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KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion.
As I recall, Hornacek told Porzy to stop playing like a p***y, Zinger got mad and skipped the exit interview (where the Knicks were going to ask him to skip EuroBasket due to his health concerns), he ended up injured during the 17-18 season, missed the 18-19 season and was traded in January 19 because he demanded it cause he didn't like how the Knicks were managed and their "dysfunction". Although the FizKnicks were tanking for Zion/Morant/Barrett, Zinger never ended up playing a game that year (for NY or Dallas), meaning his "anti-tankitude" you suggest is unwarranted as he was not in a position to affect outcome.
More specifically, you might argue his issue with the Knicks was more like the September 2017 trade of Carmelo Anthony for Enes Kanter. Rumor being that he had an issue with Melo being traded. Kanter, on the other hand had nothing but positive things to say about Zinger - that is, he thought Zinger was untouchable up to a couple days prior to his trade.
Thing is, the Knicks declined to extend an injured Zinger to his rookie extension 2 months prior to the trade (October 18). Ideally, that move would have opened up 10mm for the Durant/Irving/Leonard free agent class - which the Knicks could have used to add to Zinger. Zinger got annoyed, indicated that he would sign the qualifying offer in the offseason and leave as a FA in 2020.
Knicks traded him pretty quickly thereafter.
You can argue that a winning team doesn't get that same trade demand from KP. I could argue that a healthy Zinger would have been a critical element to a winning team. IMO, an unhealthy Zinger was upset that he didn't get his extension and his amateur brother agent reacted emotionally to get him out of Gotham and down to Dallas. Dallas gives him that extension in June before he hits RFA despite him not playing a game in 18 months.
My takeaways - If Horny thinks he plays like a p***y, man needs to play a little harder. Phil was a great coach in the 1990s but was a bit too Zen and harshed our Melo. That net asset loss to OKC letting a 33 year old Melo go for Kanter was an error. That NY FO has had numerous valuation issues that year (including the THJr contract). Clearing that contract and uncertainty on porzingis migh have cost us that Irving/Durant team up -- though in fairness, that was never certain. BK played themselves into a better position that year to entice these stars.
Re: Morris - he only had a one year contract. There was no certainty the Knicks could/would have re-signed him. Trading him for a 1st at the deadline made plenty of sense. The Knicks had absolutely the same rights to sign him in the offseason that they had to him at the trade deadline. He was a UFA.
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong
"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.
Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.
For us to take a step forward and become a contender, we would need to see the following:
1) Randle continuing to be the Randle he was last season
2) RJ becoming accurate on them turnaround mamba shots
3) Kemba staying healthy
4) Mitch staying healthy and mastering a 10-foot jump shot
5) EF improving on defense
6) Another step forward by OBI and IQ, so they get consistent productive 20 minutes a game each
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.
If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.
Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?
That you would undo the KP deal?
Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.
Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?
You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.
Also, Knicks1248, KP threw his tantrum because the Knicks were not willing to immediately extend him. It was that simple. If the Knicks had been willing to extend him, his fragile butt would have still been here. And given how Dallas seems to be trying to get rid of him, I think the Knicks dodged a major bullet not tying themselves to KP as the “leader” of the team. Randle has been a much more stable and productive main man for the team. The Knicks sucked, you don’t have to keep reminding us. We were all there. The team is better now. Let go of the hate and enjoy our success.
I'm not convinced that Walker is a bigger injury concern than Lowry. Years and mileage add up. Ditto for PJ. Heat look both injury prone and shallow.
Someone has got to explain why the Pelicans were happy to trade players and picks to replace Lonzo Ball with Devonte Graham before I am convinced that he's a game changer. It's a head scratcher， perhaps Pelicans know something we don't. Thad Young seems like a better fit for the Bulls than DeRozan， especially with the picks they gave up.
If you want to give Pistons credit for drafting Cade and BKN credit for resigning KD，fine. Don't forget to congratulate yourself for putting your underwear on before your pants.
The only team I think that really had a better offseason were the Wizards. Over a calendar year they were able to turn the worst contract in NBA history (I don't think it's even close) into a deep and reliable team.
Complaining about trading the Hornets the Kai Jones pick is silly，unless the argument is that they should have drafted Grimes and McBride earlier. That pick was the difference in being able to sign Kemba. OKC had 20 million reasons to cut Kemba when they did.
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
Actions speak louder than words. Gullible and naive to take NBA players or GM’s words to heart. Not that they are lying, its that they have different agendas. KP said all kinds of things that made him look like he loved knicks. We demonize him and Janis but the fact is knicks did not want to give him the contract at that time. It was business.
Things change and quickly. thus if you want to hang on quotes then remember the context of the moment. Your lazy so you don’t do that. You bend narratives to suite your arguement which is far more important than solid contributions to elevate collective thought and interesting conversation. YOu make stupid comments then have to back it up weakly.
So if you vilify Mills and Frank for example your not able to understand that things change and thats not a bad reflection you unless you make proclamations and keep backing it up.
Frank fans wanted frank to succeed. You thought he wouldn’t. OK. We all have opinions. Basking i self gratification over his lack of progress for most fans is seen as a missed opportinity and an asset in decline is not good. Nope, Rainman bragged of his own opinion.
Its why your so loved by many here. Vanity never is a good look for anyone!
Does Nalod bask in the ignorance of knicks1248? It does not make me feel good to point out inaccurate arrogance. It’s annoying to others and myself.
EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.
Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?
That you would undo the KP deal?
Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.
Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?
You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.
Kristaps Porzingis' Brother Says That Money Will Not Ensure KP Signs An Extension With The Knicks Quickly
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janisNYDN- Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself. And when it comes to Porzingis signing a long-term extension, the Latvian is in no rush and expects to be treated like a superstar. Both those nuggets were revealed by Porzingis’ older brother and agent, Janis, who spoke recently with Latvian website Sportcentrs.
“(Skipping the exit interview) wasn’t an emotional decision,” Janis said, according to a translation from Eurohoops.net. “It wasn’t a spontaneous action. We had been thinking about it for a long time and it was considered an honest, well-thought decision we came up with together. It was a logical next step for us, without which we would’ve been in one situation, but now after we did it – we are in another.”
Kristaps is eligible for a five-year maximum extension this summer, but recently told the Daily News he still needs to see change from the Knicks before a commitment. Janis warned that if the Knicks don’t keep his brother happy he could decide to move elsewhere. “The most important question here is this: What do you really want to achieve in your career?” Janis said. “Because money – if Kristaps performs at least on his normal level, is gonna come. We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points. You can’t escape the reality and the Knicks must also see that. “From their point of view, Kristaps is the focal point at the moment so you cannot upset him much or otherwise, at the end of the season, he will say ‘it’s not so cool here.’ The second question is: Who is the New York audience coming to watch now? To a large extent, it’s Kristaps. So the organization has to take that into account.”Speak your shit Janis! Speak your shit! As if I couldn’t love Janis Porzingis enough for simply sharing a womb and a last name with my favorite basketball player, he goes out and puts in the Knicks dumpster fire on notice. And not only that, he threw a few shots #Me7o’s way as well.
Janis seemed to find it contradictory that Kristaps was labeled unprofessional while Anthony was lauded for the way he handled last season. “It’s interesting how many people who are even somehow involved in all of this, have criticized it afterward as something so unprofessional!! Just look at Melo, how he is handling things,” Janis said. “And I’m thinking, ‘wait a minute.’ In reality, if he for once decided to fight for something, we wouldn’t be in this situation and Kristaps wouldn’t be forced to take all the damage on himself. It wasn’t done for some personal interest or ambitions or dislike for someone, it was for the sake of overall peace. “It should have been a task for the team’s leaders, but Melo and people around him never tried to change anything.”
Swoooooooon. I guess when your brother is the best athlete playing in New York right now and you have the looks of a model, you can say what you want to say. I’ve never seen mink worn so well in my life.
He says they wasn't thinking about the $$$, the knicks thinking plan was saving 10 mill and resigning him after FA started so they could go over the cap if they landed a couple of big fish
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.
Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?
That you would undo the KP deal?
Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.
Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?
You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.
Kristaps Porzingis' Brother Says That Money Will Not Ensure KP Signs An Extension With The Knicks Quickly
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janisNYDN- Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself. And when it comes to Porzingis signing a long-term extension, the Latvian is in no rush and expects to be treated like a superstar. Both those nuggets were revealed by Porzingis’ older brother and agent, Janis, who spoke recently with Latvian website Sportcentrs.
“(Skipping the exit interview) wasn’t an emotional decision,” Janis said, according to a translation from Eurohoops.net. “It wasn’t a spontaneous action. We had been thinking about it for a long time and it was considered an honest, well-thought decision we came up with together. It was a logical next step for us, without which we would’ve been in one situation, but now after we did it – we are in another.”
Kristaps is eligible for a five-year maximum extension this summer, but recently told the Daily News he still needs to see change from the Knicks before a commitment. Janis warned that if the Knicks don’t keep his brother happy he could decide to move elsewhere. “The most important question here is this: What do you really want to achieve in your career?” Janis said. “Because money – if Kristaps performs at least on his normal level, is gonna come. We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points. You can’t escape the reality and the Knicks must also see that. “From their point of view, Kristaps is the focal point at the moment so you cannot upset him much or otherwise, at the end of the season, he will say ‘it’s not so cool here.’ The second question is: Who is the New York audience coming to watch now? To a large extent, it’s Kristaps. So the organization has to take that into account.”Speak your shit Janis! Speak your shit! As if I couldn’t love Janis Porzingis enough for simply sharing a womb and a last name with my favorite basketball player, he goes out and puts in the Knicks dumpster fire on notice. And not only that, he threw a few shots #Me7o’s way as well.
Janis seemed to find it contradictory that Kristaps was labeled unprofessional while Anthony was lauded for the way he handled last season. “It’s interesting how many people who are even somehow involved in all of this, have criticized it afterward as something so unprofessional!! Just look at Melo, how he is handling things,” Janis said. “And I’m thinking, ‘wait a minute.’ In reality, if he for once decided to fight for something, we wouldn’t be in this situation and Kristaps wouldn’t be forced to take all the damage on himself. It wasn’t done for some personal interest or ambitions or dislike for someone, it was for the sake of overall peace. “It should have been a task for the team’s leaders, but Melo and people around him never tried to change anything.”
Swoooooooon. I guess when your brother is the best athlete playing in New York right now and you have the looks of a model, you can say what you want to say. I’ve never seen mink worn so well in my life.He says they wasn't thinking about the $$$, the knicks thinking plan was saving 10 mill and resigning him after FA started so they could go over the cap if they landed a couple of big fish
why would quote fucking Janis
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.
Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?
That you would undo the KP deal?
Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.
Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?
You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.
Kristaps Porzingis' Brother Says That Money Will Not Ensure KP Signs An Extension With The Knicks Quickly
Clem
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11/02/2017 5:12 PM
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janisNYDN- Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself. And when it comes to Porzingis signing a long-term extension, the Latvian is in no rush and expects to be treated like a superstar. Both those nuggets were revealed by Porzingis’ older brother and agent, Janis, who spoke recently with Latvian website Sportcentrs.
“(Skipping the exit interview) wasn’t an emotional decision,” Janis said, according to a translation from Eurohoops.net. “It wasn’t a spontaneous action. We had been thinking about it for a long time and it was considered an honest, well-thought decision we came up with together. It was a logical next step for us, without which we would’ve been in one situation, but now after we did it – we are in another.”
Kristaps is eligible for a five-year maximum extension this summer, but recently told the Daily News he still needs to see change from the Knicks before a commitment. Janis warned that if the Knicks don’t keep his brother happy he could decide to move elsewhere. “The most important question here is this: What do you really want to achieve in your career?” Janis said. “Because money – if Kristaps performs at least on his normal level, is gonna come. We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points. You can’t escape the reality and the Knicks must also see that. “From their point of view, Kristaps is the focal point at the moment so you cannot upset him much or otherwise, at the end of the season, he will say ‘it’s not so cool here.’ The second question is: Who is the New York audience coming to watch now? To a large extent, it’s Kristaps. So the organization has to take that into account.”Speak your shit Janis! Speak your shit! As if I couldn’t love Janis Porzingis enough for simply sharing a womb and a last name with my favorite basketball player, he goes out and puts in the Knicks dumpster fire on notice. And not only that, he threw a few shots #Me7o’s way as well.
Janis seemed to find it contradictory that Kristaps was labeled unprofessional while Anthony was lauded for the way he handled last season. “It’s interesting how many people who are even somehow involved in all of this, have criticized it afterward as something so unprofessional!! Just look at Melo, how he is handling things,” Janis said. “And I’m thinking, ‘wait a minute.’ In reality, if he for once decided to fight for something, we wouldn’t be in this situation and Kristaps wouldn’t be forced to take all the damage on himself. It wasn’t done for some personal interest or ambitions or dislike for someone, it was for the sake of overall peace. “It should have been a task for the team’s leaders, but Melo and people around him never tried to change anything.”
Swoooooooon. I guess when your brother is the best athlete playing in New York right now and you have the looks of a model, you can say what you want to say. I’ve never seen mink worn so well in my life.He says they wasn't thinking about the $$$, the knicks thinking plan was saving 10 mill and resigning him after FA started so they could go over the cap if they landed a couple of big fish
Your quote is a year earlier WHILE his ACL still connected his femur to his tibia and JUST after Horny called him a p***y.
gradyandrew wrote:As far as offseason grades go，you can only play the hand your dealt right? Knicks were able to get Fournier and Kemba from Boston for nothing，while Celtics surrendered a first and 2 second round picks to replace them with Schroeder，Richardson， and Horford. Since it's a zero sum game， weakening a division rival while improving is a solid win.I'm not convinced that Walker is a bigger injury concern than Lowry. Years and mileage add up. Ditto for PJ. Heat look both injury prone and shallow.
Someone has got to explain why the Pelicans were happy to trade players and picks to replace Lonzo Ball with Devonte Graham before I am convinced that he's a game changer. It's a head scratcher， perhaps Pelicans know something we don't. Thad Young seems like a better fit for the Bulls than DeRozan， especially with the picks they gave up.
If you want to give Pistons credit for drafting Cade and BKN credit for resigning KD，fine. Don't forget to congratulate yourself for putting your underwear on before your pants.
The only team I think that really had a better offseason were the Wizards. Over a calendar year they were able to turn the worst contract in NBA history (I don't think it's even close) into a deep and reliable team.
Complaining about trading the Hornets the Kai Jones pick is silly，unless the argument is that they should have drafted Grimes and McBride earlier. That pick was the difference in being able to sign Kemba. OKC had 20 million reasons to cut Kemba when they did.
The Pelicans had a better offseason IMO than let on. For starters, removing Bledsoe is addition by subtraction. Ball's defensive splits with Bledsoe on and off the floor are pretty eye opening. He goes from like 28th best defensive PG to the best PG WHILE taking on the most difficult defensive assignments on the floor.
Second, I am a huge believer in wingspan. Graham and Ball have essentially the same wingspan. I liked Ball - he has the bigger body which is still valuable and has started resembling a 3&D PG though his variance behind arc may support him being closer to the 34% shooter than the 40% we hope from 3&Ds. Graham has shown both a willingness (and necessity) to play offball with LaMelo and Frazier taking up rotation minutes. This skill set makes him a solid player next to Zion should they continue using Zion as a Point Forward. This is the same reason why I liked him for the Knicks with Randle being asked to handle the ball early in the half court set.
Pelicans were never going to commit the dollars to Ball that he got from the Bulls and they were able to fill a number of positions with that same salary. I think they will be actively bidding for the next disgruntled superstar with their handful of picks and other vet players -- looking to find the guy to put next to Zion.
I don't hate the Pel's offseason. It just looks like more of addition by subtraction to me.
knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
I swear, you're just trying to bait Nalod with stuff like this. 
knicks1248 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:LivingLegend wrote:knicks1248 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂
I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and NoelHe's a much better fit with Randle then those guys
Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?
There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.
We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.
One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.
KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..
Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines
No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..
Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.
That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.
Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.
Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.
Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,
Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay
Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.
KP was a spoiled douche. Mark Cuban would put on a pair of sneakers and run from Dallas to New York City to sign a deal to give us back KP tonight in exchange for a conditional 2089 2nd round pick
You can call it immature hate. But it’s true. KP is a bad guy and an extremely overrated player with probably the NBA’s worst contract
gradyandrew wrote:As far as offseason grades go，you can only play the hand your dealt right? Knicks were able to get Fournier and Kemba from Boston for nothing，while Celtics surrendered a first and 2 second round picks to replace them with Schroeder，Richardson， and Horford. Since it's a zero sum game， weakening a division rival while improving is a solid win.I'm not convinced that Walker is a bigger injury concern than Lowry. Years and mileage add up. Ditto for PJ. Heat look both injury prone and shallow.
Someone has got to explain why the Pelicans were happy to trade players and picks to replace Lonzo Ball with Devonte Graham before I am convinced that he's a game changer. It's a head scratcher， perhaps Pelicans know something we don't. Thad Young seems like a better fit for the Bulls than DeRozan， especially with the picks they gave up.
If you want to give Pistons credit for drafting Cade and BKN credit for resigning KD，fine. Don't forget to congratulate yourself for putting your underwear on before your pants.
The only team I think that really had a better offseason were the Wizards. Over a calendar year they were able to turn the worst contract in NBA history (I don't think it's even close) into a deep and reliable team.
Complaining about trading the Hornets the Kai Jones pick is silly，unless the argument is that they should have drafted Grimes and McBride earlier. That pick was the difference in being able to sign Kemba. OKC had 20 million reasons to cut Kemba when they did.
Good stuff. FYI.....as a point of reference Marcus Camby on NBA TV this AM was saying the Nets had the best offseason based on the signing of Patty Mills. He included the Warriors, Bulls and Heat in his top 5. These guys always go with the front runners and big/splash headlines instead of applying any critical thought at all.