammered by a low eFG. That is, Turner’s willingness to take a 3 or an 18 foot jumper hurts his PER. Barrett has a 13.9 PER after 2 years and most on this board wouldn’t trade him for anything.

Robinson booked a 70% FG% season by not taking shots more than 2 feet from the basket. That’s highly efficient and generally I would applaud that kind of efficiency for the Knicks, but this season his PER dropped not because he is a worse player or had a worse season, but because the box outs take a toll on PER because they do t show up in the money stats. So, Robinson drops rebounds to Randle and Barrett with his box out and he doesn’t get PER boost for it. Robinson’s PER goes down. Now he looks more like Turner. But lower money stats.

Doesn’t defeat the point. They are similar players at 16mm less for Robinson this year. I don’t see Turner as a trade for Robinson so much as a pairing that gives more similar coverage in the 10 man rotation.

LivingLegend @ 8/2/2021 1:00 AM
I prefer Turner - his career 35% 3p fg% and elite rim protection.

He’s not perfect - few bigs are but I don’t trust Mitch to improve or stay healthy (kid is a nut job).

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