Knicks · Anyone still not big on this off-season? (page 2)

martin wrote:

But we got hosed in the KP trade!

It was one of the best moves ever - I was on board trading him when it wasn't popular. Don't know if Phil Jacksons trade & subsequent moves would have paid off better, but we sure did well with that move and subsequent moves - a change from when we were trading picks away for Eddy Curry & his ilk!

OUTGOING

none

INCOMING:

2022 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2022, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to New York [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to New York (via Philadelphia to L.A. Clippers to Minnesota) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Minnesota, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]

2023 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Milwaukee will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick to New York [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020]

martin wrote:Picks summary https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/...

OUTGOING

none

INCOMING:

2022 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2022, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to New York [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to New York (via Philadelphia to L.A. Clippers to Minnesota) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Minnesota, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]

2023 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Milwaukee will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick to New York [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020]

Wow

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Picks summary https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/...

OUTGOING

none

INCOMING:

2022 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2022, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to New York [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to New York (via Philadelphia to L.A. Clippers to Minnesota) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Minnesota, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]

2023 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Milwaukee will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick to New York [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020]

Wow

this is so the opposite of what this franchise did for the first 20 years or so of Dolan owning it. We're almost up there with OKC!

BigDaddyG wrote:Still no Theo...I'll have to take the plus away and just grade this an A.

Have to hope he joins Sims on a 2-way contract.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

But we got hosed in the KP trade!

It was one of the best moves ever - I was on board trading him when it wasn't popular. Don't know if Phil Jacksons trade & subsequent moves would have paid off better, but we sure did well with that move and subsequent moves - a change from when we were trading picks away for Eddy Curry & his ilk!

So the Marcus Morris trade gave us Quickley, McBride, and Rokas. Not bad at all. I wanted to keep him but that is great return.

BigDaddyG wrote:Still no Theo...I'll have to take the plus away and just grade this an A.

SAME. Good call

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

But we got hosed in the KP trade!

It was one of the best moves ever - I was on board trading him when it wasn't popular. Don't know if Phil Jacksons trade & subsequent moves would have paid off better, but we sure did well with that move and subsequent moves - a change from when we were trading picks away for Eddy Curry & his ilk!

I believe the only reason why KP wanted out is because he caught that rape allegation and wanted out because of it. But yeah I had a lot of emotional attachment because my daughters grandparents are both born and raised in Latvia and during his rookie season we got to meet him during shoot around during the Orlando Magic game and then after the game he spent over an hour talking about Latvia to my daughters Grandma I didn't know what they were saying in Latvian lol but it was awesome. He was just so happy to see someone from Latvia. A Country no one makes it out of. As soon as he heard my daughters Grandma speaking Latvian to him he immediately stopped warning up and came over to her and let her know where to meet him after the game it was pretty cool man. But yeah. I'm glad we traded him because we received excellent value in return but I can't lie, all those nights watching KP and the Knicks with my wife, my daughter and her grandma were moments I'll cherish forever.

NYKMentality wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

But we got hosed in the KP trade!

It was one of the best moves ever - I was on board trading him when it wasn't popular. Don't know if Phil Jacksons trade & subsequent moves would have paid off better, but we sure did well with that move and subsequent moves - a change from when we were trading picks away for Eddy Curry & his ilk!

I believe the only reason why KP wanted out is because he caught that rape allegation and wanted out because of it. But yeah I had a lot of emotional attachment because my daughters grandparents are both born and raised in Latvia and during his rookie season we got to meet him during shoot around during the Orlando Magic game and then after the game he spent over an hour talking about Latvia to my daughters Grandma I didn't know what they were saying in Latvian lol but it was awesome. He was just so happy to see someone from Latvia. A Country no one makes it out of. As soon as he heard my daughters Grandma speaking Latvian to him he immediately stopped warning up and came over to her and let her know where to meet him after the game it was pretty cool man. But yeah. I'm glad we traded him because we received excellent value in return but I can't lie, all those nights watching KP and the Knicks with my wife, my daughter and her grandma were moments I'll cherish forever.

Don't worry. Rokas will be over soon to replace any lingering feelings for the Unigone

Knixkik wrote:I think before today the off-season was best described as boring, vanilla etc, with moderate improvement. It wasn't good or bad to me, it was just fine. Most seemed very underwhelmed, and expected more. The common theme the day going into free agency was the most likely scenario was probably Fournier/Schroder or a similar combination. Adding Kemba came completely out of left field, and the mood here has done a complete 180. We expected another shoe to drop, but this was a shock. While we don't know if Kemba will be the star level player he once was, his contract will limit any real concerns, as well as the guard depth. We got the combination of Rose/Kemba for less than Ball (as well as DeRozan on his own.) Adding Kemba and Fournier to replace Payton/Bullock, drafting Grimes and McBride (while adding a future 1st rounder from Charlotte) and bringing back the remaining of the core from last year is the home run of home runs when you consider all of which was done within cap space. Additional, each contract is non-guaranteed in the last year. Leon and team have successfully added talent, added youth, maintained continuity from last year's success, and maintained future flexibility with both tradable contracts and future draft picks. The outcome is unknown, but big, big win today!

I couldn't have put it better myself.
Now, that doesn't mean things couldn't have gone better for them. They could've had an impact rookie come off the bench if someone slid and they were able to move up (which they tried). A lot of FAs signed elsewhere, a lot via sign and trade. I'm sure Fournier and Kemba were not the top FA targets. But all things considered, the Knicks did a hell of job IMO.

Kemba/Rose/Quick/McBride
RJ/Burks/Quick
Fournier/Burks/Grimes
Randle/Toppin
Mitch/Noel/Taj

Luca/Rokas
Knox
Pinson
Sims

martin wrote:Reddit

Hehe, that's a good 1, lol

The offseason is a success if Kemba can play 20 strong minutes a night. Otherwise it’s a little underwhelming.

We are likely the 7th seed in the East. Not better than Miami or Chicago. Not better than Atlanta at the moment. The East is a lot better we are going to be battling for the playoffs. Boston and Charlotte should also be better. Going to be interesting.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

But we got hosed in the KP trade!

It was one of the best moves ever - I was on board trading him when it wasn't popular. Don't know if Phil Jacksons trade & subsequent moves would have paid off better, but we sure did well with that move and subsequent moves - a change from when we were trading picks away for Eddy Curry & his ilk!

Boston was offering us Jaylon Brown + picks while know nothing morons like Stephen A Smith and Mike Greenberg were calling Phil a retard for even picking up the phone to listen to offers

MS wrote:I think we my have the best bench in the league this season. Hopefully Thibs doesn’t run Randle and RJ into the ground again.

The offseason is a success if Kemba can play 20 strong minutes a night. Otherwise it’s a little underwhelming.

We are likely the 7th seed in the East. Not better than Miami or Chicago. Not better than Atlanta at the moment. The East is a lot better we are going to be battling for the playoffs. Boston and Charlotte should also be better. Going to be interesting.

Thibs is from the Pat Riley tree where 8 man rotations are a religion

Philc1 wrote:

MS wrote:I think we my have the best bench in the league this season. Hopefully Thibs doesn’t run Randle and RJ into the ground again.

The offseason is a success if Kemba can play 20 strong minutes a night. Otherwise it’s a little underwhelming.

We are likely the 7th seed in the East. Not better than Miami or Chicago. Not better than Atlanta at the moment. The East is a lot better we are going to be battling for the playoffs. Boston and Charlotte should also be better. Going to be interesting.

Thibs is from the Pat Riley tree where 8 man rotations are a religion

Except those years where Thibs plays 10 man rotation like last year?

And Thibs and Riley never play rookies, until they do.

Thibs definitely doesn't play the modern 3pt game, until he did and his team was good at it

MS wrote:I think we my have the best bench in the league this season. Hopefully Thibs doesn’t run Randle and RJ into the ground again.

The offseason is a success if Kemba can play 20 strong minutes a night. Otherwise it’s a little underwhelming.

We are likely the 7th seed in the East. Not better than Miami or Chicago. Not better than Atlanta at the moment. The East is a lot better we are going to be battling for the playoffs. Boston and Charlotte should also be better. Going to be interesting.

Knicks are bringing back a team that was on pace to 50+ over 80 games and upgrade PG, SF and add depth. Knicks have a straight up squad and they have a great bench. They likely lack the elite talent to close vs. Milw or a healthy Bkl but the rest is up for grabs in the east. 7th? GTFO